Originally posted by The Scenario
The point is not that Samus' shield blocked an arbitrarily "more powerful" drain attack, the fact is that she blocked it at all. There is what amounts to a wall between Samus and the Lich King, and that wall has blocked multiple things that are mystical in nature with very little damage to itself. You're going to have to prove that the Lich King can get past this wall when soul drains, telekineses, telepathy, dimensional attack, magical attack, and ghostly attack have failed to permanently harm it.
The only problem, which brings us both to the same problem, is that while Samus armor has protected her from everything so far, Lich King so far has ignored armor all-together. None of his moves has been restricted by powerful armor, shields against magic or even magic itself.
So while Samus armor has not yet been pierced, Lich King has not yet been hindered by armor. Which makes this argument stalemate, since claiming "Samus armor is stronger" or "Warcraft magic is stronger" is fallacious, because there is no way of proving either.
Originally posted by Cyner
That seems to a rather empty claim considering how I just watched him die in a clip on youtube... maybe omniscient(as far as things on azeroth are concerned) or something but far far from omnipotent, especially considering how he was created by the burning legion and all.
Spoiler:
well actually it was the ghosts that he held in his sword that "killed him" or at least allowed the "heroes" to kill him. and his sword was destroyed so he lost a lot of power.
i say that the lk takes it. especially because its the lich king and not arthas.
Spoiler:and even further the "Lich king" in and of itself, not the title, means ner'zul, who is pretty worthless in a fight by himself, but to my knowledge cannot be killed by mortals like samus....LOL samus just keeps attacking him and eventually gets turned into an undead...that would be epic
the lich king is still alive in lore, and the current lich king was a much better champion than arthas was as a paladin
Yes, it's not like Samus has killed things like the Lich King before. Really, there are being in Metroid that, while not said to be gods, have displayed greater power or range of power greater than some gods in other fiction. Greater than what I've seen the Lich King do, at any rate.
I've already brought him up, but Gorea is a shapeshifting psychic soulstealer that drained several planets and single handedly defeated a race of enlightened psychic creatures with powerful technology. The Emperor Ing, too, has control over the Ing and his own personal dimension. The Ing are basically demons with a Sci-Fi name: able to spiritually posses creatures, objects, and machines, live in a tortuous place that kills all who enter, and tend to rip holes in the fabric of space when they attack. Then there's Dark Samus/Metroid Prime, the ruler of phazon.
I have little doubt Samus can take him down.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Yes, it's not like Samus has killed things like the Lich King before. Really, there are being in Metroid that, while not said to be gods, have displayed greater power or range of power greater than some gods in other fiction. Greater than what I've seen the Lich King do, at any rate.I've already brought him up, but Gorea is a shapeshifting psychic soulstealer that drained several planets and single handedly defeated a race of enlightened psychic creatures with powerful technology. The Emperor Ing, too, has control over the Ing and his own personal dimension. The Ing are basically demons with a Sci-Fi name: able to spiritually posses creatures, objects, and machines, live in a tortuous place that kills all who enter, and tend to rip holes in the fabric of space when they attack. Then there's Dark Samus/Metroid Prime, the ruler of phazon.
I have little doubt Samus can take him down.
Feat listing aren't getting the topic anywhere. If you can come up with a plan or at least what Samus would strategically do in a battle vs Arthas then we can progress from there. But from what's been shown, she'd need gear or a weapon so pure as to be able to shatter Frostmourne in order to really weaken him, neither of which is a granted amenity. Maybe the Light Beam/Suit.
But since Mr. Cyner here didn't add any handicaps to Arthas, also taking into notice the other thread that has LK facing Samus + 4 others...clearly a spite thread, despite your misgivings.
also taking into notice the other thread that has LK facing Samus + 4 others...clearly a spite thread, despite your misgivings.That thread could easily have been misjudged. I could make
Lich King, Sargeras, Ganondorf, and King of All Cosmos v.s. MC, that doesn't mean MC v.s. any of them is a spite thread against them. (Infact, they're all spite against chief.)
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That thread could easily have been misjudged. I could makeLich King, Sargeras, Ganondorf, and King of All Cosmos v.s. MC, that doesn't mean MC v.s. any of them is a spite thread against them. (Infact, they're all spite against chief.)
Don't compare this or the other thread to the absurd example you just used.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It is comparable, because basing estimations on the fact that someone else made a thread which could have been misjudged is illogical.
Nice.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you don't see the obvious hole here?
Originally posted by DarkC
Yeah, that only makes sense if you totally ignore the context in the sentence in which I said it. And the contents of the topics themselves.Nice.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
Has Samus ever shown a feat where she can withstand magic attacks?
Samus has a few strategies she can employ against most enemies, but since I don't really know the Lich King's durability, I guess I can list a few of them.
1. Screw Attack at the speed of sound. Samus is faster than the LK, and the Speed Booster only increases that. The Screw Attack is powerful on its own, as well. Both at once can ruin anyone's day.
2. Simply shoot him. Samus' weaponry operates in the terawatt range. One of them has enough energy in one shot to power the United States for a year. I doubt the LK has ever taken an attack like this. It's 40K level tech.
Actually, that's pretty much it. With all her weapons, Samus has access to the Light Beam/Sunburst (as close to a holy weapon as you're getting), the Annihilator Beam/Sonic Boom (a matter-antimatter weapon), the Omega Cannon (afforementioned Gorea killer), and the Hyper Beam and PED.
Also, what Screampaste means is that just because Samus is part of another battle with the Lich King where she has allies, doesn't mean that she isn't capable of winning alone.
You're separating one quote from me - albeit taken massively out of context - and engineering it for your own needs. We've established that much, thanks.
I didn't take it out of context, I showed your line of reason to be faulty. As for engineering it to my own needs? I haven't backed either character in this thread, so what need did I satisfy by showing that?
You're welcome.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Samus has a few strategies she can employ against most enemies, but since I don't really know the Lich King's durability, I guess I can list a few of them.1. Screw Attack at the speed of sound. Samus is faster than the LK, and the Speed Booster only increases that. The Screw Attack is powerful on its own, as well. Both at once can ruin anyone's day
2. Simply shoot him. Samus' weaponry operates in the terawatt range. One of them has enough energy in one shot to power the United States for a year. I doubt the LK has ever taken an attack like this. It's 40K level tech.
Actually, that's pretty much it. With all her weapons, Samus has access to the Light Beam/Sunburst (as close to a holy weapon as you're getting), the Annihilator Beam/Sonic Boom (a matter-antimatter weapon), the Omega Cannon (afforementioned Gorea killer), and the Hyper Beam and PED.
Yeah, I'll give you that she's like a hundred times faster, and all her attacks are considerably strong. LK is slow as f*ck. However, I suppose that if he weren't as ridiculously strong as he was, he wouldn't need to move fast.
I wouldn't be too sure whether to count Omega Cannon in, considering that it's a one-time usage in one game and primarily for the purpose of killing one boss. But that's my two cents. Whether he can take the attack is an interesting notion.
The allied factions that created Shadowmourne, the axe that was forged to kill Arthas, had to be imbued with shards from the Frozen Throne itself just to be able to pass through its armor. Just one of a few numerous other enchantments it was given, and very powerful ones at that.
To save you looking, the Ashen Verdict had two factions, Argent Crusade (Paladins) and Ebon Knights (deathknights that are rebelling against him) that crafted two weapons that were basically the extent of LK's downfall. Ashbringer from the Crusade was the blade that shattered Frostmourne, and Shadowmourne was the weapon that dealt the killing blow.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Also, what Screampaste means is that just because Samus is part of another battle with the Lich King where she has allies, doesn't mean that she isn't capable of winning alone.
Even if she did somehow win it's still a spite thread, you do realise this, right?
Anyways, Lich King is just one of those VG entities that can't be killed unless by a certain weapon or school of magic or some miracle etc, and I'm sure you've seen plenty of those. If you want to call it a bullshit mechanic and a broken concept for the sake of VS debates, I would completely agree. But it doesn't change the current standings.