Irrelevant. the subway scene, Natchios' death, and organ pipe scene show that extreme noise disorients him.
It was the motorcycle that BE drove that blew up.
I agree on the inconsistency part though. The only thing I can think to offer there is that those noises were of a higher pitch, maybe? Or maybe they produced a bigger shock wave?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Irrelevant. the subway scene, Natchios' death, and organ pipe scene show that extreme noise disorients him.
Yeah, and the opening fight shows it doesn't.
So it's hardly irrelevant, is it? It is, in fact, extremely relevant.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I agree on the inconsistency part though. The only thing I can think to offer there is that those noises were of a higher pitch, maybe? Or maybe they produced a bigger shock wave?
Doubtful. They would have explained it if that were the case. Either way, it's too specific to decide for ourselves. It was a clear inconsistency.
Daredevil's most accurate scene WAS the bar fight. The rest happened to push the plot, not because they're actual weaknesses.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Your points come with the fact that the Daredevil movie is inconsistent.First they show him immune to a roomful of men with shotguns, machine guns and other weaponry. All of that noise does absolutely nothing to him, and combined that's about equal to an explosion.
Then, they let a car blowing up be the source of his disorientation
I'd say that's points to a huge CIS for DD's abilities.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Any disorientation in the movie was used as a plot point, not because that's a weakness he has.
You've got that backwards. In versus fights, CIS or PIS is thrown out. That's supposed to be a weakness. It is a weakness. CIS, literally, be damned.
It's like claiming that a blaster bolt travels at 2 KM a sec. That's obviously not the case, but there are multiple instances of them traveling at kilomters a second.
The "pain" showed by DD and the disorientation is made quite clear, is stylized, and is definitely a weakness. Other items that contradict that is just CIS/PIS.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Examples: Bar fight? Nothing. Loud noises? Yes. Things smashing, shotgun fire, machine gun fire, music (In the bar), men shouting, fans whirring.When did he get disorientated? When the plot called for it; Bullseye fight, Nikolas' death, subway part.
lol
Exactly.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Those aren't legit weaknesses. A train is not more disorientating than lots of men shouting, music blaring, things smashing and assortments of weapon fire from all directions, but they made it out to be.-AC
You've got it. Except, you've got it backwards. You are saying it hurt him when the plot called for it when it's the opposite: it didn't hurt him when they plot called for it.
It's a weakness. It will be used in these MVF debates. Anyone trying to contradict that should be ignored. In other words, if you continue to say that really loud sounds are not a weakness for DD, you should be ignored.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriOK, so here's what we have to go with:Yeah, and the opening fight shows it doesn't.
So it's hardly irrelevant, is it? It is, in fact, extremely relevant.
Doubtful. They would have explained it if that were the case. Either way, it's too specific to decide for ourselves. It was a clear inconsistency.
Daredevil's most accurate scene WAS the bar fight. The rest happened to push the plot, not because they're actual weaknesses.
-AC [/B]
Gun blasts have no effect on DD.
People shouting have no effect on DD.
Speeding subway trains do.
Explosions do.
As stupid as that sounds, we gotta accept it.
Dudemon, here's how this dance is going down.
If you're gonna pick and choose when to ignore me in debates, then why shouldn't YOU be ignored?
Nothing you said countered me, I'm gonna assume nothing you said made sense (See? I can do it too).
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, so here's what we have to go with:Gun blasts have no effect on DD.
People shouting have no effect on DD.
Speeding subway trains do.
Explosions do.As stupid as that sounds, we gotta accept it.
You actually keep ignoring the fact that those things only affected him due to plot point. They're weaknesses, but plot point weaknesses. This is a plot point-less fight.
In a fight, he beats rooms full of men firing guns with masses of noise coming from all direction.
You've just gotta accept that.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI accept that fully. Guys with guns are ****ed against DD.
Dudemon, here's how this dance is going down.If you're gonna pick and choose when to ignore me in debates, then why shouldn't YOU be ignored?
Nothing you said countered me, I'm gonna assume nothing you said made sense (See? I can do it too).
You actually keep ignoring the fact that those things only affected him due to plot point. They're weaknesses, but plot point weaknesses. This is a plot point-less fight.
In a fight, he beats rooms full of men firing guns with masses of noise coming from all direction.
You've just gotta accept that.
-AC
BUT.....What happened when DD is in the vicinity of a small scale explosion? His senses were fried. Gambit's explosions destroy buildings and fling mutants backwards at least 20 feet, do the math.
Gunfire, no problem for DD.
Explosions, big problem for DD.
It is what is shown onscreen.
I'll never ignore you, Sugar heartbeat
Originally posted by Robtard
Na, Gambit goes down due to grapple-hook to the face, followed by one serious physical beat-down by a guy in red leather.
Gambit is quick enough to dodge the "grapple hook to the face" technique. You know, the one DD is never shown using. He then jams his cane into the ground, obliterating everything around him, including DD.
DD might as well try the "Banana in the tailpipe" technique. Wait, Gambit will be ramming his cane up DD's ass, there might not be enough room.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He did use that technique, against Kingpin.Where plot points exist.
This is a plot point-less fight. Why do I have to say things multiple times?
-AC
Originally posted by ImpedimentHowever, let's be clear on the rules of the MVF so we do not have any mishaps and/or clutter:
The MVF Golden Rule:[b]What is seen on screen is canon in these forums. If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal. MOVIE FEATS ONLY!
-Impediment [/B]
DD's senses were fried due to a small explosion. Gambit's explosions will be much larger. It's simple, man. Plot's be damned, it is what we are shown onscreen.
Gambit's power is blowing shit up. He'll use it right away here, why wouldn't he?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Dudemon, here's how this dance is going down.If you're gonna pick and choose when to ignore me in debates, then why shouldn't YOU be ignored?
Nothing you said countered me, I'm gonna assume nothing you said made sense (See? I can do it too).
You actually keep ignoring the fact that those things only affected him due to plot point. They're weaknesses, but plot point weaknesses. This is a plot point-less fight.
In a fight, he beats rooms full of men firing guns with masses of noise coming from all direction.
You've just gotta accept that.
-AC
K. So, you're pretending that I didn't destroy your whole argument. You're also doing a "no you!". Great job.
RJ, ignore the troll.
Don't respond to him when he's trolling the threads. Seriously.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Gambit is quick enough to dodge the "grapple hook to the face" technique. You know, the one DD is never shown using. He then jams his cane into the ground, obliterating everything around him, including DD.DD might as well try the "Banana in the tailpipe" technique. Wait, Gambit will be ramming his cane up DD's ass, there might not be enough room.
I've only watched that shit movie once, but when did Gambit dodge something that was coming at him that had considerable speed behind it?
No, as AC said, he did use his grapple-hook as a ranged weapon. I'm also pretty sure he did it more than once; not just with the King Pin fight. I own the director's cut, which makes the movie considerably better, maybe I'll watch it sometime this week.
Again, DD is faster(bullet-timer and all), so grapple-hook-to-the-face comes before cane-charged-into-the-ground.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Gambit can jam his cane into the ground WAY faster than DD can draw his baton, aim, fire, and wait for the hook to strike Gambit. Any fool can see this, why are you even arguing it?
Because I'm applying movie-feats, DD has a movie full of them that are way more impressive than the few snippets we get to see of Gambit.
This is starting to turn into the 'Bumblebee Vs Sideswipe' thread, where one guy has many feats and the other guy doesn't have much of anything, but yet the argument continues, just cuz.
Edit: Pretty sure it took Gambit a few seconds to charge his staff to proper levels, ergo, grapple-hook top the face, followed by a serious ass-kicking.
Originally posted by Robtard
Because I'm applying movie-feats, DD has a movie full of them that are way more impressive than the few snippets we get to see of Gambit.This is starting to turn into the 'Bumblebee Vs Sideswipe' thread, where one guy has many feats and the other guy doesn't have much of anything, but yet the argument continues, just cuz.
Edit: Pretty sure it took Gambit a few seconds to charge his staff to proper levels, ergo, grapple-hook top the face, followed by a serious ass-kicking.
Here's the grapple hook scene:
http://video.libero.it/app/play?id=13248b8572b4b1c37248ae5254bc8de0
Kingpin avoided it....Hmm........with a cane!!!! haermm You saying that Kingpin is faster than Gambit? Get a grip, man. Gambit'll dodge and hurl an entire deck of fully charged cards at DD. See, the beauty of it is that Gambit doesn't have to hit DD, the cards can strike a wall, or the ground near DD, and DD's senses wil be shot. At that point, Gambit has DD at his mercy, it'll be like fighting Helen Keller.
It's not about the number of feats, it's about Gambit's power, man. DD has nothing to counter it, literally. Gambit is:
Just as fast.
Just as athletic.
Just as agile.
Has H2H skills that enable him to go toe to toe with DD.
Want proof?
Here, YET AGAIN:
At the beginning of the vid, Gambit hurls Logan through a brick wall, that alone would have killed DD.
At 1:18, he jams his cane into the ground, hurling Logan and Creed at least 20-30 feet in either direction, and destroying everything around him, Again, THIS would have killed any normal man, including DD.
Gambit then engages Logan H2H, displaying speed, agility and athleticism that is at least on par with DD.
At 2:03, Gambit climbs the wall with his bisected cane. He literally jams each piece into the wall over and over again, and climbs the wall like Spider Man.
At 2:09, he mounts a balcony, runs UP the wall, and flips 30ish feet ACROSS the alley, landing on a balcony on the other side.
Then, when Logan chops him down, Gambit falls all the way to the alley floor with literally no damage. Not a cut, not a scrape, just a brief "Ow" moment.
See, all you really have is "ZOMG DD will grapple hook his face!!!"
I've pretty much smashed that scenario under my boot heel.
Next?
Originally posted by BruceSkywalkerNo, Bruce. DD's sonar radar sense will be fried. The scene where Natchios was killed is proof of this. His sense was fried by a small motorcycle explosion, Gambit's explosions are much larger. Even if DD dodges, there will be a nearby explosion (much nearer than the bike was to DD and much larger), yeah.....DD will be helpless.
applying movie feats even if gambit charges his cane/throws his deck of cards at DD, DD's "radar sense" will alert him in milliseconds thereby DD avoids what Gambit throws at him and then DD takes out Remy easy
There literally is no argument against this, DDM and I have crushed any thrown our way.....yet they still keep coming.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Here's the grapple hook scene:http://video.libero.it/app/play?id=13248b8572b4b1c37248ae5254bc8de0
Kingpin avoided it....Hmm........with a cane!!!!
Your entire premise fails, as what King Pin can do, isn't what Gambit can do, movie-feats, son.
So I ask you again, is there a scene where Gambit avoids something coming at him with a considerable amount of speed behind it? If not, grapple-hook-to-the-face happens first.
Originally posted by RobtardNo no no, you and AC dragged Kingpin into this, I am entirely justified in saying that Gambit is faster than KP, and that Gambit would avoid the grapple hook attack much easier than KP.
Your entire premise fails, as what King Pin can do, isn't what Gambit can do, movie-feats, son.So I ask you again, is there a scene where Gambit avoids something coming at him with a considerable amount of speed behind it? If not, grapple-hook-to-the-face happens first.
Pretty much the entire scene where he is fighting Logan he displays speed and agility that proves he could avoid/dodge/block something coming at him with a considerable amount of speed behind it.
No counter for this?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Gambit can jam his cane into the ground WAY faster than DD can draw his baton, aim, fire, and wait for the hook to strike Gambit. Any fool can see this, why are you even arguing it?
Thought not.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No no no, you and AC dragged Kingpin into this, I am entirely justified in saying that Gambit is faster than KP, and that Gambit would avoid the grapple hook attack much easier than KP.Pretty much the entire scene where he is fighting Logan he displays speed and agility that proves he could avoid/dodge/block something coming at him with a considerable amount of speed behind it.
So you're going to ignore the movie-feats rule when it suits you and just decide Gambit can do something now, even though it wasn't shown.
Originally posted by Rogue JediNo counter for this?
Thought not.
I did already, Gambit needs to charge for a bit, he'll have a mouth-full of grapple before.