Originally posted by Enyalus
Not current Magneto. 😬And I'd give Classic Mags a slight edge over Doctor Polaris, but Phil and Bats, who're the Magneto experts, say they're about even. So...
Going by feats of fine control and power output I'd place classic magneto a good deal above dr polaris. Current one will die shortly after storm obviously.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Not current Magneto. 😬And I'd give Classic Mags a slight edge over Doctor Polaris, but Phil and Bats, who're the Magneto experts, say they're about even. So...
I agree since current mags is almost next to depowered and I hope that isnt the mags thats in this thread.
Why do you say a slight edge? What feats does Poloris have that puts him anywhere close to Magneto powerwise?
That amp that Doctor Poloris had during the time he fought the JLA in the north pole, magneto was already capable of doing all of that with his normal powerset. 😕
Originally posted by carver9
I agree since current mags is almost next to depowered and I hope that isnt the mags thats in this thread.Why do you say a slight edge? What feats does Poloris have that puts him anywhere close to Magneto powerwise?
That amp that Doctor Poloris had during the time he fought the JLA in the north pole, magneto was already capable of doing all of that with his normal powerset. 😕
Originally posted by Enyalus
Dunno. During that JLA fight, didn't he hit Superman with a billion tons of steel? (From the supertanker or battleship, whatever it was). Pretty heavy duty lifting feat. And then when he was in that female persona (ew?) being able to manipulate Supes' bio field and such. Shows pretty sweet control. So I definitely think Mags is above him. But not by that much.
I agree, he did lift up a submarine but come on now, lets not even name what mags has lifted with his magnetic power and carried into space for all of the mutants of earth to live on.
Lets also not name the ships that he lifted to carry those said mutants to that island that he lifted and carried to space.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree, he did lift up a submarine but come on now, lets not even name what mags has lifted with his magnetic power and carried into space for all of the mutants of earth to live on.Lets also not name the ships that he lifted to carry those said mutants to that island that he lifted and carried to space.
Originally posted by 753
You're going about this the wrong way. They let dead weight storm die, magneto takes out mm like dr polaris did while SNG takes on ww and sm. Once their tp cover is gone SNG mind rapes them (if they're in fighting shape by the time mags finishes mm that is).
WW is immune to TP so that is not going to work on her.
Originally posted by nicamarvin
........... 😆 She is Not Inmune to Nate's TP that is for shure.... 😮💨
No, she's probably immune to that too.
She had grown so resistant to Dr. Psycho that she often no longer noticed what he was trying to project, and that was both before her eyes of Athena upgrade which boosted her resistance even further, and the lasso which itself can stop telepathy.
Diana's one of the mentally hardest to affect people there is.
Originally posted by carver9
Well, doctor poloris has had good showings against Martian Manhunter and Superman on many of occassions by just ripping through the martians blood, and simply taking away Supermans bio force field along with blinding him in like 3 panels and lets not forget, Magneto>>>Doctor Poloris and THATS being generous.
except that:
J'onn is supposed to have complete molecular control of his body, which he does, rendering the Polaris showing PIS.
Clark no longer has a bio aura.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
WW is immune to TP so that is not going to work on her.
SNG is as powerfull a telepath as they come but I'll take your word for it. Guess it's ripping to pieces for her then. How's her electroution resistance these days? I remember her being hurt by it in the past on a few occasions. Magneto most likely can manipulate her tiara and bracelets based on his feats with mjolnir.
Originally posted by -Pr-
except that:J'onn is supposed to have complete molecular control of his body, which he does, rendering the Polaris showing PIS.
Clark no longer has a bio aura.
He does not have complete molecular control of his body, he can only manipulate macromolecule polymeres in his cells. DP was pulling iron atoms from his hemoglobin molecules an MMH powers do'nt reach the level of individual atoms. Even if they did, that would only pin his psionic manipulation of his molecules against DP control over metal in a resisted battle of will and powerr which DP evidently won. There was no PIS.
People use this complete control over his body crap far too loosely. He does not have absolute power over himself. If he did, it would be impossibel to hurt or deform him as no amount of energy would misplace his atoms. All it takes to do it is an external influence greater than his capacity to hold his shit toghether and DP was it in the particular case of iron in his blood.
All characters with control over their own mass, even the ones who can manipulate their subatomic structure like apocalypse and SS, are still vulnerable to superior matter manipulators or other outside forces. Only TOAA and the presence (maybe some other abstracts if you want to be kind to them) have truly absolute power. All other characters have relative degrees of control over their shit.
When was the bioaura explanation retconned? Isn't t still active in conjunction with high densinty?
Originally posted by 753
He does not have complete molecular control of his body, he can only manipulate macromolecule polymeres in his cells. DP was pulling iron atoms from his hemoglobin molecules an MMH powers do'nt reach the level of individual atoms. Even if they did, that would only pin his psionic manipulation of his molecules against DP control over metal in a resisted battle of will and powerr which DP evidently won. There was no PIS.People use this complete control over his body crap far too loosely. He does not have absolute power over himself. If he did, it would be impossibel to hurt or deform him as no amount of energy would misplace his atoms. All it takes to do it is an external influence greater than his capacity to hold his shit toghether and DP was it in the particular case of iron in his blood.
All characters with control over their own mass, even the ones who can manipulate their subatomic structure like apocalypse and SS, are still vulnerable to superior matter manipulators or other outside forces. Only TOAA and the presence (maybe some other abstracts if you want to be kind to them) have truly absolute power. All other characters have relative degrees of control over their shit.
When was the bioaura explanation retconned? Isn't t still active in conjunction with high densinty?
how much proof do you have of that? jonn has stated that he has control of his body down to the molecular level. you can't apply real world science to comics, as PIS will always take precedence over any powers.
it was retconned outside the comics. the superman editor was asked if he still had his bio aura, or if he was just really tough. the editor said the latter. plus, i honestly don't remember the last time it was referenced in an actual comic...
Originally posted by -Pr-
how much proof do you have of that? jonn has stated that he has control of his body down to the molecular level. you can't apply real world science to comics, as PIS will always take precedence over any powers.it was retconned outside the comics. the superman editor was asked if he still had his bio aura, or if he was just really tough. the editor said the latter. plus, i honestly don't remember the last time it was referenced in an actual comic...
I'm just going by what I read when it's said he can organize his macromolecules into tight bundles to match superman's strengh for a while and that that's how he shapeshifts,. I'll try and find a scan. Notice that this is molecular control, but it's not control over individual atoms or subatmoic control. My point remains that it's plausible for external forces of greater strengh than his shapeshifting to affect his body against his will until he can't hold integrity anymore, so it's not necessarily PIS . Pulling the iron in his blood with magnetic fields is not different, in principle, from pulling his arms off with physical strengh. He has a breaking point.
Naturally, people like magneto and dr polaris wouldn't affect the non-metallic materials of his body whith the same ease, they may not be able to rip him apart at all if they go for the non-magnetic tissues.
Btw, Polaris had not only his base power, but was tapping into the Earth's entire magnetic field at the poles, so his normal level might not be a good indication of the kind of power he was outputting that time.
Originally posted by 753
People use this complete control over his body crap far too loosely. He does not have absolute power over himself. If he did, it would be impossibel to hurt or deform him as no amount of energy would misplace his atoms. All it takes to do it is an external influence greater than his capacity to hold his shit toghether and DP was it in the particular case of iron in his blood.All characters with control over their own mass, even the ones who can manipulate their subatomic structure like apocalypse and SS, are still vulnerable to superior matter manipulators or other outside forces.
Yes, good description. Well said.