Originally posted by -Pr-
i honestly disagree. so does the comic at times. i'd honestly like them to clarify it.magneto isn't polaris. stop trying to use one character's feats for another.
i'm not saying it's right. i just think it should be clarified as to whether it's one or the other. in j'onn's solo series he has molecular control, even growing new organs (to enable his own telepathy).
but he can't filter the iron out of his blood while fighting doctor polaris?
it has to be one or the other.
We'll agree to disagree then. But to me, the growing new organs feat, while showing impressive fine control, versatility and creative application of the power along with knowledge of physiology, does not show anything about how much force MM can exert over the iron in his body to retain it, compared to dr polaris' pull on it.
Dr polaris and magneto do have the same powerset though, so it's actually reasonable to extrapolate.
Originally posted by -Pr-
if someone goes intangible you can potentially vibrate your own molecules to their frequency.
Yes, but I think this should only work against people who vibrate in order to phase. Some others do it by shifting their mass to other dimensions like it is sometimes said of shadowcat and mmh, while others like silver surfer presumibaly do it by manipulating matter and SNG is just made of psionic energy and controls the body he made from it. I also think it's dangerous to vibrate like that mid fight agaisnt matter manipulators, IIRC the flash has said it requires a lot of concentration to hold form and not turn into goo like that.
As for the fight, storm really is punching out of her weight class here and there is little to nothing she could do to them. On the other hand SNG is the most powerfull one on the battlefield. I'm not really sure how this would turn out.
Originally posted by 753
We'll agree to disagree then. But to me, the growing new organs feat, while showing impressive fine control, versatility and creative application of the power along with knowledge of physiology, does not show anything about how much force MM can exert over the iron in his body to retain it, compared to dr polaris' pull on it.
that's actually not what i'm suggesting 😛
i'm talking about altering his own physiology. if he can take on the biological aspects of non-martian beings, then i honestly don't see why he couldn't remove the iron from his blood entirely, or use some sort of substitute that magneto/polaris couldn't manipulate.
plus, it's not just one feat i'm looking at. it's a lot of the stuff that (admittedly) was done during his solo run under ostrander (i think it was).
Dr polaris and magneto do have the same powerset though, so it's actually reasonable to extrapolate.
if we were allowed to extrapolate on the forum that way, things would get out of hand very quickly, tbh. there are plenty of people with imilar powersets and levels, but we try to make sure people don't try to grab a feat by one person and go "here, now character x can do it because he's like character y".
Yes, but I think this should only work against people who vibrate in order to phase.
that's actually what i meant. 😛
Originally posted by -Pr-
that's actually not what i'm suggesting 😛i'm talking about altering his own physiology. if he can take on the biological aspects of non-martian beings, then i honestly don't see why he couldn't remove the iron from his blood entirely, or use some sort of substitute that magneto/polaris couldn't manipulate.
plus, it's not just one feat i'm looking at. it's a lot of the stuff that (admittedly) was done during his solo run under ostrander (i think it was).
I see, well that is a good point, but I think he still operates within some inherent green martian physiological constraints, I don't think that all conceivable biological functions or lack thereof are available to him. Hemoglobin is likely necessary for him to function and might be irreplaceble. Even if he could replace it, he would likely need to pull some other substance from the environment and add it's mass to his own.
Originally posted by 753
I see, well that is a good point, but I think he still operates within some inherent green martian physiological constraints, I don't think that all conceivable biological functions or lack thereof are available to him. Hemoglobin is likely necessary for him to function and might be irreplaceble. Even if he could replace it, he would likely need to pull some other substance from the environment and add it's mass to his own.
if it was shown that it was something he couldn't do without, then ok. i'd have no problem with that.