Originally posted by KK the GreatNot at all. Your interpretation is your own and off the mark yet again.
And your interpretation, as per usual, is enormously off the mark.Good, good. It would appear that you have inadvertantly stumbled onto step one of what could very well shape up to be a logical thought process.
Step two is this: If the two characters were ready to continue, why didn't they continue?
Ask yourself that, answer it with the simple answer provided by the comic, and then type your answer here. Once you do that, I'll explain step three.
I already know why they stopped fighting and that's neither here nor there as you just claimed it didn't stop which is one of the worst lies I've ever seen you come up with.
Originally posted by Original SmurphNo, it's you who doesn't get it. Your attempts at humor failed just like your case which isn't similar at all to the Thanos/Odin fight. Please, take time and think about the next joke before it blows right up in your face.
You have an incredible knack for replying with a post that fails to respond to not only the preeminent points within my post, but, typically, any semblance of what I posted at all.I would think it was purposeful if I believed you were capable of the dot connecting required.
Once again, what I was having a good LOL at was your admission that even if your evidence lacked all credibility, you would still hold on to it 'til the bitter end if it supported your case.
What was it you said? Even if a woodland animal authored your evidence, you would still argue for it?
Pretty cut and dry bias there. So glad that you could highlight it yourself.
Originally posted by EnyalusThe problem is most people have a gripe with Thanos being on Odin's level in this issue. They are dramatic in saying Thanos was stomped and it's funny to me because a stomp means you handed someone their ass. Thanos laughed off his first blast and didn't really show any visible damage until Odin pulled out a weapon while Thanos didn't even fight to the best of his abilities or use shielding. At the end of the day it ended in a standoff.
It sort of does. The fight never came to a conclusion via the two combatants. It was stopped by Warlock, against Thanos' wishes. And regardless of what some people say, Thanos didn't do that poorly. He tanked two blasts that one-shot SS, and was caught off guard with the first Gungir blast. When he was prepared for it, he waded right through it.If you take into account the fact that Thanos didn't bother using his shielding or advanced energy manipulation, and the fact that he's had one upgrade, possibly two since then...it's not difficult to believe they'd be about equal in power now.
...Until Thanos comes back in a few weeks and Abnett and Lanning make me eat that statement. 😬
Originally posted by KK the GreatI never stated this. I simply stated the bio goes along wit my beliefs not yours. I also don't even need the bio as I know what happened in the issue in question.
Found it.http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg202/booie2008/All-New_OHOTMU_A-Z_11_31-1.jpg
In regards to a bio that boils entire storylines down to a couple of sentences to cover the entire history of Thanos, it is quanchi's belief that the writer analyzed every single issue to the same degree that we might while debating it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Are you serious? Are you suggesting Odin was just farting around? Do you also ignore Odin's comments directed at Thanos at the end of their fight?
For upping his blasts one level. To teach a lesson, like he tried with Thor and Thanos. But not to a level that is required for when he fights Surtur, the Enchanters, or amped Seth for his life and for Asgard where going all-out is required.
Originally posted by KK the GreatWhat was made up?
And for the record, the head writer for the new handbooks is Jeff Christiansen, the veterinarian who started http://www.marvunapp.com as a hobby.And Marvel's website comes right out an says that the writers of the individual entries are sometimes allowed to just make things up themselves.
So it isn't incredibly difficult to see why I could NOT care less about comic interpretations from handbook bios.
Originally posted by Silent MasterHey, it's that se guy.
Does Quan really qualify as a person?
Originally posted by Omega VisionPlease don' tyou dare compare Odin's list of accomplishments to Thanos. He fails short in every way and is less powerful to boot pre death anyways.
Just as Thanos is doomed to love Death and gain (and lose) omnipotence more times than you'd think possible. Its funny how often Thanos has delusions of free will considering how often he's manipulated by higher powers and his own subconscious desires.
Originally posted by KK the GreatYes, it does.
Omega Vision had it right. Standoff implies that a conflict reaches a point where the combatants either cannot hope to defeat one another or it is not advantageous for either to continue. It's a tie, basically.A third party putting a stop to the fight is not a standoff, quanchi's inane "the characters were both standing" definition of the term notwithstanding.
And you're right that standstill isn't quite identical. Where standoff inherently implies an impasse, standstill can basically just mean that the conflict stops without reaching a definitive conclusion for any reason.
Put it this way: Cars in dead stop traffic are at a standstill, while two cars facing one another and refusing to move are in a standoff.
In other words, the comic doesn't end in a standoff, and the bio does not support such an interpretation.
You can disagree all you want but the fight ended in a standoff.
Originally posted by Original SmurphNo, I am correct yet again. You can apply words such as stalemate/standoff/standstill to how this fight ended.
My stellar MacbookPro informs me:standoff |ˈstandˌôf; -ˌäf|
noun
a stalemate or deadlock between two equally matched opponents in a dispute or conflict : the 16-day-old standoff was no closer to being resolved.standstill |ˈstan(d)ˌstil|
noun [in sing. ]
a situation or condition in which there is no movement or activity at all : the traffic came to a standstill.So, yeah, as has been said previously, the former implies 'equally matched opponents', whereas the latter implies nothing more than a lack of movement.
Quan fails again.
Originally posted by KK the GreatIf you call what actually occurred in the book as a security blanket why would I abandon my point?
The sad part is that he's guaranteed to stick by his "standoff" position to the bitter end, just because it has become his security blanket in this debate. There is zero chance that the thoughtful explanations we've provided will cause any positive change in the poor kid. He simply isn't interested in bettering himself through education.
Originally posted by carver9That has yet to be proven even when Thanos was weaker.
Odin>>>>>>Thanos.But Thanos does have some amazing durability so he might received an upgrade that makes him stand up even LONGER against an Odin that is crushing him.
^ Stop relying on this myth of a Thanos power upgrade post-Marvel: The End. "Life-assuring wishes" (that didn't end up assuring his life) =/= power upgrade.
Originally posted by quanchi112I am serious, based on everytime I've seen Gungnir used. He's never used it in a fight that required his fullest power. Not once. I am suggesting Thanos got stomped because Odin wasn't going all-out and in spite of Thanos' best effort, he was still chewing on rubble. I embrace Odin's comments as indicative that he underestimated Thanos' obstinancy and refusal to concede despite being overwhelmed.
Are you serious? Are you suggesting Odin was just farting around? Do you also ignore Odin's comments directed at Thanos at the end of their fight?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Are you suggesting Odin's durability is greater than a well nourished Galactus' durability?
^ Stop relying on this myth of a Thanos power upgrade post-Marvel: The End. "Life-assuring wishes" (that didn't end up assuring his life) =/= power upgrade. I am serious, based on everytime I've seen Gungnir used. He's never used it in a fight that required his fullest power. Not once. I am suggesting Thanos got stomped because Odin wasn't going all-out and in spite of Thanos' best effort, he was still chewing on rubble. I embrace Odin's comments as indicative that he underestimated Thanos' obstinancy and refusal to concede despite being overwhelmed.
What basis do you have for him to hold back considering the circumstances of the issue?
You ignore Odin's comments and treat it like it wasn't the compliment it was. Asgardians respect warriors and great battles and Thanos was giving him one.
Originally posted by quanchi112Excellent demonstration of an ad hominem fallacy, Quan. Unfortunately you can misdirect about as well as you can debate, which is why I'm still all too aware that you have yet to respond to anything that I said regarding the blatant bias that you highlighted of your own accord.
No, it's you who doesn't get it. Your attempts at humor failed just like your case which isn't similar at all to the Thanos/Odin fight. Please, take time and think about the next joke before it blows right up in your face.
Feel free to try again. I'm bored enough that I can wait for a reply that actually addresses what I said, rather than just aimless attacks.
Originally posted by Original SmurphStandstill means a deadlock. I mean it's almost pointless of you to go on at this point. This fight ended in a standstill/standoff pick whatever word you want to use.
Excellent demonstration of an ad hominem fallacy, Quan. Unfortunately you can misdirect about as well as you can debate, which is why I'm still all too aware that you have yet to respond to anything that I said regarding the blatant bias that you highlighted of your own accord.Feel free to try again. I'm bored enough that I can wait for a reply that actually addresses what I said, rather than just aimless attacks.
Originally posted by quanchi112I am suggesting an Odin who is expecting an attack from Thanos would weather it better than a Galactus who was completely sucker-punched, e.g., I've been unexpectedly kicked in the shins by a petulant child and stepped backwards, but I've also sparred with kickboxers who've kicked me in the shins and not flinched in the slightest. I don't remember Galactus being "well-nourished." He didn't use the Infinity Gems or the detonated star to power himself before Thanos sucker-punched him.
Are you suggesting Odin's durability is greater than a well nourished Galactus' durability?What basis do you have for him to hold back considering the circumstances of the issue?
You ignore Odin's comments and treat it like it wasn't the compliment it was. Asgardians respect warriors and great battles and Thanos was giving him one.
Odin held back because when he goes all-out, it's a lot different, e.g., growing massive, him being exhausted, him dying, him requiring Odin-sleep afterwards, etc. None of Odin's epic battles have him using Gungnir. None.
It was a backhanded compliment and about as much "adulation" as, "Wow, you make a great punching bag."
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Stop relying on this myth of a Thanos power upgrade post-Marvel: The End. "Life-assuring wishes" (that didn't end up assuring his life) =/= power upgrade. I am serious, based on everytime I've seen Gungnir used. He's never used it in a fight that required his fullest power. Not once. I am suggesting Thanos got stomped because Odin wasn't going all-out and in spite of Thanos' best effort, he was still chewing on rubble. I embrace Odin's comments as indicative that he underestimated Thanos' obstinancy and refusal to concede despite being overwhelmed.
Still waiting for any proof that Thanos was going all out and that gungnir equals him going up one level. I will await proof of both. As has been pointed out... Odin wasn't going all out and neither was Thanos.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0How was Galactus completely suckerpunched? You go from one off statement to the next.
I am suggesting an Odin who is expecting an attack from Thanos would weather it better than a Galactus who was completely sucker-punched, e.g., I've been unexpectedly kicked in the shins by a petulant child and stepped backwards, but I've also sparred with kickboxers who've kicked me in the shins and not flinched in the slightest. I don't remember Galactus being "well-nourished." He didn't use the Infinity Gems or the detonated star to power himself before Thanos sucker-punched him.Odin held back because when he goes all-out, it's a lot different, e.g., growing massive, him being exhausted, him dying, him requiring Odin-sleep afterwards, etc. None of Odin's epic battles have him using Gungnir. None.
It was a backhanded compliment and about as much "adulation" as, "Wow, you make a great punching bag."
Of course you don't remember Thanos stating this when they were in the astral plane conversing. Odin doesn't get massively huge every time just like Thor doesn't godblast every time he goes all out.
Why would he pull out a meaningless weapon then? Do you think the writer was making the point gungir mattered or was the writer just having Odin fart around taking his time to rescue his son.
You claim to be a Thor expert so I find this statement another complete lie/misrepresentation.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIt's funny because someone like odg would claim Odin isn't but at the same time when we look at why Thanos is there in the first place you'd have to be a fool to assume he is trying to kill Odin. Odin sees him show up with his son in chains and suddenly Thanos is going all out while Odin isn't. Odg goes against what was in the comic and forms his own opinions.
Still waiting for any proof that Thanos was going all out and that gungnir equals him going up one level. I will await proof of both. As has been pointed out... Odin wasn't going all out and neither was Thanos.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThanos' limits were being tested, which requires him going all-out. Add that to the fact that Thanos' ego wouldn't permit him to be smacked around and lectured if he could simply up his game and better match-up against Odin, especially in a fight completely couched in "who is superior." It's common-sense Gungnir amplifies Odin's attacks to some degree, otherwise there's no point in bringing it out. It's also evident because the fight was escalating, not being scaling backwards.
Still waiting for any proof that Thanos was going all out and that gungnir equals him going up one level. I will await proof of both. As has been pointed out... Odin wasn't going all out and neither was Thanos.
Originally posted by quanchi112Because Galactus was not expecting an attack. At all.
How was Galactus completely suckerpunched? You go from one off statement to the next.Of course you don't remember Thanos stating this when they were in the astral plane conversing. Odin doesn't get massively huge every time just like Thor doesn't godblast every time he goes all out.
Why would he pull out a meaningless weapon then? Do you think the writer was making the point gungir mattered or was the writer just having Odin fart around taking his time to rescue his son.
You claim to be a Thor expert so I find this statement another complete lie/misrepresentation.
I don't recall either Thanos claiming or Galactus stating that he was "well-nourished." Don't straw-man me about Odin's all-out battles. Him getting massive has happened in more than half of his most epic fights. Other things happen in his other epic fights, none of which occurred in his beatdown of Thanos. And Gungnir is decidedly not one of them.
It's not meaningless. It focuses/amplifies his attacks. The fight did escalate at that point, overwhelmingly in Odin's favor. But it's not Odin going all-out or even close. Because Odin's used Gungnir on Thor, Tyr, some unlucky joe-schmoe frost giant... and really nobody else I can recall off the top of my head.
I don't know what statement you're referring to here. But I do know more about Thor, Odin and Gungnir than you.
