If Superman is 100% in Speed, Rate these Characters

Originally posted by Enyalus
^ This is where I've got a bit of a problem with the post. Less than 1% of Flash's combat speed, sure thing. No problem. Less than 1% of Superman's combat speed?

😐 I cannot in good conscience agree.

That should be less than 10%. Typo on my part.

Originally posted by h1a8
Flash is fastest 150%-unknown
Superman is next 100%
WW 90%
Silver Surfer=GL 85%
BA=MM 75%
Sentry 20-40%
Thor less than 1%
Thanos less than 1%
Hulk less than 1%

i agree with most of this but im putting ba up there at 90% with wunner woman.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
That should be less than 10%. Typo on my part.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Kal-El kneels the fastest.

like him on his knees, do ya?

Originally posted by -Pr-
i hate percentages, so i'm just going to put them in order:

Flash (Wally)
Superman
Wonder Woman
Black Adam
Martian Manhunter
Thor
Silver Surfer
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Sentry
Hulk

Thanos i have no idea, so left him out.

good list except of the Sentry

I like where the post of Flash's 2000 punches in a second has him being just a little above Superman when pretty much every Superman 'blitz' scenario has him throwing like 10-20 punches a second judging by art (since we can't exactly go by statements).

artwise it would be difficult to show it in any different way

Originally posted by Warlord
artwise it would be difficult to show it in any different way

Althought they could just have a statement about anything Supes does in speed for a change...

Agree...it's hard to judge superspeed just buy the "blurs" in a pannel...
I also find it ridiculous that every blur = lightspeed for some people or at the same time a superhuman reaction gets dismissed due to not being drawn that way

Originally posted by Warlord
Agree...it's hard to judge superspeed just buy the "blurs" in a pannel...
I also find it ridiculous that every blur = lightspeed for some people or at the same time a superhuman reaction gets dismissed due to not being drawn that way

Originally posted by Blanket
That's why I like things explained in comics when you're going to argue about it. Even though I know that's not what comics are about, most comics devolve into internet fodder for feats, as a result of so many 'vs sections' on the internet.

i figured it's a nice way to kill some time but sometimes it ends up silly.
people can't actually accept the fact that artists and writers do not take in account all the crazy details readers think when they read a comic...for example...Taskmaster hits thor - thor bleeds - forum paranoia - the artits intention must have been to show Thor is weak and not to build a dynamic sceen for Tasky...anyway....

Originally posted by Blanket
Artwise is what people use to say he blitz's everyone.
'He move arm fast, other guy lose.'

Althought they could just have a statement about anything Supes does in speed for a change...

There are moments where the pictures do the talking, do we really need someone telling us how fast he's moving, every time he moves relatively fast? If opponent x is getting owned, that's what's happening.

That's where comics earn their props, diagrammatic representation.

I agree its hard to tell just by the art, but if you really care for a sense of the character, I believe the films, TV and cartoon should give you some idea. Afterall, Marvel/DC has to give their nod to how the characters are depicted.

Take Superman for example, whether its the cartoons, Smallville, or films, he has always shown considerable superspeed. Look at his strength feats in Superman Returns, they also give a good idea.

Now compare that to Hulk, look at what his strength/speed levels are depicted as in every other media (Hulk films, Hulk vs Wolverine etc), he's not in the same class as Superman. Superman lifts continents. Hulk lifts Tanks and he makes it look like its a big deal.

Yes I slipped into an anti-Hulk discussion again =/

Originally posted by Warlord
i figured it's a nice way to kill some time but sometimes it ends up silly.
people can't actually accept the fact that artists and writers do not take in account all the crazy details readers think when they read a comic...for example...Taskmaster hits thor - thor bleeds - forum paranoia - the artits intention must have been to show Thor is weak and not to build a dynamic sceen for Tasky...anyway....

Originally posted by Allankles
There are moments where the pictures do the talking, do we really need someone telling us how fast he's moving, every time he moves relatively fast? If opponent x is getting owned, that's what's happening.

That's where comics earn their props, diagrammatic representation.

Originally posted by Blanket
K.
Superman can throw 10-20 punches in a second.

😆

Originally posted by Enyalus
Ah. We're still cool, then. 😉

Whew. I couldn't sleep last night! 😄

Originally posted by Blanket
K.
Superman can throw 10-20 punches in a second.

😂 Do we really want to speculate how many punches he can throw in a sec? A human can get off 2 to 3 punches a second, Supes should be able to top that, no?

Originally posted by Placidity
I agree with almost everything you said. For the record, I believe SS would beat SM in a fight, but thats not exactly what this thread is about.

The only thing I wouldn't totally agree with is what you said about non-straight line travel and navigation equating to comparable combat speed (this should serve as a reply to Enyalus' last post to me too I think). I said the same thing earlier, but I specifically mentioned running speed, because it involves movement of the limbs used in H2H combat. Now in SS's case, his non-linear travel speed doesn't demonstrate his ability to move his limbs quickly, since he is only directing his motion through his mind to his board.

Also good point making the distinction between H2H speed and Combat speed. But also I feel it should be noted that if one lacks H2H speed, they lack the prerequisite for having combat speed.

The one point I desagree with you is that I dont think h2h speed is a prerequisite for combat speed, because combat isn't limited to h2h, people can still do damge to the opponent while avoiding damage (do combat) at superspeed without resorting to h2h or even getting close to an enemy. For instance, you said, correctly so, that the flash running and dodging really fast proves he has h2h superspeed because it requires he moves his limbs really fast and involves agility and coordenation, while the SS controls a board mentally. But seen as SS powers are thought activated and do not require fine coordenation of limb movement and agility at high speeds (although he might have them) he can still fight at superspeeds by dodging with the board (or phasing, teleporting, etc) and blasting, transmuting, etc. All that matter is that he can react, think and tap into his own powers in time to keep up and counter superfast enemies (combat speed), not that he can't go toe to toe with them at a superfast brawl (h2h speed).

Originally posted by h1a8
Flash is fastest 150%-unknown
Superman is next 100%
WW 90%
Silver Surfer=GL 85%
BA=MM 75%
Sentry 20-40%
Thor less than 1%
Thanos less than 1%
Hulk less than 1%

Thor is actually pretty quick... He is capable of moving at speeds faster than the human eyes can see, not exactly the flash but hell, it's faster than Hulk 😄

Wally
Superman
Wonder Woman
Black Adam
Martian Manhunter
Sentry
Silver Surfer
Thor
Thanos
Green Lantern (Hal)
Hulk

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Silver Surfer - 500%
Thor - 500% (due to BRB's fight with Surfer)
Thanos - 110%
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) - 120%

Just guesses