Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And what do you mean by using his speed? Because his sure as hell is not doing something like encircling Thor and putting him down with one punch to the back of the head, while Thor is helpless.If by use his speed you mean when they're fighting, he'd punch Thor fast, then yes, that I agree with. Even Thor would be doing that.
He never used his speed in that arc in that state for it enough to be a game ending assert, or matter, not in the way you think it does anyways.
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Superman beats him down with amped stats.
I know that you want to hold on to where I stated, apparently, that Superman runs circles around Thor and blitzes him, even after I explained myself. That's cool.
Your attempt to put Superman under herochat and try to bring him down to a Thor that's just stronger and have them stand on a line and punch each other is ridiculous. Superman before dipping got done doing all stuff he is know for doing in OWAW. Then he went and got amped. So if I wanted to say he does more than just punch Thor really fast and really hard I could, but its not necessary.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI agree Spire tries at every turn to downplay Thor in favor of Superman. His Superman exists only in his mind.
I don't see "Spire's" Sun dipped Superman in the thread title so I doubt that will happen at the very least for the majority of the time.So they start out .5 kilometers away from each other and in each others line of site, and you claiming that the battle would consist of Superman circling around punching Thor in the back of the head at super speed, was not you claiming he would blitz him?
Originally posted by spinetchReflexes. Thor has the reflexes to definitely deal with Superman and to say otherwise is to ignore Thor's history and Superman's.
no one said that thor is slow but he is not in sups league when it comes down to speed and superman is able to speedblitz him due to that fact just as flash is able to speedblitz superman dont get all emotional because thor is inferior in that category and if you think thor can match superman in speed then YOU ARE nothing but a low fanboy
Originally posted by SpireWho says Thor can't hit him back? Really? To suggest Superman dances all over Thor here is a desperate ploy of yours which isn't backed by the comics and Thor at his best since you want to use Superman at his best.
Superman will use speed in this fight and beat Thor down.That's basically the short version.
If you want to believe that Superman can't use speed(or enough to matter, thereby invoking the herochat rule) and that they walk up to each other stand on a line a take turns punching each other... go ahead. I'll just laugh.
Originally posted by Spire
😆Superman beats him down with amped stats.
I know that you want to hold on to where I stated, apparently, that Superman runs circles around Thor and blitzes him, even after I explained myself. That's cool.
Your attempt to put Superman under herochat and try to bring him down to a Thor that's just stronger and have them stand on a line and punch each other is ridiculous. Superman before dipping got done doing all stuff he is know for doing in OWAW. Then he went and got amped. So if I wanted to say he does more than just punch Thor really fast and really hard I could, but its not necessary.
You said what you said. Backtracking doesn't erase the post. The entire pointless discussion started with you not being satisfied that I said Thor loses for some apparent reason and seemingly tried to push your opinion that it's some kind of beatdown in Superman's favor on to me, going on to say that Superman ends the fight with one punch to the back of Thor's head at super speed before Thor could apparently do anything, which is in itself ridiculous.
No I am simply going under the assumption that C.I.S is still in play. Superman can punch really hard and really fast. Okay. That's acceptable, but speed is far from a game ending factor, and this ending up in a slug fest is more than likely. Superman used his speed in Our Worlds at War more prominently than he has almost anywhere else, it's one of the reasons why it's such a famous showing for Superman, but even in that mindset, once he Sun dipped, he simply plowed through everything. Maybe it's because he didn't have to do anything else but that, or maybe his mindset changed. Whatever the case, this points to it being a slug fest.
If you think Superman is ending this with a blitz, then I'm going to stand by Thor ending this with energy absorption. I mean since we are assuming the characters are doing shit they would clearly not normally do in these mindsets.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You said what you said. Backtracking doesn't erase the post. The entire pointless discussion started with you not being satisfied that I said Thor loses for some apparent reason and seemingly tried to push your opinion that it's some kind of beatdown in Superman's favor on to me, going on to say that Superman ends the fight with one punch to the back of Thor's head at super speed before Thor could apparently do anything, which is in itself ridiculous.
Again, Superman being much faster that Thor already, and now with an amp even more so, simply flies around Thor and punches him in the back of the head is a far, far, far, cry from a Superman blitz where he is dancing all around Thor simultaneously: vibrating invisable, leaving after-images, punching and using knife hand strikes and nerves strikes all over, speedspinning through his torso, using HV all over, using freeze breath on his arms/legs/body...
So again, if you want to keep talking about this and bringing it up even after I have explained to you what I meant, go for it. I have no problem saying Superman blitzes Thor and kills him seeing as how if any Superman was going to blitz and pull out all the stops, it would most likly be OWAW Superman.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No I am simply going under the assumption that C.I.S is still in play. Superman can punch really hard and really fast. Okay. That's acceptable, but speed is far from a game ending factor, and this ending up in a slug fest is more than likely. Superman used his speed in Our Worlds at War more prominently than he has almost anywhere else, it's one of the reasons why it's such a famous showing for Superman, but even in that mindset, once he Sun dipped, he simply plowed through everything. Maybe it's because he didn't have to do anything else but that, or maybe his mindset changed. Whatever the case, this points to it being a slug fest.
It's still Superman, he just went and amped to solve a problem.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If you think Superman is ending this with a blitz, then I'm going to stand by Thor ending this with energy absorption. I mean since we are assuming the characters are doing shit they would clearly not normally do in these mindsets.
Lol... character's'... mindset's'...
Originally posted by SpireHow often did Superman speedblitz in this state?
Again, Superman being much faster that Thor already, and now with an amp even more so, simply flies around Thor and punches him in the back of the head is a far, far, far, cry from a Superman blitz where he is dancing all around Thor simultaneously: vibrating invisable, leaving after-images, punching and using knife hand strikes and nerves strikes all over, speedspinning through his torso, using HV all over, using freeze breath on his arms/legs/body...So again, if you want to keep talking about this and bringing it up even after I have explained to you what I meant, go for it. I have no problem saying Superman blitzes Thor and kills him seeing as how if any Superman was going to blitz and pull out all the stops, it would most likly be OWAW Superman.
It's still Superman, he just went and amped to solve a problem.
Lol... character'[b]s
'... mindset's'... [/B]
Originally posted by Spire
Again, Superman being much faster that Thor already, and now with an amp even more so, simply flies around Thor and punches him in the back of the head is a far, far, far, cry from a Superman blitz where he is dancing all around Thor simultaneously: vibrating invisable, leaving after-images, punching and using knife hand strikes and nerves strikes all over, speedspinning through his torso, using HV all over, using freeze breath on his arms/legs/body...
Thor's reflexes were something Thor could use to handle Superman's speed. Along with tactics such as omnidirectional blasts. Even with an amp, which wouldn't be that great, the way you put it, it definitely sounded like a blitz.
A blitz does not mean a character with superior super speed uses all of his tricks. I don't know why you think that is the case.
*Insert previous Flash example mentioned*
Originally posted by Spire
So again, if you want to keep talking about this and bringing it up even after I have explained to you what I meant, go for it. I have no problem saying Superman blitzes Thor and kills him seeing as how if any Superman was going to blitz and pull out all the stops, it would most likly be OWAW Superman.
Nah, I'm getting bored now after 4 pages.
And like I said before, if Our Worlds at War Superman, someone who was so prone to using super speed, became nothing more than a flying brick after the dip, it's rather likely that he'd fly in fists flying here as well.
Originally posted by Spire
It's still Superman, he just went and amped to solve a problem.
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Originally posted by Spire
Lol... character'[b]s'... mindset's'... [/B]
So you're the grammar police now?
You're boring me now Spire. I had to physically will myself to find the energy to type this, and even then, I didn't really put effort into it. I think I'll stop soon. We've been going in circles.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's reflexes were something Thor could use to handle Superman's speed. Along with tactics such as omnidirectional blasts. Even with an amp, which wouldn't be that great, the way you put it, it definitely sounded like a blitz.A blitz does not mean a character with superior super speed uses all of his tricks. I don't know why you think that is the case.
*Insert previous Flash example mentioned*
Nah, I'm getting bored now after 4 pages.
And like I said before, if Our Worlds at War Superman, someone who was so prone to using super speed, became nothing more than a flying brick after the dip, it's rather likely that he'd fly in fists flying here as well.
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So you're the grammar police now?
You're boring me now Spire. I had to physically will myself to find the energy to type this, and even then, I didn't really put effort into it. I think I'll stop soon. We've been going in circles.
That's fine, I won't respond to this anymore as well.
I mean, really, no point in replying to someone who thinks Thor can handle an amped Superman's speed, and then goes on to mention it wasn't that great of an amp anyways.
Well, that and the fact I don't have the time or the energy either.
Originally posted by Spire
That's fine, I won't respond to this anymore as well.I mean, really, no point in replying to someone who thinks Thor can handle an amped Superman's speed, and then goes on to mention it wasn't that great of an amp anyways.
Well, that and the fact I don't have the time or the energy either.
I was referring to a pre-blitz Superman and a pre-madness Thor.
And no the amp shouldn't have been too great, but we really have no way of knowing how much he was amped as all he did was use his speed for travel really.
Cool.
Good night. I'm going to bed.
I'll keep you in my prayers. 😍