Originally posted by Spire
You mean IF Thor is at this 10x strength right?
Originally posted by Spire
Hmm, also... maybe I should get H1N1 to do some math on each of Thor WM showings.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeBased on?
Pretty accurate. OWAW state of mind Superman would be more then an challange, Sundipped it's not even worth debating.
What did he do which proves he can easily beat Thor at ten times his normal strength levels?
Originally posted by paisapowerBased on?
Superman sleeps through the whole thing. As he slumbers he turns andinadverdantly turns making contact with thors chin knocking him out.
Winner REM Superman.
Originally posted by Enyalus
No, I'm going by the HIM showing and what he showed in B&T prior to receiving the Power Gem. He was badly mauling BRB, Surfer, Warlock and Drax.
Right, I remember now when Thor 1-shot HIM.
And B&T Thor... aside from it being completely retarded to even bring up seeing as how it wasn't 'true warriors madness' - if you are 'going by' that showing as evidence as 10x strength, I guess that effectively puts base Thor at around 20 -25 tons at best.
It makes sense, because well, seeing as how we are on the topic of numbers and scans from decades ago, Thor at half strength couldn't lift a tractor.
Originally posted by Enyalus
All WM Thor did was punch people really hard...And one-shot a planet/planetoid (artist depiction kind of sucked). But even regular, Classic Thor has lifted/overcome the weight of half the planet before (against Kang and his gravity weapon). Whatever amp he had in his Warrior Madness showings, he would not be outclassed by a sundipped Superman strengthwise. And IF we use Thor at 10x his classic strength, then Thor's got him beat in that department clearly.
Proof he has him 'beat clearly' in that department?
Originally posted by Spire
Right, I remember now when Thor 1-shot HIM.And B&T Thor... aside from it being completely retarded to even bring up seeing as how it wasn't 'true warriors madness' - if you are 'going by' that showing as evidence as 10x strength
Originally posted by Spire
, I guess that effectively puts base Thor at around 20 -25 tons at best.
Originally posted by Spire
Proof he has him 'beat clearly' in that department?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
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Hmm, I can't even say something against this, it's true.
Enyalus, Warworld was powered by the energies of Imperiex, the energies of Entropy itself. It's engines couldn't counter Superman's strength. The Entropy Aegis which is arguably more powerful then OWAW Superman wasn't capable of affecting the tendrils, John even stated that they haven grown a hundred times more powerful. Superman however in his Sundipped statet did what John wasn't capable of doing and even more.
In this state there was nothing that affected him, he was portrayed like a supreme being, beyond the limitations of "normal" heroes. Maybe Loeb wanted to give us his interpretation of Superman Prime (golden) he did create an unsoppable force in the process. At least in his only appearance he wasn't even remotely challanged by anyone, not even Brainiac with Imperiex's energies and Warworld at his command (body).
This is IMO more impressive then say Sentry defeating MM or ripping Ares apart and I think that, if this feat would have been done by another hero, say Thor, Silver Surfer or even Martian Manhunter most people would give it the credit it deserves or even overhype it (if Sentry would have done it).
The only argument that speaks against Sundipped Superman, that I would consider valid, is the fact that the Story was written by Loeb, rendering it invalid. Though entertaining, it seemed overpowered, like a lot of things Loeb writes.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Hmm, I can't even say something against this, it's true.Enyalus, Warworld was powered by the energies of Imperiex, the energies of Entropy itself. It's engines couldn't counter Superman's strength.
I'm going to agree that OWAW Superman is a good fight against WM Thor. Whoever said that. But sundipped OWAW Superman's mentality seemed...off. And since CIS is on, I think that just like WM hinders what Thor can do, that sundip would hinder what Superman does as well.
Originally posted by EnyalusI'm not. Because as Rage pointed out before in a separate thread, the 10x strength thing was first mentioned in 1996 (Thor #502).
I don't know where you're getting that from, because it doesn't even make sense.
Sure. You're apparently all over Superman's dick about him moving Warworld while amped which weighed about half of the Earth. Thor's done that in his classic incarnation. Apply 10x strength warrior madness, and you get (gasp!) ten times that much strength. [/B]
...plus the counter measures pushing against him.
(Gasp!) Cool, I got that 10x Thor. 👆
However, to have someone 'clearly beat' you need to know how strong the other person is and by how much they are 'clearly beaten'.
So, again:
Proof?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Except that for 1) there's zero proof that Warworld's engines could handle using all or even most of Imperiex's power so he wasn't pushing against all of Imperiex's power, just a portion of it. 2) That portion was obviously pretty minute, because Imperiex's power is still great enough to form a second Big Bang with the remainder of the power after Superman pushes him through the Boom-Tube.I'm going to agree that OWAW Superman is a good fight against WM Thor. Whoever said that. But sundipped OWAW Superman's mentality seemed...off. And since CIS is on, I think that just like WM hinders what Thor can do, that sundip would hinder what Superman does as well.
1.) How much power did imperiex had in your opinion?
2.) It's imperiex. Some might put him on Galactus level, or a stronger Celestial. 😬
Sundipped Superman, after getting mentally attuned to the power was more effective then before. I doesn't hinder him, on the contrary IMO.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
1.) How much power did imperiex had in your opinion?
2.) It's imperiex. Some might put him on Galactus level, or a stronger Celestial. 😬Sundipped Superman, after getting mentally attuned to the power was more effective then before. I doesn't hinder him, on the contrary IMO.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the 'more effective' part, because in my opinion he was almost too focus...very single minded. Less effective. But to each his own interpretation.
Originally posted by SpireBlood and thunder shows us what Thor is capable of when at normal levels when he isn't holding back. Imagine that number at ten times those levels. Wow. Thor wins.
Right, I remember now when Thor 1-shot HIM.And B&T Thor... aside from it being completely retarded to even bring up seeing as how it wasn't 'true warriors madness' - if you are 'going by' that showing as evidence as 10x strength, I guess that effectively puts base Thor at around 20 -25 tons at best.
It makes sense, because well, seeing as how we are on the topic of numbers and scans from decades ago, Thor at half strength couldn't lift a tractor.
Proof he has him 'beat clearly' in that department?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Blood and thunder shows us what Thor is capable of when at normal levels when he isn't holding back. Imagine that number at ten times those levels. Wow. Thor wins.
While OWAW shows Superman's speed and strength when enhanced by the sundip, we haven't seen it in a storyline where he is completely without restraint like Thor.
A Sundipped Superman will have to go all out to survive against WM Thor. When Superman lets loose, I like his chances against most non-skyfathers.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynConsidering what he was up against only a fool would think he held some back. In this state it's in character for him not to kill also.
While OWAW shows Superman's speed and strength when enhanced by the sundip, we haven't seen it in a storyline where he is completely without restraint like Thor.A Sundipped Superman will have to go all out to survive against WM Thor. When Superman lets loose, I like his chances against most non-skyfathers.