Originally posted by RobtardMy Jewishness agrees with you, but my dislike of wastelands agrees with Michael Moore's opinion that the Jews should have gotten Bavaria.
Might have had something to do with the Jews being from there, ie homeland. Who knows though, could have just been a coin-toss as the decider.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
My Jewishness agrees with you, but my dislike of wastelands agrees with Michael Moore's opinion that the Jews should have gotten Bavaria.
To be fair, if the notion that Israel was founded because of what Germany did to the Jews, then the powers that be should have set up a nation for the retards, gypsies and homosexuals as well.
Originally posted by RobtardNone of those groups were a nation historically. Roma and Sinte are theorized to be descended from the lower castes of India and in many ways, Romania is a homeland to them. Zionism also has its roots waaay before WWII with some of the original theorists proposing a compromise wanting a homeland in Africa. Hell, many of the original Zionists were radical liberal reformers and champions of equal rights and Reform Judaism. They even started the modern Jewish anti-circumcision movement. There wasn't even that much animosity between Jews and Palestinians until the French and British started playing the two against each other to consolidate power and later the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem allied with Hitler and conspired to wipe out the Jews in the Middle East with a Bosnian SS unite he was helping to assemble for him (Hitler, for the moment only intended their use in the Balkans to maintain order and they never served outside the region).
To be fair, if the notion that Israel was founded because of what Germany did to the Jews, then the powers that be should have set up a nation for the retards, gypsies and homosexuals as well.
Re: why do they hate us? muslim hostility for america and its reasons
Originally posted by leonheartmm
YouTube videoi thought this might prove to be enlightening to people who might not be familiar with this part of the world{or the muslim world in general}. its an old documentary by imran khan from 2001. kind of deconstructs the myths from {at least part of} the truth
the late great edward said{part 1 of 4} on orientalism.
edward said's take on the clash of civilisations
norman finkelstein on israel.
a thread to discuss what you think about muslim hate for america and its reasons{please watch the videos}.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
safe to assum that no1 watched the videos? sigh
look, leo, anyone who has even a smattering of education in the humanities is going to know Said, and Orientalism is something that even those of us unfamiliar with Said are going to be able to comprehend, this forum has a generally higher knowledge level than the general public.
The videos are good and such, and if you want to use them to illustrate something, they are a good tool, but we could go to youtube and look them up for ourselves. All I mean is, you make the points, and then direct us to Said or Finkelstein. To be honest, it would make your argument much better too. Here, we all have to watch a series of videos loosely related to Israel, the Muslim world, and Western interpretations, but no real theme or argument is apparent. You have to create that theme.
To your point, it really depends on who the "they" is. A form of Occidentalism can be traced back to the pre-modern Islamic revivalism, defining what would be many of the battlegrounds in the modern "clash of civilizations", but this sort of symbolic opposition between the West and Muslim world isn't the same as that created through colonialism, or nationalist hatred against Isreal, or a sort of pan-arabic humiliation.
The Arab and Muslim world can't be reduced into a single motivational force.
Originally posted by inimalist
look, leo, anyone who has even a smattering of education in the humanities is going to know Said, and Orientalism is something that even those of us unfamiliar with Said are going to be able to comprehend, this forum has a generally higher knowledge level than the general public.The videos are good and such, and if you want to use them to illustrate something, they are a good tool, but we could go to youtube and look them up for ourselves. All I mean is, you make the points, and then direct us to Said or Finkelstein. To be honest, it would make your argument much better too. Here, we all have to watch a series of videos loosely related to Israel, the Muslim world, and Western interpretations, but no real theme or argument is apparent. You have to create that theme.
To your point, it really depends on who the "they" is. A form of Occidentalism can be traced back to the pre-modern Islamic revivalism, defining what would be many of the battlegrounds in the modern "clash of civilizations", but this sort of symbolic opposition between the West and Muslim world isn't the same as that created through colonialism, or nationalist hatred against Isreal, or a sort of pan-arabic humiliation.
The Arab and Muslim world can't be reduced into a single motivational force.
wow, have u BEEN to this forum lately. i wudnt post this if i agreed with your premises, but i dont. even people here who are generally educated know almost nothing of the world outside america{talking about americans here} other than what they hear from the western news outlets. the videos werent directed at u obviously. so i wud have to respectfully disagree.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
even people here who are generally educated know almost nothing of the world outside america{talking about americans here} other than what they hear from the western news outlets.
you are familiar with the concept of occidentalism?
Because, to me, you are describing a very vocal minority of the KMC user base, most of whom are very young and more likely influenced by their family/community biases than a reflection of American media.
i dont have anything against em. the only thing i dont agree to is that in the states they let religion go above the law.
for example a muslim female with the scarf on her face can walk through an airport and a bank fine without taking it off.
i dont agree to that. you should be required to show your face at all times in a public place so cameras can identify you.
if your 100% innocent than you should have nothing to hide
lets say you did take something how are the people who got it on camera gonna know who you are ? there isnt just one muslim girl that covers her face up.
when they get arrested and have to take their mugshot do they not make em take it off then to ?
what if some robber dresses up as a towel head with the scarf on his face and walk in walmart and shop lifts ? all it does is giving others the exucse to cover their faces for the wrong reasons as well.