Ganondorf Vs Azeroth

Ganondorf's only source of information on Azeroth is a magic mirror that answer all his questions. The answers are limited to the common knowledge in the world. He for example would not know that the Lich King is still alive, since the world thinks he is dead.

He will start preparing in his own world. For ten years, he can research Azeroth through the mirror and when ten years sharp has passed, a portal will open.

I am using the barrier surrounding Azeroth as an excuse of it taking ten years to open the portal 😛

Ah I see, so he does not get 10 years to actually travel Azeroth, causing mischief and setting up puppets to control, fair enough. I dont think the question is whether or not he will conquer Azeroth, its when he will fail, he may not be taken seriously even after being found but this may prove to be a fatal flaw and he may gain a foothold but I think eventually, the alliance or the horde would topple his plans or he will find himself being used by one of them to hinder their enemies.

I assume Azeroth would not know of his prying eye? or know that he is going to appear in their world? (although I assume many wizards and entities, even lesser ones have some form of future/farsight)

If he's allowed to sit in the sacred realm and prepare an army and a plan for ten years, and his primary enemies are the alliance and the horde, I don't see phase one as being as hard as some think.

Thing is, he probably would not attack as soon as he was in Azeroth. He'd start enlarging his army further.

He might weaken them by ressurrecting some old threats, and sending them in first, Azeroth wouldn't know he was the source of the problems until he'd already gained a strong foothold, at which point he'd become a very similar threat to the Lich King and the Scourge.

Is he allowed to create a Dark Link along with the other powerful monsters he can create?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
he'd become a very similar threat to the Lich King and the Scourge.

Difference being the LK being more powerful and intelligent, had a sort of mental link to all his forces for full efficency, said forces having a very vast variety of threats from magic users that would put the best of Hyrule to shame to large undead contructs and dragons.

Also LK had in a way, technology because he used a combo of magic and undeath science to create a range of powerful weapons, Ganon does not have said tech.

The LK had to retreat due to poison.

Lol.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The LK had to retreat due to poison.

Lol.

"had to" not necesserily being true, he just decided to, a poison made especially to destroy other entities of undeath by the forsaken that pretty much killed everything else made the LK "cough".

At least was not killed by a kid with arrows of silver with the ultimate force of power in his land in his possession.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The LK had to retreat due to poison.

Lol.

He did inhale a poison that melted peoples faces. He walked away with a cough.

Not that its relevant, point being the scourge is vastly more powerful and probably more numerous more than anything Ganondorf can throw together. I mean taking into account that the strongest spellcasters that Ganon faced was perhaps the sages and the best showing I have seen/heard from them so far is levitating a sword and impaling him with it I dont think hes going to be able to cope with the fact that even some of the weaker spellcasters in Warcraft can do better with more variety. There is also a lot of them, every army in Azeroth has its own sect of spellcasters, even murlocs have some shamans who can toss lightning among other things.

You bait any harder BT and you'll have fish coming out of your ass.

I am not interested in a childish squabble in this thread as well, go and use another thread for your nonsense and actually post counters and arguments in this one.

You mean like you're doing? 🙄

Anyway I needed a post to expand on Azeroths abilities without double posting.

Azeroth have a large number of heroes, although not every single character in WoW is canon, the overall idea that Azeroth have numbers of heroes that they trained and tried against the LK (and indeed the main plot behind the LK own plan) makes it clear there are a lot of them. Ganons plans are undone by only one child, each faction in warcraft has their own champions who have each undergone trials before and after the trial of champions.

Ganon has a way with overlooking logistics and communication efforts, his goals are set around gaining power but yet despite all his minions and advantages he does not try and find out where his enemies are, a few small groups of heroes, say a few mages, paladins etc with the best equipment from each faction would be able to undermine him once he becomes a threat serious enough to require their attension.

Originally posted by Burning thought
he does not try and find out where his enemies are

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You mean like you're doing? 🙄

Stop baiting.

No its not, show me him sending out all his henchman to find the one threat against him (which he knows of btw because hes faced the same fate many times and been beaten in the past). In TW he had all the world at his finger tips through Zant, his forces were vast yet his logisitcs were poor, this recurs.

Theres no way Link could get across a lot of the territories he does if Ganon bothered protecting the assets Link needs. He does not even bother learning about the realm he is conqueirng, the vast amount of knowledge each Link (who is a different person) comes across to find his way to each special object/person he requires to find is somehow beyond Ganon.

The fact alone that Ganon (main recuring character throughout all the games) gets beaten in similiar ways is incredible.

You should play a Zelda game before claiming that, BT.

You keep spamming that nonsense, its irrelevant to my point, me having played the game would not change my argument. I know the primary facts.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Theres no way Link could get across a lot of the territories he does if Ganon bothered protecting the assets Link needs. He does not even bother learning about the realm he is conqueirng, the vast amount of knowledge each Link (who is a different person) comes across to find his way to each special object/person he requires to find is somehow beyond Ganon.

You might think you know the primary facts, but you're missing something very important here. Reevaluate this, see if the wikis will allow you to figure it out.

This is where your confusing what a debate is.

Your supposed to counter me by doing this yourself and showing me how I am wrong if you think you can. I am not debating with myself here....

me having played the game would not chance my argument. I know the primary facts.

It would, because you don't.

Ganon does keep tabs on Link, and he does do what he can to stop him from getting what he needs to put him away, as well. (You think temples randomly get full of monsters and bosses by accident?) If you'd play the games you'd know that each time he's lost has been because of circumstances that can hardly be called fair.

OoT: Link had already drawn the master sword, which sealed him away in the temple of light, unaccessable to Ganon for seven years. When Link returned the triforce had been split, and Ganon was using Link to bring Zelda out of hiding.

WW: He needed Link to pull the sword from it's pedestal to break the seal on his power which was placed on it in OoT.

TP: Alternate timeline, had no idea about the events of OoT other than what happened in the child timeline resulting in his execution by the sages, which was botched, and resulted in him being sent to the realm of Twilight. Zant did have the chance to beat Link, but screwed up by not killing him. Zant failed, not Ganon. Ganon wasn't present until the end of the game.

aLttP: Ganon is sealed away in the sacred realm, and cannot deal with Link directly.

Ganon given ten years of prep-time and the magic mirror Miria mentioned would have none of these problems. (No Link with unfair advantages.)