Ganondorf Vs Azeroth

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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is false.

It would, because you don't.

Ganon [b]does keep tabs on Link, and he does do what he can to stop him from getting what he needs to put him away, as well. If you'd play the games you'd know that each time he's lost has been because of circumstances that can hardly be called fair.

OoT: Link had already drawn the master sword, which sealed him away in the temple of light, unaccessable to Ganon for seven years. When Link returned the triforce had been split, and Ganon was using Link to bring Zelda out of hiding.

WW: He needed Link to pull the sword from it's pedestal to break the seal on his power which was placed on it in OoT.

TP: Alternate timeline, had no idea about the events of OoT other than what happened in the child timeline resulting in his execution by the sages, which was botched, and resulted in him being sent to the realm of Twilight. Zant did have the chance to beat Link, but screwed up by not killing him. Zant failed, not Ganon. Ganon wasn't present until the end of the game.

aLttP: Ganon is sealed away in the sacred realm, and cannot deal with Link directly. [/B]

OoT: unaccessable you say but not necesserily hidden? what was stopping Ganon from just putting all his soldiers around the temple of light and the only thing in Hyrule that could apprently stop him?

WW: I also knew this, this is pointed out in the video of the dragon breathing fire on Ganon, however that does not mean Ganon could not have had soldiers stopping Link from getting to him, or any other item for that matter.

TP: Ganons minion, poor shepherd blames his flock and all.

aLttP: There are hundreds of ways Ganon could have stopped link, depsite being sealed he possessed the Wizard who had the ear of the king and all the people in hyrule because they thought he was a hero. Nothings stopping Ganon from making sure Link or anyone for that matter cannot get to all these sacred places where he needs to get the silver arrows, MS upgrades, other special items etc

Also where are Links ancestors? the guys who teach him his moves?

And no, Ganon would not have Link running around by himself with some minor aid, he wouldnt have a child baring down on him, he would have legions of holy paladins each blessed with holy weapons, armour and if they really needed it, silver arrows.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No its not, show me him sending out all his henchman to find the one threat against him (which he knows of btw because hes faced the same fate many times and been beaten in the past). In TW he had all the world at his finger tips through Zant, his forces were vast yet his logisitcs were poor, this recurs.

Theres no way Link could get across a lot of the territories he does if Ganon bothered protecting the assets Link needs. He does not even bother learning about the realm he is conqueirng, the vast amount of knowledge each Link (who is a different person) comes across to find his way to each special object/person he requires to find is somehow beyond Ganon.

The fact alone that Ganon (main recuring character throughout all the games) gets beaten in similiar ways is incredible.

You would know all of this if you played the ****ing games.

OoT: unaccessable you say but not necesserily hidden? what was stopping Ganon from just putting all his soldiers around the temple of light and the only thing in Hyrule that could apprently stop him?

WW: I also knew this, this is pointed out in the video of the dragon breathing fire on Ganon, however that does not mean Ganon could not have had soldiers stopping Link from getting to him, or any other item for that matter.

TP: Ganons minion, poor shepherd blames his flock and all.

aLttP: There are hundreds of ways Ganon could have stopped link, depsite being sealed he possessed the Wizard who had the ear of the king and all the people in hyrule because they thought he was a hero. Nothings stopping Ganon from making sure Link or anyone for that matter cannot get to all these sacred places where he needs to get the silver arrows, MS upgrades, other special items etc

Also where are Links ancestors? the guys who teach him his moves?

Originally posted by Burning thought
OoT: unaccessable you say but not necesserily hidden? what was stopping Ganon from just putting all his soldiers around the temple of light and the only thing in Hyrule that could apprently stop him?

WW: I also knew this, this is pointed out in the video of the dragon breathing fire on Ganon, however that does not mean Ganon could not have had soldiers stopping Link from getting to him, or any other item for that matter.

TP: Ganons minion, poor shepherd blames his flock and all.

aLttP: There are hundreds of ways Ganon could have stopped link, depsite being sealed he possessed the Wizard who had the ear of the king and all the people in hyrule because they thought he was a hero. Nothings stopping Ganon from making sure Link or anyone for that matter cannot get to all these sacred places where he needs to get the silver arrows, MS upgrades, other special items etc

Also where are Links ancestors? the guys who teach him his moves?

The fact that Ganon needs him to bring Zelda out of hiding.

You're underestimating Link now. If I recall the Triforce of Courage is scattered in chests throughout the great sea in this game, and if Ganon wants the whole Triforce he needs Link to have the Triforce of Courage.

Zant needs Midna. Midna is with Link.

In the beginning of the game Link saved Zelda from the castle's dungeon. She then remains hidden until Link possesses the Master Sword, which he uses in an attempt to save her again. Agahnim teleports him to the Dark World where he gathers the jewels in each dungeon to save the maidens. Ganon needs these maidens to break the seal on the Dark World.

Dead.

Edit: Sniiiiiiped.

Originally posted by NemeBro
In TP alone throughout the game he consistently has his minions patrolling the lands for Link, and sends the Bokoblin King to kill Link multiple times throughout the game. In OoT every single temple Link's assets were at, Ganon had protected them in various ways with monsters or with his own magic, such as when he froze over Zora's Domain or when he dried up Hylian Lake. In TP, he was not even in the same plane of existence yet was able to adequately guard and conquer several parts of Hyrule, and was able to send minions to kill Link at the same time. In WW he years before Link was ever born killed the Sages of the two temples and guarded them with his minions. He was able to safeguard the jewels that Link needed to raise the Tower of the Gods, and destroyed one of the locations where they were, though Jabun, the spirit that guarded it, escaped. The reason why Link gets what he needs is because he is just that ****ing good, despite the safeguards Link Mary Sues himself through all of it.

You would know all of this if you played the ****ing games.

So your admitting he has no idea where all these legendary artifacts are that happen to beat him in all his games? because it sounds to me like hes still not guarding any of them.

So he attempts to protect them but fails miserably? thats even worse than what I thought, despite his power, minions etc a cihld overcomes protections?

Sounds like Ganon does not try hard at all to protect the one thing that can apprently defeat him in Hyrule, freezes lakes you say? sends a few minions? "sigh" 🙄

And somehow hes going to fight against Azeroth which is full of entities of light, dark and in between who all have their own powerful artifacts. Given time what chance does he even have, 10 years to do learn certain things yet at the end of it he is stuned by his own foolishness.

And no, Ganon would not have Link running around by himself with some minor aid, he wouldnt have a child baring down on him, he would have legions of holy paladins each blessed with holy weapons, armour and if they really needed it, silver arrows.

Also, this silver arrow kick you're on. You've asserted they're > the light arrows which are divine power unleaded, and also asserted they do not have this power because they are not the same arrows. (they are.) Prove your assertions.

Obviously silver > divine power makes no sense.

Originally posted by Burning thought
OoT: unaccessable you say but not necesserily hidden? what was stopping Ganon from just putting all his soldiers around the temple of light and the only thing in Hyrule that could apprently stop him?

WW: I also knew this, this is pointed out in the video of the dragon breathing fire on Ganon, however that does not mean Ganon could not have had soldiers stopping Link from getting to him, or any other item for that matter.

TP: Ganons minion, poor shepherd blames his flock and all.

aLttP: There are hundreds of ways Ganon could have stopped link, depsite being sealed he possessed the Wizard who had the ear of the king and all the people in hyrule because they thought he was a hero. Nothings stopping Ganon from making sure Link or anyone for that matter cannot get to all these sacred places where he needs to get the silver arrows, MS upgrades, other special items etc

Also where are Links ancestors? the guys who teach him his moves?

And no, Ganon would not have Link running around by himself with some minor aid, he wouldnt have a child baring down on him, he would have legions of holy paladins each blessed with holy weapons, armour and if they really needed it, silver arrows.

2. Only...He does. And Link kills them.

3. Considering Ganon not even being present in the dimension, yet managing to conquer most of Hyrule, it is pretty impressive. Ganondorf did not have direct control of Zant, Zant followed him due to faith in his power and because his power came directly from Ganon, Zant did not kill Link, and it was Zant's failing.

4. He does guard said sacred places. And what would him controlling Aghanim do? He could not convince the king to bear his armies down on some kid. And at the start of the game...I am pretty sure he does try to kill him, but Aghanim is stopped by Link's uncle, who sacrifices himself.

Originally posted by Burning thought
So your admitting he has no idea where all these legendary artifacts are that happen to beat him in all his games? because it sounds to me like hes still not guarding any of them.

So he attempts to protect them but fails miserably? thats even worse than what I thought, despite his power, minions etc a cihld overcomes protections?

Sounds like Ganon does not try hard at all to protect the one thing that can apprently defeat him in Hyrule, freezes lakes you say? sends a few minions? "sigh" 🙄

And somehow hes going to fight against Azeroth which is full of entities of light, dark and in between who all have their own powerful artifacts. Given time what chance does he even have, 10 years to do learn certain things yet at the end of it he is stuned by his own foolishness.

2. A child. In TP, Link is about 18. About fully grown. In OoT, Link is only a child when Ganondorf does not possess much power, and is a fully grown adult. In WW he is a child...Yet said child manages to fight and kill monsters over twice his size with simple swordplay. Not including all of the items he has in the games. You try to downplay Link by calling him a "child" yet ignore all of his accomplishments, because apparently Link's age means they are by default unimpressive. An idiotic, blundering notion put forth by someone who must grasp any straw he can find.

3. He froze over a city. He safeguards them with numerous monsters, magic, and traps. You're ignoring this because you lack the intellect to actually debate this logically.

4. I don't really care whether or not he could conquer Azeroth. But you're lying to try to support your side.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Him not having an army or a Triforce of Power maybe? At that point Ganondorf only had the Gerudos, who would be no match for Hyrule. And said Temple is located in Hyrule's capital city, so he could not secretly safeguard it. You would know this if you played the games.

2. Only...He does. And Link kills them.

3. Considering Ganon not even being present in the dimension, yet managing to conquer most of Hyrule, it is pretty impressive. Ganondorf did not have direct control of Zant, Zant followed him due to faith in his power and because his power came directly from Ganon, Zant did not kill Link, and it was Zant's failing.

4. He does guard said sacred places. And what would him controlling Aghanim do? He could not convince the king to bear his armies down on some kid. And at the start of the game...I am pretty sure he does try to kill him, but Aghanim is stopped by Link's uncle, who sacrifices himself.

1. hyrule but surely link alone? and I have lost track of the amount of times Ganon has been said to be still incredibly poweful without nay triforce aid. If I had such power I would wait outside the temple of light and wait for the would be hero or put someone there at least. Could not secretly safeguard it? the guy through one possession in aLttP had the whole of hyrule trusting him.

2. So as I said, his underestimated Link? whats to say he wouldnt underestimate the hundreds of powerful entities, both holy or otherwise in Azeroth?

3. Does not negate the point, Ganon should surely know from his previous defeats that finding all the items Link requires before Link does is perhaps even more important than conquering Hyrule itself. (infact conquering hyrule seems the easiest thing to do in each of his games).

4. What lol? this is terrible, he does indeed have such political sway over hyrule yet he couldnt even guard some areas, he didnt have to necesserily kill him (not that someone with such political sway could not have bribed a few thugs) he could just have guarded it. Links uncle, how powerful is links uncle?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Which is less dangerous than Link. Without plot device protection he can bring his full power down on them.

Also, this silver arrow kick you're on. You've asserted they're > the light arrows which are divine power unleaded, and also asserted they do not have this power because they are not the same arrows. (they are.) Prove your assertions.

Obviously silver > divine power makes no sense.

I have proved their silver arrows, unless your argument is against the game itself which says they defeat trueforce ganon?

its common sense really, trueforce ganon killed/defeated by arrows of silver, a mere triforce of power ganon only stunned by light arrows....thats all there is to it.

Also you bring up this "divine power" but that sounds just like a title. Where are the feats behind the specific divine power within the light arrows?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganon didn't know where he was, the sword hid him from Ganon.

Dungeons randomly get filled with monsters and bosses by accident?

At this point Link wasn't a threat, and they had no prior knowledge of who or what he was, and Ganon wasn't even involved.

Aghi-Agihnig.. Ag-..THAT GUY was busy capturing the maidens while Link collected the pendants, which btw, [b]were guarded.

You mean... Link? [/B]

hid him, but not itself? what about the temple of light itself? your speaking a lot about the main items that harm ganon but not all those items and puzzles Link has to get to to even get to these places. Its not like Hyrule is tiny.

Link was not a thread? so I guess hubris is another weakness on Ganons list.

So once again Ganons tactics have much to be desired?

In OoT, Link is only a child when Ganondorf does not possess much power,

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. I never said that. Nowhere in my post was that implied. You're illiterate as well? Explains alot.

2. A child. In TP, Link is about 18. About fully grown. In OoT, Link is only a child when Ganondorf does not possess much power, and is a fully grown adult. In WW he is a child...Yet said child manages to fight and kill monsters over twice his size with simple swordplay. Not including all of the items he has in the games. You try to downplay Link by calling him a "child" yet ignore all of his accomplishments, because apparently Link's age means they are by default unimpressive. An idiotic, blundering notion put forth by someone who must grasp any straw he can find.

3. He froze over a city. He safeguards them with numerous monsters, magic, and traps. You're ignoring this because you lack the intellect to actually debate this logically.

4. I don't really care whether or not he could conquer Azeroth. But you're lying to try to support your side.

1. You always say that, you cannot even see further meanings in your own words, if hes got all this power yet he cannot guard the places, areas close to where all these items are then he is a poor ruler/co-ordinator.

2. So you agree that Ganons minions are pretty pathetic, a child could never fight his way through the smallest fort/castle under the LK's control. lol all your attacks are meaningless, you should know that by now, your "blundering notion" is that these monsters and creatures are powerful, or that Ganon is, it does not defeat the fact its a little child doing all this and he has to find most of his items.

3. logically? your forgetting the key in this logic, a child defeated all these traps, Link hardly holds the triforce of wisdom here....and hes not got the power of most of his allies until he finally finds the items he requires.

4. Not lying, these are facts. Ganon is beaten by a whelp in most cases, saying he had various items at his disposal to beat Ganon or outside help does not defeat the fact Link has a whole game (or several) worth to find all these items, each could be guarded in some way.

Azeroth does not have "various items" they have entire factions worth of paladins, holy weapons and powerful items and more silver arrows than you can shake a stick at.

1. hyrule but surely link alone? and I have lost track of the amount of times Ganon has been said to be still incredibly poweful without nay triforce aid. If I had such power I would wait outside the temple of light and wait for the would be hero or put someone there at least. Could not secretly safeguard it? the guy through one possession in aLttP had the whole of hyrule trusting him.

3. Does not negate the point, Ganon should surely know from his previous defeats that finding all the items Link requires before Link does is perhaps even more important than conquering Hyrule itself. (infact conquering hyrule seems the easiest thing to do in each of his games).

Ganon in TP had no knowledge of the events of OoT. Timeline split, remember? This is his first time being beaten by Link. He had no idea.

I have proved their silver arrows,

hid him, but not itself? what about the temple of light itself? your speaking a lot about the main items that harm ganon but not all those items and puzzles Link has to get to to even get to these places. Its not like Hyrule is tiny.

1. You always say that,

2. So you agree that Ganons minions are pretty pathetic, a child could never fight his way through the smallest fort/castle under the LK's control.

3. logically? your forgetting the key in this logic, a child defeated all these traps, Link hardly holds the triforce of wisdom here....and hes not got the power of most of his allies until he finally finds the items he requires.

4. Not lying, these are facts. Ganon is beaten by a whelp in most cases, saying he had various items at his disposal to beat Ganon or outside help does not defeat the fact Link has a whole game (or several) worth to find all these items, each could be guarded in some way.

Like we keep telling you, they are guarded.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. hyrule but surely link alone? and I have lost track of the amount of times Ganon has been said to be still incredibly poweful without nay triforce aid. If I had such power I would wait outside the temple of light and wait for the would be hero or put someone there at least. Could not secretly safeguard it? the guy through one possession in aLttP had the whole of hyrule trusting him.

2. So as I said, his underestimated Link? whats to say he wouldnt underestimate the hundreds of powerful entities, both holy or otherwise in Azeroth?

3. Does not negate the point, Ganon should surely know from his previous defeats that finding all the items Link requires before Link does is perhaps even more important than conquering Hyrule itself. (infact conquering hyrule seems the easiest thing to do in each of his games).

4. What lol? this is terrible, he does indeed have such political sway over hyrule yet he couldnt even guard some areas, he didnt have to necesserily kill him (not that someone with such political sway could not have bribed a few thugs) he could just have guarded it. Links uncle, how powerful is links uncle?

2. Link>>>Any random ****ing Paladin. Just since no one else said it. And you seem to, as you usually do, not be seeing the point. Ganondorf did not "underestimate" Link's abilities, Link is just able to Mary Sue his way through Ganondorf's forces, there is no counter for Mary Suing like that.

3. ...He always safeguards them. ALWAYS. I do not know how many more times I can repeat this point until it eventually reaches? Do you think hordes of minions are in the Temples Link needs to go into for no reason? Oh wait, you do not actually play the games, so you do not know what is guarding the temples.

4. ...No he doesn't. In fact, what real political sway did Ganon have? Inform me. =| Aghanim was a hero, but he did not have direct control over Hyrule, he was an advisor at best. A few thugs would have been sufficient to kill Link now? Do you even listen to yourself? Or are you deliberately baiting? Link's uncle was powerful enough to die. All he did was sacrifice himself so Link could live.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He was using Link to get the triforce.

Reading comprehension FTW.

Ganon in TP had no knowledge of the events of OoT. Timeline split, remember? This is his first time being beaten by Link. He had no idea.

No, you have not.

Leaves a lot of places a kid who disappears randomly could possibly be hiding. It's not liek the sword yelled out to Ganon "OKAI, I'M GONNA GO HIDE IN TEH SACRED REALMZ AND TAKE LINK WITH MEH.", and even if it had, you need the master sword to open and close the sacred realm.

1. How does that stop him from preparing for Link, and what triforce piece, surely he would know Zelda has wisdom since he apprently posseses her. If he wants courage, what was his plan of somehow getting it from link? its obviously flawed.

2. I know that hes not been beaten by Link, but hes been defeated by the sages. He is in the twilight/dark realm because he was defeated, surely he would actually attempt to explore this world and make sure any of Links items he requires or any items in general. Especially after he knows Link is there attempting to stop him, and Midna helping him.

3. true, the fairy proved their silver arrows, I just showed the vid claiming it so.

4. The sword, but not all the items Link needs unless your saying 99% of links items apart from the sword are optional and are not required?

1. How does that stop him from preparing for Link, and what triforce piece, surely he would know Zelda has wisdom since he apprently posseses her. If he wants courage, what was his plan of somehow getting it from link? its obviously flawed.

1. Link disappeared, and Ganon had no way of knowing Link had the ToC.
2. The triforce split could not have been foreseen, this is the first game in the timeline.
3. He possesses Zelda in TP, not OoT, now you're mixing and matching games. She did not have the ToW at this point, Midna did.
4. His plan is to take the triforce from Link by force, the problem being Link's really ****ing good, and has plot device protection from the bulk of Ganon's power.

The rest of your post makes no sense and is largely gibberish.

Learn to read so your replies make sense.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Link alone who is able to kill hordes of monsters and giant creatures? He is powerful. Enough to single-handedly conquer Hyrule? No. Also, he used Link to open the Door of Time, so Ganondorf could take the Triforce. The Triforce splitting was something Ganondorf could not have predicted, no failing of his. Also, this is a young Ganondorf, one who did not know of the power of the Master Sword, possibly not even of its existence. In aLttP he had the full Triforce, and the difference is there would be no reason to safeguard the Temple of Time in te eyes of Hylians...And with what? He controlled no vast armies, more like a band of thieves.

2. Link>>>Any random ****ing Paladin. Just since no one else said it. And you seem to, as you usually do, not be seeing the point. Ganondorf did not "underestimate" Link's abilities, Link is just able to Mary Sue his way through Ganondorf's forces, there is no counter for Mary Suing like that.

3. ...He always safeguards them. ALWAYS. I do not know how many more times I can repeat this point until it eventually reaches? Do you think hordes of minions are in the Temples Link needs to go into for no reason? Oh wait, you do not actually play the games, so you do not know what is guarding the temples.

4. ...No he doesn't. In fact, what real political sway did Ganon have? Inform me. =| Aghanim was a hero, but he did not have direct control over Hyrule, he was an advisor at best. A few thugs would have been sufficient to kill Link now? Do you even listen to yourself? Or are you deliberately baiting? Link's uncle was powerful enough to die. All he did was sacrifice himself so Link could live.

1. not as powerful as Ganon or so youve told me. Not without all his equipment. Under Agahaem or w/e he had hyrules ear, Ganon himself had Gerudos, surely they could hinder one child....

2. I lold, random? each paladin has a vast amount of holy powers, the kind Link would be jelous of, all it takes is a few items considered divine or blessed by weak sages to defeat Ganondorf. Thats not an argument, dont deny it, Ganondorf underestimates all his foes.

3. oh please with what? with his island destroying powers he should be able to bury the temples even if their holy powers dont allow him to get inside.

4. He had Agahaim who had the ear of the King himself and your trying to argue that he couldnt bribe/talk a few guards into getting his hands on a kid? or guarding the temple... Link from the beginning, and can you actually show the scene of Agahim killing Links uncle? sounds amusing for a guy whos prob featless stopping Ganons possessed wizard for even a moment.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
There is SO MUCH WRONG HERE, I have no idea where to START. 😐

1. Link disappeared, and Ganon had no way of knowing Link had the ToC.
2. The triforce split could not have been foreseen, this is the first game in the timeline.
3. He possesses Zelda in TP, not OoT, now you're mixing and matching games. She did not have the ToW at this point, Midna did.
4. His plan is to take the triforce from Link by force, the problem being Link's really ****ing good, and has plot device protection from the bulk of Ganon's power.

The rest of your post makes no sense and is largely gibberish.

Learn to read so your replies make sense.

Yeh nice bait and aggression, meaningless to me.

point 4 however is interesting, apprently he was going to use force anyway, so all this "hes using link to get the triforce" is BS?

Also it seems your calling everything a plot device, its possible Ganons just not that powerful.

What have you done, Miria? What have you done...

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. You always say that, you cannot even see further meanings in your own words, if hes got all this power yet he cannot guard the places, areas close to where all these items are then he is a poor ruler/co-ordinator.

2. So you agree that Ganons minions are pretty pathetic, a child could never fight his way through the smallest fort/castle under the LK's control. lol all your attacks are meaningless, you should know that by now, your "blundering notion" is that these monsters and creatures are powerful, or that Ganon is, it does not defeat the fact its a little child doing all this and he has to find most of his items.

3. logically? your forgetting the key in this logic, a child defeated all these traps, Link hardly holds the triforce of wisdom here....and hes not got the power of most of his allies until he finally finds the items he requires.

4. Not lying, these are facts. Ganon is beaten by a whelp in most cases, saying he had various items at his disposal to beat Ganon or outside help does not defeat the fact Link has a whole game (or several) worth to find all these items, each could be guarded in some way.

Azeroth does not have "various items" they have entire factions worth of paladins, holy weapons and powerful items and more silver arrows than you can shake a stick at.

Tell me Tom. What makes you think you know how much effort Ganondorf puts forth in guarding these areas? You, who have never played a Zelda game?

2. A child. Once again, you are ignoring that since Link is a fictional character, him being a child does not necessarily mean a thing in regard to his power. I know children in fiction who could conquer Azeroth in a couple minutes, and then solo the entire Pantheon of Titans. Link being a "child" means absolutely nothing, when said child is able to black an attack from a Moblin, a creature over twice his size. You grasp at this straw constantly, yet no one else is buying it.

3. So these traps must be simple, RITE!? Because a child did them, GANON IS CLEARLY UNABLE TO MAKE TRAPS A CHILD COULDN'T SOLVE, RITE!?!?!?!?!?!? Or...Maybe Link is more intelligent than the average kid, to fit with all his other Suish traits? Link as a child is able to do what the adults of Hyrule cannot. Him being a child means nothing, something someone like you is unable to grasp.

4. And are. 🙂

Link>>>>>>Random Paladin.