Team Spider-Man vs Team Blade

Originally posted by Robtard
When these fights are 'to the death', morals are thrown out, so don't start with that nonsense again. Spider-man has the physical strength; grabbing, twisting and pulling isn't some special-power.

"Gobby" is WAY stronger than Nomak, Goblin is comparable to Spider-man, in the strength department. Goblin also had those metal-claws on his armoured gauntlet.

There's no way Spidey puts Nomak or Drake down, not with the way he tends to fight. Taking a character and saying what they "could" do is bullshit, it's all about what they "would" do. You gotta go by the MVF golden rule. By saying "Spidey COULD rip off Nomak's head", even though you and I know he would never attempt it, is changing screen feats.

Would McClane use a nuclear warhead to take out a group of terrorists in a building? Nope. Why? It's not in his character to do so.

Again with the morals bullshit, funny how this only pops up when you need it. If morals factored in, then more than half these fights wouldn't happen.

EG, Would Blade kill a good guy? No, he wouldn't, so he's not aiming to kill Spider-man here. See how that works, son?

That is in regards to giving characters powers/abilities they've never shown. Grabbing, tesiting and pulling isn't something special.

Anyhow, Spider-man's webbing would stop Nomak, it was strong enough to not break while the train put tremendous strain on it, Nomak's not breaking it.

This is a moot point though in the bigger picture, as Venom could solo the vampires and he's not above killing.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, Rob, you are saying that Spider Man will win by doing something he would never, under any circumstances, do. Spider Man will approach this fight like any other, head on, with his fists and feet and webbing.

There's no way Spidey puts Nomak or Drake down, not with the way he tends to fight. Taking a character and saying what they "could" do is bullshit, it's all about what they "would" do. You gotta go by the MVF golden rule. By saying "Spidey COULD rip off Nomak's head", even though you and I know he would never attempt it, is changing screen feats.

Would McClane use a nuclear warhead to take out a group of terrorists in a building? Nope. Why? It's not in his character to do so.

Morals aren't a screen feat.

If the O.P. says this fight is to the death, then all characters are going for the kill.

-AC

Correct. All characters are going for the kill. Thought that didn't need stating.

Can't really remember Venom. Anybody have a video?

Originally posted by Impediment

The MVF Golden Rule:[b]What is seen on screen is canon in these forums. If your character you wish to use has feats/actions/handicaps that contradict what that character did on screen (movie canon), then it is a violation and is illegal. MOVIE FEATS ONLY!

-Impediment [/B]

Feats, actions......Spidey never, not ever, was shown resorting to ripping off a guys head. To say he would do so here is a direct violation of MVF rules.

Sure, Spidey probably possesses the strength to do so, but he doesn't fight like that.

The OP says nothing of this fight being to the death. As it turns, Martin just posted that they are going for the kill. Bit late for that, isn't it? Fight conditions must, as Impediment decreed, be made within the first few pages of starting the thread.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Feats, actions......Spidey never, not ever, was shown resorting to ripping off a guys head. To say he would do so here is a direct violation of MVF rules.

Sure, Spidey probably possesses the strength to do so, but he doesn't fight like that.

The OP says nothing of this fight being to the death. As it turns, Martin just posted that they are going for the kill. Bit late for that, isn't it? Fight conditions must, as Impediment decreed, be made within the first few pages of starting the thread.

Venom kills them all while Peter and Octavius discuss poetry. /the end

Dunno about that. What happens if Venom is shot?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Morals aren't a screen feat.

If the O.P. says this fight is to the death, then all characters are going for the kill.

-AC

I'm leaning towards what AC is saying here. How the hell can moral be a screen feat? We should, maybe discuss this in the MVF OT thread.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Correct. All characters are going for the kill. Thought that didn't need stating.

Can't really remember Venom. Anybody have a video?

It is the thread starters decision that this is a fight to the death.

However, I would very much prefer it that in the future, everyone posts such in their opening post: fight to the death, not to the death. etc. This is going to cause a lot fo confusion, like it already has, if the OP does not state such.

Originally posted by Impediment
[B]I'm leaning towards what AC is saying here. How the hell can moral be a screen feat? We should, maybe discuss this in the MVF OT thread.

[B]

What they are doing is changing the way Spidey fights. That is basically changing the character around to suit their argument.

Tell me this, how does Spidey beat his opponents?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Tell me this, how does Spidey beat his opponents?

Going by Spider-Man's screen feats alone, he is WAY faster than any of the vamps. His spider sense, also would be his saving grace. And, yes, his webs are tough enough to stop a speeding train, given enough webs, that is. So, who's to say that Nomak couldn't break free before Spidey slams his ass into a wall?

Nomak wouldn't break free, the webs are super-elastic, he'd be stuck and out of the fight. Venom or Ock could rip his head off at a later date.

Originally posted by Impediment
Going by Spider-Man's screen feats alone, he is WAY faster than any of the vamps. His spider sense, also would be his saving grace. And, yes, his webs are tough enough to stop a speeding train, given enough webs, that is. So, who's to say that Nomak couldn't break free before Spidey slams his ass into a wall?

Bottom line is that Spidey, with the way he fights ONSCREEN, has absolutely no way of putting Nomak down for good.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Slamming Nomak into a wall would accomplish....exactly what? Except piss him off?

Bottom line is that Spidey, with the way he fights ONSCREEN, has absolutely no way of putting Nomak down for good.

You're joking, right? Spider-Man caught, held aloft, and lifted a damn brick wall to save MJ. He threw webs and slowed down and stopped a speeding train. Inertia and all. Although it made him pass out afterwords.

What screen feats did Nomak have?

I think I have established that Spidey is stronger.

Originally posted by Impediment
Going by Spider-Man's screen feats alone, he is WAY faster than any of the vamps.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
All on Team 2 are capable of dodging bullets at close range. That's pretty fast.

But none of them have spider sense. Peter blocked Thompson's punch in slow motion and had time enough to look at Flash's fist, look at Flash's face, and then back at Flash's fist and go. "Huh!".

Don't see how that compares to dodging a bullet at close range. I'm not saying they're faster but I don't think Spider-Man leapfrogs them in speed.

Hell, Blade had impressive speed and agility feats himself.

The thing Spider-Man leapfrogs all of them in is bluntforce trauma resistance.

I disagree.

See my previous post.

I see no knowledge of Blade or the other guys being that fast.

Originally posted by Impediment
You're joking, right? Spider-Man caught, held aloft, and lifted a damn brick wall to save MJ. He threw webs and slowed down and stopped a speeding train. Inertia and all. Although it made him pass out afterwords.

What screen feats did Nomak have?

I think I have established that Spidey is stronger.

I am stressing damage soak, dude.

YouTube video

Nomak was stabbed through the chest by Blade, and it had little if any effect on him. This alone would have killed Spidey. Not to mention the hundreds of bullets he absorbed and LOL's about. Opening scene, Nomak is killing the vampires in the blood bank. The guard shoots him in the back, how many times? And Nomak simply turns slowly and laughs.

Look at 2:52, Nomak swings Blade into a marble pillar. The pillar smashes, Blade survives, he isn't even cut, man.

Add Drake to the team, how the hell does team Spidey put them down for good? Kill them? Not gonna happen. The only way to kill Nomak is with sunlight, or stabbing him in the heart with silver. Te only way to kill Drake apparently was with the airborne virus. Blade? Well, he can be killed by team Spidey, but with his arsenal of automatic weaponry, doubtful they'd get close enough to do so.

Review the scene where Blade throws his EDTA darts at Frost. He was moving faster than the audience could follow.

Blade himself has never dodged any bullets but the less powerful vampires have. A couple of them dodged poinblank fire in Blade: Trinity. Drake dodged a bullet. Nomak had no reason to dodge bullets. I'm confident Blade can dodge them too if he wanted, Frost did and his girlfriend did in the first film.

Spider-Man's fastest feat was us(the audience seeing things through his perspective) viewing the spit in mid-air.

Let's not forget the feat of Blade catching on to the train at rediculous speeds. Or Blade being stabbed with his own stake.

Spider-Man is tougher dealing with bluntforce. Anything piercing the skin with edged blades, guns, etc. and Blade is tougher.

Blade seems to be able to take high freefalls(not as one in Spiderman 2 when the webbing malfunctioned) pretty well too. He casually jumps out/off of highrise buildings in all three films(something none of the other vampires even attempted in Blade 2).

Originally posted by Darth Martin

Drake dodged a bullet.

That, and Nomak being the juggernaut he is, and Blade having his weapons, curbstomp.