Kain v.s. Nathan Drake

Originally posted by Burning thought
You would not know, a Guardian has been killed in the past easily, most of them are normal humans despite a few sorcerous abilities.

Well actually I dont have to prove Dumahs durability, its a red herring because he has no feats of durability. He could be as soft as pulp when he was impaled.

Well actually I am wrong, theres nothing to say that Dumah at the point of him being impaled (he claims to have grown massively stronger in limbo) was durable or even as strong as he seems to be against Raziel, he could just be a weakling Vamp when he was first kileld and grew stronger, as he said in limbo.

You mean the ones Vorador, a vampire, killed? I don't see your point.

Because even though Raziel could not harm him physically (Raziel acknowledged this), Dumah is obviously as durable as wet tissue paper, right?

Dun't matter.

He was Kain's 3rd (2nd after Raziel was "executed"😉. Vampires are supposed to be >>>>>>>> Humans.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
You mean the ones Vorador, a vampire, killed? I don't see your point.

Because even though Raziel could not harm him physically (Raziel acknowledged this), Dumah is obviously as durable as wet tissue paper, right?

Dun't matter.

He was Kain's 3rd (2nd after Raziel was "executed"😉. Vampires are supposed to be >>>>>>>> Humans.

You dont see the point when their mostly humans? a lot of them with not much power?

Just less durable than what your trying to assume, hes not as durable as Kain it would seem. Becuase Kain could not be impaled by a man, ofc this just supports the idea he was not impaled by normal means or that he was weaker "then" than he is agianst Raziel (which he also states btw).

Vampires are, that does not mean that a big slow guy like Dumah cannot be defeated by them. Many vampires were killed in BO and BO 2. They only got evolved and powerful in Soul reaver, we dont have any information on when, how, or why Dumah was beaten so trying to downplay vampires overall because of this scene is rather daft. Especially since its useless, Nathan still has no way of stopping Kain who si vastly stronger.

Just less durable than what your trying to assume, hes not as durable as Kain it would seem. Becuase Kain could not be impaled by a man, ofc this just supports the idea he was not impaled by normal means or that he was weaker "then" than he is agianst Raziel (which he also states btw).

No point trying to help you see where youre clearly wrong if you stand by 0.5 for everything.

0.333 is a slash, doesnt mean he can block bullets. This has what to do with 0.08?

Thats with his Nosgoth balance status. They can heal cuts but not stabs basically, so the deeper the wound the harder it is to heal. Why does everyone here think that by taking a strong psi you cant be shot by bullets :/

No i accept what you say and look into it basing on facts and knowledge, there are more things to look a then just breaking RT. Again, its all because of teleporting. Already said about this compared to peolple.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Yet Dumah, the physically strongest of Kain's children, as well as his clan got ownt by a bunch of humans.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Seems to me, a gun would be quite an effective method of vampire disposal.

Except they're still >>>>> Normal Humans.

You only assume Kain could not.

Lies. Even Humans can survive blows from Raziel. I suppose humans can take 100 ton attacks now.

Originally posted by BloodRain
No point trying to help you see where youre clearly wrong if you stand by 0.5 for everything.

0.333 is a slash, doesnt mean he can block bullets. This has what to do with 0.08?

Thats with his Nosgoth balance status. They can heal cuts but not stabs basically, so the deeper the wound the harder it is to heal. Why does everyone here think that by taking a strong psi you cant be shot by bullets :/

No i accept what you say and look into it basing on facts and knowledge, there are more things to look a then just breaking RT. Again, its all because of teleporting. Already said about this compared to peolple.

No, I think you just dont like the fact that Kains RT is superior to what you want to belive, maybe it amuses you this spite thread and you want to argue it? your argueing against real facts because your unrelated examples of a guy in brawl or of a choreagraphed martial artist is somehow not enough.

0.333 is what happens after a teleport, he has to think, react, and make a decision on his next teleport target in less time than it takes for a man to even percieve. Hence why he can react to aim.

His status is always present, he does not lose his status just because hes put against other characters in a VS. No, they can heal stabs and strikes but not full impalement. Because bullets work on acting on PSI on a small area, Kain can take vastly more than that little shot can deal.

No you dont, you keep ignoring what I say as well as all my evidence and then just claim he can only apprently strike, think and make decisions in 0.2 because he has teleport? daft idea is daft.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kain gets ripped up by Raziel, who can't harm Duma.

Not true, Kain gets slashed several times by Raziel, it does nothing.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Except they're still >>>>> Normal Humans.

You only assume Kain could not.

Lies. Even Humans can survive blows from Raziel. I suppose humans can take 100 ton attacks now.

Based on? they were slaughterd like dogs by Vorador......they cried for help.

No, I have seen a stronger Raziel deal no damage to Dumah.

Since when? never in a cutscene has a human survive Raziel going all out on him, infact I dont recall Raziel ever striking a human.

Truthly i couldnt give a damn what Kains feats are 😐 Martial arts movies was one example, people in real fights is a better one. Dont get so worked up, da? ^^

To start, choosing a next target can easily be done while attacking someone.

Scion of balance means he cant die. Wont take place here. Im just gonna put this here again for anyone saying someone is bullet resistant ''Why does everyone here think that by taking a strong psi you cant be shot by bullets :/''

Why would i ignore? That'd be boring :/ If he did that all with a speed feat then yeah his RT would be high, simple matter that its teleport... *sigh* fine, at best Kain has high human RT, happy now? `-`

Just to humour me, when in any cutscene has he demonstrated any reaction time above normal? As you know that would end this.

Kain automatically loses this thread as there is no one to debate for him 131

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Kain automatically loses this thread as there is no one to debate for him 131

I shall take Kains side for this....

Kain loses, good match sir.

Good. Finally, a Kain debater concedes.

What happened?

Somebody set up us the bomb.

What?

Mainscreen turn on!

What?!!

Originally posted by BloodRain
Truthly i couldnt give a damn what Kains feats are 😐 Martial arts movies was one example, people in real fights is a better one. Dont get so worked up, da? ^^

To start, choosing a next target can easily be done while attacking someone.

Scion of balance means he cant die. Wont take place here. Im just gonna put this here again for anyone saying someone is bullet resistant ''Why does everyone here think that by taking a strong psi you cant be shot by bullets :/''

Why would i ignore? That'd be boring :/ If he did that all with a speed feat then yeah his RT would be high, simple matter that its teleport... *sigh* fine, at best Kain has high human RT, happy now? `-`

Just to humour me, when in any cutscene has he demonstrated any reaction time above normal? As you know that would end this.

Oh rly?

Yeh, and it takes the brain time to make a decision, several infact. Kains deciding on a slash, angle of slash and his next target in less time than 0.2, humans cannot at 0.5.

Roughly, Scion of balance is just a title, its the fact his fate cannot be changed means he cannot die. Dont you understand that PSI is created by bullets? hence why they deal the damage they do? Kain can take rounds from large guns and rifles based on the smallest PSI figuire possible for him (using screams weight of one block).

It is a speed feat, the only thing the teleport gives him is the ability to cut out running/walking ot his opponent, infact its a far better RT feat than actually running to the target. high human RT? never even seen evidence any human can react off the get go at 0.2, as I said a humans brain cannot even percieve at 0.5. You cant ignore that information just because a martial artist made a well choreographed attack against a predictable opponent.

It should have ended already. Not sure if I recall him doing so in a cutscene, hes never had to.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Kain automatically loses this thread as there is no one to debate for him 131

Not quite 😉

Ya rly.

'Martial arts movies was one example, people in real fights is a better one.'
'choosing a next target can easily be done while attacking someone.' } Proves it.

Yeah, in his realm. Just to give an example, Kratos; very strong, can be stabbed by a common centaur (weak). <-- that the psi scale is faulty in games. And people are overlooking the fact that most scales at higher numbers dont stay in a straight relationship, they usually curve.

Not a speed feat, as there is not fast movement only teleport. Already said that its not only in movies, think ive said that a few times now.

The reason why theres no definate proof for these claims.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Ya rly.

'Martial arts movies was one example, people in real fights is a better one.'
'choosing a next target can easily be done while attacking someone.' } Proves it.

Yeah, in his realm. Just to give an example, Kratos; very strong, can be stabbed by a common centaur (weak). <-- that the psi scale is faulty in games. And people are overlooking the fact that most scales at higher numbers dont stay in a straight relationship, they usually curve.

Not a speed feat, as there is not fast movement only teleport. Already said that its not only in movies, think ive said that a few times now.

The reason why theres no definate proof for these claims.

no!

It does not "prove it" because your just making a claim. Choosing another target in 0.2 seconds? no. In a brawl you dont have to make the decision in 0.2 (humans cant anyway).

Just like Warcraft chracters can only access the twisting nether for magic which is in their realm, its all allowed. Kratos is strong, that does not make him necesserily durable and Centaurs are not necesserily weak, certianly not with a sharp weapon.

Kains slash is not a teleport, the action "before" the slash is the teleport. Youve said it, not proven it.

I have the move shown in the vid, and the fact humans cannot even percieve at 0.5, all of this actually makes definate proof. What do you have? the claim that a brawler or martial artist in some random fight can apprently do the same as Kain in 0.2? despite the actual proof that points out they cannot even percieve until 0.5?

Wonder if you were reading all the threads during you ban like someone else was, hmm.

Standard group fight, in the instant you block a punch you have to decide the counter, evade another blow and plan your next move<0.5secs.

Kains the balance of Nosgoth, cant die there. Hoooowever, even if he can come back, he still technically lost. Same with Kain (orLinken) be supposed bullet proof.

Kains slash speed is 0.3, how is that faster then human speed?

Strange to see you backing gameplay only feats. Proof of a driver hitting the breaks.