Kain v.s. Nathan Drake

Originally posted by BloodRain
Wonder if you were reading all the threads during you ban like someone else was, hmm.

Standard group fight, in the instant you block a punch you have to decide the counter, evade another blow and plan your next move<0.5secs.

Kains the balance of Nosgoth, cant die there. Hoooowever, even if he can come back, he still technically lost. Same with Kain (orLinken) be supposed bullet proof.

Kains slash speed is 0.3, how is that faster then human speed?

Strange to see you backing gameplay only feats. Proof of a driver hitting the breaks.

Your not describing reaction time, your simply describing senses, you would have already percieved your opponent if you had blocked their punch. none of those things>0.5 seconds.

Hes the scion of balance, this is difference to the balance guardian which is what your refering to.

Because its>the speed of perception and unlike approaching an opponent you can already see like Dante would for example he is appearing, so his brain has to percieve everything and make decisions off the bat.

Its a static move for a PC, this means its not really under gameplay balance, what I am using is a scripted event not relevent to gameplay mechanics. The player himself is not deciding what happens between each teleport either so its as scripted as a cutscene. I posted the proof, you read it?

Yes on the one opponent not the others.
Not referring to any balance guardian.... dont even know what one is. Besides, as said with Alex Mercer, if he loses and comes back he still lost.

''Kains slash is not a teleport'' His slashing speed is 0.333 while the time he appears is 0.333. So all this theorized RT is all the teleport.

In truth, besides one highly debatable move he shows no sign or any hint of reacting above human speeds. Proof of a driver hitting the breaks.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yes on the one opponent not the others.
Not referring to any balance guardian.... dont even know what one is. Besides, as said with Alex Mercer, if he loses and comes back he still lost.

''Kains [b]slash is not a teleport'' His slashing speed is 0.333 while the time he appears is 0.333. So all this theorized RT is all the teleport.

In truth, besides one highly debatable move he shows no sign or any hint of reacting above human speeds. Proof of a driver hitting the breaks. [/B]

No but I know what it is, and thats the part of Kains life that your refering to by saying "Kains the balance of Nosgoth", the fact hes the scion of balance is something different, its a status specific to him which is why he can survive anything. And Kain wont lose, they dont have anything major in his body to attack in a VS thread, his just an entity living without reason.

His "appear", thought, perception and then decision on the next target is in 0.2/0.3. Humans cannot even percieve at 0.5, if he never teleported then it wouldnt be as impressive a feat tbh, thing is I dont think your grasping why.

Not really highly debatable, your making a mountain out of a mole hill. And why would he show any hint? the fact hes stated in his weakest state to be above humans (blood omen 2) implies vampiric superity, the idea kains vastly enhanced and evolved beyond that all points to it. This move simply displays it.

Asking for a "hint of reacting above human speeds" beyond this one move is redundant simply because Kain has never had to.

Point being one death means he loses.

OK stay by your 'humans cant react faster then half a sec' as obviously that one car breaks situations means the same for everything. Not reason to explain to a closed minded person.

Aha, you brought in maths and reaction times based on assumption=mountain
Im saying it shows what it is=molehill
Can you show where its stated?

Never had to is your defence?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Point being one death means he loses.

OK stay by your 'humans cant react faster then half a sec' as obviously that one car breaks situations means the same for everything. Not reason to explain to a closed minded person.

Aha, you brought in maths and reaction times based on assumption=mountain
Im saying it shows what it is=molehill
Can you show where its stated?

Never had to is your defence?

Nathan cannot cause that death, even if he could penetrate Kains corpse and even if Vampires did not have rapid regen.

Not just the car break, my 3 sources on the human brain from the wiki said similiar things. The human brain cannot even "begin" to react until 0.3, in which case at 0.5, it can percieve stationary objects. Moving ones take longer. If someone runs at you then you blocking them or counteracting them is not perception time because the 0.5 happens as soon as the world around you comes into view. Same with all senses. Kains senses are not in the world at 0.19, and only appear at 0.2 (or 0.3 as you claim).

No I brought in maths and reaction times as well as a vid to show Kain is faster= Molehill

you made it a mountain by trying to claim that humans can do the same without evidence and tried to argue for pages on how apprently Kains teleport gives him reaction time at 0.2, despite having already used it.

Sure, hes never really "had" to use fast reaction times, therefore his game/cinematics are not going to show it. only the scripted abilities he has like this one. Technically were not talking about an ability here, it just so happens Kain shows us his incredible mental speed and RT during the move. The move itself is a series of teleports.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Nathan cannot cause that death, even if he could penetrate Kains corpse and even if Vampires did not have rapid regen.

Not just the car break, my 3 sources on the human brain from the wiki said similiar things. The human brain cannot even "begin" to react until 0.3, in which case at 0.5, it can percieve stationary objects. Moving ones take longer. If someone runs at you then you blocking them or counteracting them is not perception time because the 0.5 happens as soon as the world around you comes into view. Same with all senses. Kains senses are not in the world at 0.19, and only appear at 0.2 (or 0.3 as you claim).

No I brought in maths and reaction times as well as a vid to show Kain is faster= Molehill

you made it a mountain by trying to claim that humans can do the same without evidence and tried to argue for pages on how apprently Kains teleport gives him reaction time at 0.2, despite having already used it.

Sure, hes never really "had" to use fast reaction times, therefore his game/cinematics are not going to show it. only the scripted abilities he has like this one. Technically were not talking about an ability here, it just so happens Kain shows us his incredible mental speed and RT [b]during the move. The move itself is a series of teleports. [/B]

In this post there is false information, contradictions, wrong use of facts, fan based beliefs and baseless assumption. 😐 So all I will say is that you may want to correct and look into your assumptions if you want to pull this again. Not worth anyone's time to properly reply to that. Bad BT bad, youre above this.

Originally posted by BloodRain
In this post there is false information, contradictions, wrong use of facts, fan based beliefs and baseless assumption. 😐 So all I will say is that you may want to correct and look into your assumptions if you want to pull this again. Not worth anyone's time to properly reply to that. Bad BT bad, youre above this.

All I see here is combined usage of a lie and a huge copout based on the idea that an argument has been toppled and pride that does not allow an actual concede. Shame.

Originally posted by Burning thought
All I see here is combined usage of a lie and a huge copout based on the idea that an argument has been toppled and pride that does not allow an actual concede. Shame.

Not copout, simply waiting for you to shape up your argument. Ill get right back on this topic when/if you do.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not copout, simply waiting for you to shape up your argument. Ill get right back on this topic when/if you do.

Yes a copout, shame you got lazy but your persistance on holding on to a fairly light and poorly formed argument was I must admit fairly impressive. Ill return to the thread when/if you provide better evidence than claims, and when you stop ignoring actual evidence.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not copout, simply waiting for you to shape up your argument. Ill get right back on this topic when/if you do.

Originally posted by BloodRain
^ Dont think you read it quite right,

Yes I read it fine, its just another way to copout without losing face to most, if you dont want to concede fine. This argument is now dead if you have nothing new to add.

Glad you think that, will look forward to when you post what youve got.

Kain can survive having his heart ripped out, but not a bullet?

😕

It seems not lol.....

According to the opposition Kains just going to get shot dead, pew pew!

You have been back for not even one day from ban and you are already trolling. Got to admire your ability to restrain yourself.

This whole thread was a troll though.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]You have been back for not even one day from ban and you are already trolling. Got to admire your ability to restrain yourself. [/B]

Oh really? quote where I trolled?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Oh really? quote where I trolled?

To troll is to bait for a reaction from the opposing factor. At least half your posts on this page alone include it. You seem to be under some KMC illusion that trolling is blunt bashing. People troll all the time on this forum, you here not being any different, even after a three day ban.

If you want to find your trolling, look at your three posts upwards from where I posted my comment and you will find some.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]To troll is to bait for a reaction from the opposing factor. At least half your posts on this page alone include it. You seem to be under some KMC illusion that trolling is blunt bashing. People troll all the time on this forum, you here not being any different, even after a three day ban.

If you want to find your trolling, look at your three posts upwards from where I posted my comment and you will find some. [/B]

Your claiming that any negative post is trolling, this is not the case. People do troll all the time, I reported your trolling in the other thread but simply claiming someones argument as lazy or poor is not trolling.

And I am not "baiting" for a reaction as it were. I was plainly stateing my view, I was not reeling out a bait for someone to get furious over. The first one above your post was simply a statement of what the opposition seem to belive, with added doubt because obvioulsy I do not agree and those above were simply calling Bloodrains posts as copouts, its not a bait, simply an opinion. I could never imagine Bloodrain deciding to attack me or show negative emotions because I think his posts are copouts.

edit: infact your post is more than likely to be a trolling technique, your almost trying to bait me into an emotional response.

Yeah, I expected being reported for that. It was just a shame that Peach missed the fact that the one it was directed to was openly and even admitted trolling and no warning was given him. Was hoping my post would give his some moderator attention.

As for your talk right there: Sure. Just trying to keep you out of trouble. You have a tendency to escalate minor bickering.