Originally posted by BloodRain
''Improbable''The same as in any martial arts film where the main guy fights a crowd of enemies. The dont take 0.3/7/meh between each attack on them.
No impossible, a human could never react or carry out the same moves as Dante, hell a humans brain would not be able to react to the images their eyes are trying to read at such high speeds. They would be in a constant blur and disorientation.
Thats becuase their not teleporting, their enemies are within sight and sense long before they start the fight. After that its reflex and training to determine enemy movements. Its the same in fencing (second hand knowledge from a friend, not my own) where you determine an opponents movements and attacks based on their stance, not as soon as they strike. Also martial arts in films is not RT, the characters know when their being attacked and moves in films are choreographed or however you spell it.
Kain is not percieving enemies at a constant rate, hes not even on the same "plane" of excistence as they are when he teleports and his brain and mind have to work within 0.2 seconds alone. You could have assumed that Kains reaction time is normal if he only teleported once, but he struck and teleported against mulitple enemies.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Thats a physical increase, teleport is not.
Its attacking several enemies, same as Kain without the teleport.
''hes not even on the same "plane" of excistence as they are'' teleporting to people, him doing this does not mean has superhuman RT to target the next person.
How does that counter anything? and teleportation affects physical things, you cannot see your enemiy during the fraction of a second your in the "teleport" hence your entire thought process is hindered and it cuts out actual momentum. It affects many physical things. Just like how Dante has many "physical" enhancements that make it possible for him o react and move at said speeds, thing is, so does Kain to be able to react and move in 0.2 seconds between teleports.
no its not, its attacking several enemies that you can percieve, sense and react to even from a longer distance than close quarters. If the "insert martial artist here" enemy appeared right in front of him and he immediatly struck a killing blow then you would have a point. Not that you will likely find me a vid of an actual real combat between quick combatants jumping a martial artist.
Yes it does, because he needs to be able to think, react, move, and strike etc in 0.2, which is 0.3 seconds faster than it takes for a human to even percieve. His RT is incredible.
Not counter, showing the Dantes speed to people is not the same.
0.333 seconds, 0.167 faster by what you say. Only 34% faster then a normal person, about 17% faster then peak human. Again only if what you say was true but either way its not much faster then what Drake would be.
He'll have to think then activate teleport.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Not counter, showing the Dantes speed to people is not the same.0.333 seconds, 0.167 faster by what you say. Only 34% faster then a normal person, about 17% faster then peak human. Again only if what you say was true but either way its not much faster then what Drake would be.
He'll have to think then activate teleport.
Its a good comparison because in both cases humans lack things that would make it possible for them to achieve the feats of the relevent character. Speed for Dante, teleport for Kain even if they had those particulour powers.
0.2, 0.3, either way he is far quicker than the human brain can even begin to percieve. And he does this repeatadly so its not even luck or just a well judged strike. Drakes brain will stll be attempting to percieve Kain while Kain quickly and eaisly just walks towards him, moving his sword in front of where the bullet will land. Or he just gestures, breaking Nathans neck instantly.
Kain can take bullets anyway, their not going to harm him, assuming they can penetrate kain Nathan will just be making holes in a corpse, Nathans bullets cannot break kains soul or disrupt the sorcery that binds him.
And he does in 0.2 seconds, 0.3 seconds quicker than a human can even percieve, 0.2 by your numbers. Stlll superhumanly quick 🙂
No as to move at Dante speeds youd have to increase durability, skill, respiration, a variety of strength.. teleport only needs itself in order to work. Prehaps some skill but not super RT.
By what you say only by 20-30%, but thats if you were right. The shot will go off before he can teleport, and no, he cant block bullets.
Hes not is Nosgoth, he can die here.
No, just no. He has to react the same anyone else will then use his powers.
Originally posted by BloodRain
No as to move at Dante speeds youd have to increase durability, skill, respiration, a variety of strength.. teleport only needs itself in order to work. Prehaps some skill but not super RT.By what you say only by 20-30%, but thats if you were right. The shot will go off before he can teleport, and no, he cant block bullets.
Hes not is Nosgoth, he can die here.
No, just no. He has to react the same anyone else will then use his powers.
Yes you would need high RT to do what Kain does, because when a human appears again after a teleport, they would need 0.5+ seconds just to percieve their enemy and environment. kain doesnt need a fraction of 0.1 to do that and it only takes him another 0.1/0.2 to actually react, strike and make several decisions which increase time it takes to react.
He can based on feats and human reaction times.
He still plays by his own games rules, every character does unless those rules make them invulerable. And he cannot be pierced, a magnum, one of the largest handguns in the world can only reach about 44k maximum PSI, thats nothing compared to what Kain has taken unharmed and I doubt drake uses magnums. The weakest vampire children can heal quickly even from Raziels 40-100 ton strikes, a little bullets doing nothing to their God..
Not based on feats, 0.2/0.3 says he can react quicker, sorry but your ignoring evidence and then reclaiming the same old nonsense over and over again despite admitting and supposedly making your own figuire on the same feat, which is also less than human perception. So your ignoring yourself as well....
No you wouldnt. ''they would need 0.5+ seconds just to percieve their enemy and environment'' anyone that has been in a crowd fight begs to differ.
No he cant. His feats dont say that he can.
He can die. He has no shown regen. And what has Kain taken in psi..
No you just wont look past your own words to listen. Im not making up figures dont try that old trick, nor am i ignoring anything. Unless you want to give a scientific analysis on reaction times for humans that can teleport, anything else is guesswork. Sso again answer; prove that Kain has above human RT. Besides he would have to think then use his move, nothing youve said says otherwise.
Originally posted by BloodRain
No you wouldnt. ''they would need 0.5+ seconds just to percieve their enemy and environment'' anyone that has been in a crowd fight begs to differ.No he cant. His feats dont say that he can.
He can die. He has no shown regen. And what has Kain taken in psi..
No you just wont look past your own words to listen. Im not making up figures dont try that old trick, nor am i ignoring anything. Unless you want to give a scientific analysis on reaction times for humans that can teleport, anything else is guesswork. Sso again answer; prove that Kain has above human RT. Besides he would have to think then use his move, nothing youve said says otherwise.
Oh aye. If they differ then their ignorant to the fact that their brains are constantly processing at 0.5 over and over again, just like you are ignorant because your bringing up examples of people in brawls and martial artists, all people who can see their opponent and sense their movements long before they start the fight.
Oh yes they do, youve even got a figuire saying he does, 0.3, differs with mine by about 0.08 seconds.
Possibly if his soul is taken, or the spell holding him to his body is dispelled. Not going to happen however, Nathan has no powers. All vamps have regen, as Raziel says even the fledgelings do, Kains would arguably be stronger:
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Kains taken Raziels strike at 0.4 seconds over roughply 2 meters, using screams figuire of block lifting and even if I ignore the fact he can move twice that with ease the overall PSI would result in hundreds of thousands of pounds, the biggest pistols give us only tens of thousands.
Thats kinda what your doing, going on about how you think your right because you can bring up martial artists and brawlers and completly ignoring facts and figuires presented including your own. "sigh", hes done it in that 0.2/0.3 we have both calculated. How can he do it in 0.3 (according to you) if he has to think at well over 0.7? he cant. Your logic is crooked if not nonexistent.
Originally posted by Burning thought
He still plays by his own games rules, every character does unless those rules make them invulerable. And he cannot be pierced, a magnum, one of the largest handguns in the world can only reach about 44k [b]maximum PSI, thats nothing compared to what Kain has taken unharmed and I doubt drake uses magnums. The weakest vampire children can heal quickly even from Raziels 40-100 ton strikes, a little bullets doing nothing to their God.. [/B]
Yet Dumah, the physically strongest of Kain's children, as well as his clan got ownt by a bunch of humans.
LOL
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Yet Dumah, the physically strongest of Kain's children, as well as his clan got ownt by a bunch of humans.LOL
We dont even know how, could have been thousands, you cannot call it a bad showing when we do not know the power of their weapons. Humans in Soul reaver have flamthrowers, they "could" have used special tech. Also humans are not powerless, Moebius is a human and he had a staff that could weaken any vampire, if not cripple them.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Moebius is also one of the Guardians =/Dumah was chained to a chair and impaled. Dumah has durability on par, if not greater then Kain.
He was hurt by humans.
=l
Yes so? hes a Guardian, has sorcery, a staff. And humans in soul reaver times had flamethrowers, selling them short and downplaying them just because their human is pointless since Dumah is not half as capable as Kain.
Thats a mighty fine assertion, care to back that up the idea he was on par with Kain? and Dumah was impaled, but as I said this does not discredit humans, for all you know a sorceror weakened him beforehand.
This could just be a bad showing for plot reasons, Raziels strength is consistent throughout the games and Kain is more powerful than any of his sons.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Seems to me, a gun would be quite an effective method of vampire disposal.
hypocrite. Despite warnings you still dont quit with trolling.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm not trolling, FA provided proof that Dumah, the strongest of Kain's little crew got beaten and impaled by humans. Guns would be effective.The difference is, what I'm saying is logical, you legit troll Zelda threads with your silly bias against the characters.
You are trolling, otherwise you would have looked at my evidence that pointed out impalement was the only way to kill vampires, and that wounds close as soon as they are made, "immortal flesh".
The arguably strongest minion of Kain, nothing about physical durability.
Thats an opinion that will, once agian begin trolling, cant you just keep out of argueing with me? its not really that hard, I will never agree with your apprent "facts" based on assumptions and your own math.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
A Guardian > Some random human =/Lol. "For all we know". For all we know, Manbearpig wrestled Dumah and impaled him onto a chair and chained him. You have no evidence that any sorcerors were present. And prove they can weaken a vampire's durability.
"Could".
You would not know, a Guardian has been killed in the past easily, most of them are normal humans despite a few sorcerous abilities.
Well actually I dont have to prove Dumahs durability, its a red herring because he has no feats of durability. He could be as soft as pulp when he was impaled.
Well actually I am wrong, theres nothing to say that Dumah at the point of him being impaled (he claims to have grown massively stronger in limbo) was durable or even as strong as he seems to be against Raziel, he could just be a weakling Vamp when he was first kileld and grew stronger, as he said in limbo.