Kain v.s. Nathan Drake

Originally posted by Burning thought

Because teleport attack is just attack>teleport>attack. Not much more thinking then attack>move>attack.

Deciding to teleport \
} Deciding to act.
Deciding to shoot /

Not bothered to go into it but from what youve said Kain is faster then normal. Still a window of time open for the bullet to land.

'Improbable' as normal humans may not be able to, everything youve said points to Kain being above the normal guy but. None of that is impossible.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Because teleport attack is just attack>teleport>attack. Not much more thinking then attack>move>attack.

Deciding to teleport \
} Deciding to act.
Deciding to shoot /

Not bothered to go into it but from what youve said Kain is faster then normal. Still a window of time open for the bullet to land.

'Improbable' as normal humans may not be able to, everything youve said points to Kain being above the normal guy but. None of that is impossible.

Kain still has to move and percieve, his enemies as well as make concious thought on to what enemy to attack next. All of these things he can do in less the time it takes for a human to even feel the stimulas of thought, Kain literally can outmove a brainwave or as good as one in the stimulas.

Nathan cannot decide to shoot until his brain has even percieved Kain. Also assuming Kain does not teleport, whats stopping him from just blocking Nathans aim on his sword? Nathan fires, Kain blocks, then uses TK and does what he wants.

Not impossible for Kain, but a human, no human afaik has ever conciously made, even Kung fu artists work based on concious reactions and taking into account their entire environment, sound, movement etc but Kain does all of this off the bat, as soon as he appears from nowhere. Even martial art masters cannot ignore brain waves even if they have trained themselves to react, even sub conciously to various things like punches through training.

[QUOTE=12559127]Originally posted by Burning thought /QUOTE]

If Kain needs to put much thought into who to go to next, doens doest t show much for his thought speed. Btw you said something about 500ms... or something?

Same as Kain not being able to activate his powers until he know whats going on. Kain can block an array of bullets now? '

''even Kung fu artists work based on concious reactions and taking into account their entire environment, sound, movement etc'' If any martial artist takes time to think about all of that they deserve to be knocked out by someone who knows what he's doing. Pros do this off the bat.
Kanis thoughts and actions arnt far above human capability.

Speed of what? Teleporting?

Originally posted by BloodRain

If Kain needs to put much thought into who to go to next, doens doest t show much for his thought speed. Btw you said something about 500ms... or something?

Same as Kain not being able to activate his powers until he know whats going on. Kain can block an array of bullets now? '

''even Kung fu artists work based on concious reactions and taking into account their entire environment, sound, movement etc'' If any martial artist takes time to think about all of that they deserve to be knocked out by someone who knows what he's doing. Pros do this off the bat.
Kanis thoughts and actions arnt far above human capability.

Speed of what? Teleporting?

Your mistaking concious thought, for brainwave stimulai, Kain can process concious thought and carry out activities, movements etc (and cast teleport) in less than half the time it takes for a humans brain to even begin the stimulai. 500ms is how long it takes for a human brain to comprehend/percieve an object. 330ms for the brain to even register the stimulai of another moving object.

Yes, only a human takes 0.5, Kain takes a tiny fraction of that. If Kain can move his sword in less than half the time it takes for nathans brain to finish processing what hes seeing, yes.

You seem to be misunderstanding "time to think about" and "thought stimulas", concious thought and stimulas are two different things. Martial artists through training learn to work off reflex based on sound/movement and more important than anything, prediction based on heightened senses. Kain is similiar, only hes doing things such as fully concious movements before the human brain can even stimulate.

So:

Nathan- based on the assumption Kain is standing still the whole time to allow for the human brain, eye to process. Times are in MS.

0.01 battle starts
0.1-0.5 Nathans brain attempts to stimulate so Nathan can see Kain.
0.5+the time it takes for his brain to make decisions, I think this was an extra few hundred MS.
0.7 he aims.

Kain:

0.01 battle starts
0.1/2 Kains sword moves into position to match where Nathan is aiming.

by 0.7 Kain has plenty of time to have had his sword in the right place.

Seriously you guys, Was this really necessary? Starting today, I'm turning over new leaf. I'm going to be kind, respectful, tolerant, and understanding. You all should join me. I'm even going to put more effort into proper grammer.

Those are all good ideas as long as no antagonism starts showing up in posts between people. Although I am not sure I can chip in for grammar since I am too bad at it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Those are all good ideas as long as no antagonism starts showing up in posts between people. Although I am not sure I can chip in for grammar since I am too bad at it.

I'm even going to take you off of my ignore list. NO MORE ANIMOSITY and you can beat on that. I have seen the light.

Excellent. Well I will at least give it a try.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Seriously you guys, Was this really necessary? Starting today, I'm turning over new leaf. I'm going to be kind, respectful, tolerant, and understanding. You all should join me. I'm even going to put more effort into proper grammer.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Just to shorten this all; Kain chaining teleport attacks does not mean he can think faster then human potential.
If they know what they're doing it wont take as much time as you think.

Besides him not being able to teleport in time he wont be able to move fast enough. Unless he know where Drake is aiming and adjust at bullet speed. Never shown anything near thins.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Seriously you guys, Was this really necessary? Starting today, I'm turning over new leaf. I'm going to be kind, respectful, tolerant, and understanding. You all should join me. I'm even going to put more effort into proper grammer.

<-- Has already joined?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Just to shorten this all; Kain chaining teleport attacks does not mean he can think faster then human potential.
If they know what they're doing it wont take as much time as you think.

Besides him not being able to teleport in time he wont be able to move fast enough. Unless he know where Drake is aiming and adjust at bullet speed. Never shown anything near thins.

No, Kain moving, attacking, and doing all the concious motives required in 0.2 seconds when a human cannot even percieve stimulai in the brain until 0.5, does make him faster however. The fact he teleports is irrelevant.
You mean as much as time as the three experimants in the wikis I presented think.

He just has to adjust to aim, Drake cannot think quicker than Kain moves, he can just about begin the process.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I can't disagree with this. I wish you luck with your new leaf, and better grammar.

So You choose to walk a path of chaos and destruction...the war will never end for you.

Originally posted by Burning thought

It doesnt, same as a normal person that can teleport, 'sides Drake can get his shot off by 0.7 while Kain is still there. And normal person driving to breaking =/= Expertly trained martial artist. Not the point.

Doesnt change the fact that Kain cant block bullets.

Originally posted by BloodRain
It doesnt, same as a normal person that can teleport, 'sides Drake can get his shot off by 0.7 while Kain is still there. And normal person driving to breaking =/= Expertly trained martial artist. Not the point.

Doesnt change the fact that Kain cant block bullets.

"sigh" you didnt read the "teleport is irrelevant" part?

And Kain can move his sword in the predicted path of a bullet before 0.3, get the picture? 😉

Read. Has relevance.

Kains fastest movement is for this is 3-6m/s, bullet 800m/s. Lucky to block one, Drake can shoot more the once. Besides Kain can predict where the bullet will go.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Read. Has relevance.

Kains fastest movement is for this is 3-6m/s, bullet 800m/s. Lucky to block one, Drake can shoot more the once. Besides Kain can predict where the bullet will go.

You still fail to realise that Kain can move his sword in any direction he wants in 0.2 milliseconds and it takes 0.5 just for the bloke to percieve Kain and +0.2 aim accordingly, how fast the bullet goes is irrelevant if Nathans aim looks as slow to Kain as a milk float. Kain just moves the sword along with Nathans aim, Kains sword does the blocking, the bullets speed is irrelevant.

You know this is just for lulz because Kain at 0.2 does not have to swing his sword, he could just gesture and have Nathan and his gun flying into the air.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Realised already. Unless Kain can judge the exact angle of the barrel for the trajectory of the bullets, hasnt shown anything to claim this.

Though range wise Guns>Kains TK.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Realised already. Unless Kain can judge the exact angle of the barrel for the trajectory of the bullets, hasnt shown anything to claim this.

Though range wise Guns>Kains TK.

He doesnt have to judge remember? his reflexes mean he can do movements in 0.2 while Nathan is just getting his little brain stimulai, weve been through this already. Kains brain allow shim to make movements at 0.2, so his actual brain stimulai would be under 0.1, his aim would be easy to judge when he can make quick movements with his sword with every brain wave Nathan needs to even re-direct his gun.

Whats range got to do with Kain just smashing Nathan or his guns to hell with TK?

[QUOTE=12559748]Originally posted by Burning thought /QUOTE]

Reflexes high human, not even peak humans can react like that. ''Kains brain allow shim to make movements at 0.2, so his actual brain stimulai would be under 0.1'' 0.2 movements are within human speeds, so his brain stimuli isnt much higher then average by what youve said.
Again maybe get lucky and block one, not more.

Well for one, being out ranges he cant use TK on Drake.

Blood, hold your ground, sir. Don't let BT scale up reaction time he doesn't have or demonstrate. 😐