Originally posted by BloodRain
Reflexes high human, not even peak humans can react like that. ''Kains brain allow shim to make movements at 0.2, so his actual brain stimulai would be under 0.1'' 0.2 movements are within human speeds, so his brain stimuli isnt much higher then average by what youve said.
Again maybe get lucky and block one, not more.Well for one, being out ranges he cant use TK on Drake.
No they cant, but Kains not a human. 0.2 movements, sure when their randomly punching thin air, no human has made a thought process, decision, stimulai, motioned and then chose another target in 0.2, based on 3 piecies of evidence the human brain can only just about stimulate at 0.5, let alone allow motion, decision and accuracy at 0.2. Whoever your talking about, that 0.2 is not a reaction feat.
Kain could block Drakes slow human reflexes just by judging his aim, over and over and over, each time Drakes going to have to correct his error which takes 0.4 milliseconds if he wants to hit Kain, which ofc is impossible becaue Kain still has 0.2 feats of moving his sword.
You imply TK has a range? what makes you say that?
Originally posted by Burning thought
You dont have to be a human to have human RT :/ Bruce Lee for starters, all that in 0.17 seconds. The average human in those situations, not an expert in a fight. Thing is, Kain cant move in 0.2 either. Its 0.333.
Compared to Kains normal reflexes 😐 Theres no correcting errors, just shooting multiple times.
From all gameplay videos.
Originally posted by BloodRain
You dont have to be a human to have human RT :/ Bruce Lee for starters, all that in 0.17 seconds. The average human in those situations, not an expert in a fight. Thing is, Kain cant move in 0.2 either. Its 0.333.Compared to Kains normal reflexes 😐 Theres no correcting errors, just shooting multiple times.
From all gameplay videos.
Show me him doing it? 0.333 based on you doing the same as me, where I got 0.28, it doesnt help poor old Nathan whos got 0.7 before he even aims his gun at Kain. Then when he shoots Kains sword because Kain was sitting ready since 0.2, or 0.5 whenever it first became predictable where he was going to aim and has to correct his aim, error correction= another 0.4 seconds until Nathan runs out of bullets, or Kain casually walks towards him only to gut him when he gets close.
How can you claim it has a range from the videos? has Kain ever attempted a TK at long range and was not able to then? I dont remember that happening.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Depends, should i waste my time finding videos or wait for you to show Kains above human RT. So we're in agreement that it takes him 0.3, good. And 0.3 is only slash speed without his thought time.Kains never TKd anything beyond a specific range.
Its a waste of time anyway, Nathan is not a peak human, hes not a martial artist with training of body or mind. And I would like you to find a video, I want to see if i am correct in assuming its just Bruce lee in a film or punching thin air, not actually reacting to anything. No, 0.3 is everything, unless your assuming Kain has precog? he knows the movements of his enemies and the slashes he needs to do before he teleports? lol no Kain has no precog, every time he appears his brain is perceving images and he has to decide and slash in 0.2, you cant ignore those things. He cant decide to slash, or percieve enemies in the future for when he teleports.
a "specific" range being? you seem shaky on this subject. Logically TK has no limit on the range other than the distance a character can see, if he can see his opponent then the distance between them is irrelevant. Their not projectiles of TK, their telekinetic bonds that appear around the target.
Originally posted by Burning thought
And nor is Kains RT or mind. Punching thin air isnt much difference to contact. No vid of Kains reactions, no point unless you find that. 0.3 is the slash. Sounded like you were talking to yourself for a second 😐 Not ignore, im simple seeing what is shown. Appears and slashes, nothing high about that.
Shaky? No. Waiting for proof on two things? Yes. Thats your logic on TK, backed up by nothing.
Without any proof theres no point in continuing.
Originally posted by BloodRain
And nor is Kains RT or mind. Punching thin air isnt much difference to contact. No vid of Kains reactions, no point unless you find that. 0.3 is the slash. Sounded like you were talking to yourself for a second 😐 Not ignore, im simple seeing what is shown. Appears and slashes, nothing high about that.Shaky? No. Waiting for proof on two things? Yes. Thats your logic on TK, backed up by nothing.
Without any proof theres no point in continuing.
Feats show otherwise. No, both are vastly different to reacting to something. Weve got it, youve mathed them at 0.3, I have at 0.28 estimation. I sort of asked you a question and then answered it myself in the same post. Your seeing Kain do something a man couldnt do in twice that time. Yes because moving your body and slashing does not take any brain waves, nor does choosing your target, angle of slash..oh wait no, it does....every movement of a body requires brainwave stimulas, a humans just happens to be around 0.7, not 0.28
Backed up by nothing? Kain lifts moebius, a sarafan soldier in cutscenes and theres no physical bond between either. Only facts that we can see is that Kain seems to gesture for movement and has to see his enemy.
Indeed, no proof of peak humans reacting at 0.17, no proof Nathan has any chance of even aiming at Kain before being cut in half.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Wrong, again. From the videos its 0.333 you say 0.28 so i lowered it to 0.3. Selective hearing kiddo. ''moving your body and slashing does not take any brain waves, nor does choosing your target, angle of slash'' so you think each one of those takes that long?
Thats weight not distance.
Actually you'd have to prove that Kain has above normal mind in that way before i need so disprove it by showing evidence.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Wrong, again. From the videos its 0.333 you say 0.28 so i lowered it to 0.3. Selective hearing kiddo. ''moving your body and slashing does not take any brain waves, nor does choosing your target, angle of slash'' so you think each one of those takes that long?Thats weight not distance.
Actually you'd have to prove that Kain has above normal mind in that way before i need so disprove it by showing evidence.
The tests in my evidence shows that simple reaction, which is a reaction without actually doing anything about it is 0.3, brain waves for actually doing something about something is 0.5 (the test was just pressing a button) , it then goes on to say that adding choice, decision and error correction among other things all adds time to this. My other source on brain waves has that diagram that shows us it takes 330 seconds before stimulas in the brain even activates, and Kains already moving, let alone stimulas. Your ignoring this. Each one of those activities adds time, and overall should take vastly more than 0.2-0.3 if an average human takes 0.5 just for stimulas. A driver in my other example in the other thread took 0.7 to put on the brakes, this is a guy whos trained in doing that over and over (if you drive you would know), not just some guy with a Gun facing off the bat someone hes never seen before, moving at speeds he cannot comprehend. Yet your assuming hes going to move with expert efficency and fire accurate shots when Kain can make movement and action before his stimulai even comes into effect.
Distance is space that Kains Tk does not travel.
I have shown evidence that human brains dont stimulate until 0.5, your saying despite actually achieving activity and movement at 0.3 Kains not got stimulas higher than a human? 🙄
Originally posted by Burning thought
You cant just put two pieces of different evidence together without working out the base, difference and relation. Doesn't matter, Kain doesn't show above normal reactions. All that is summarised by 'slash opponent' and to compare a drivers breaking to gunfire? Not entirely the same. One major difference is that he can see his target. Remember this is before he moves at 'speeds'. No i just think he's a good shot, thats all thats needed.
Distance is the reach of the 'grab'
But youre forgetting to show evidence that Kain can move faster then this. You fail to see the connection and im not going to point it out to you. ''Kain can make movement and action before his stimulai even comes into effect.'' give you a hint, start here.
Originally posted by BloodRain
You cant just put two pieces of different evidence together without working out the base, difference and relation. Doesn't matter, Kain doesn't show above normal reactions. All that is summarised by 'slash opponent' and to compare a drivers breaking to gunfire? Not entirely the same. One major difference is that he can see his target. Remember this is before he moves at 'speeds'. No i just think he's a good shot, thats all thats needed.Distance is the reach of the 'grab'
But youre forgetting to show evidence that Kain can move faster then this. You fail to see the connection and im not going to point it out to you. ''Kain can make movement and action before his stimulai even comes into effect.'' give you a hint, start here.
"sigh" your faily to comprehend the effects of stimulai, my info shows it to you, you must just be ignoring it because you saw Jackie chan swing a punch in some movie or your overly bias, the info quite clearly shows how stimulai works and its at 0.5 for comprehension of a stationary object, if you want to ignore facts then fine, according to you Kain does not even have to wait for stimulation in the brain before he makes movements. The event is not the same, human stimulation remains the same however, the driver breaking has the advantage of doing something he has trained for, I have no evidence to suggest Nathan is a weapons specialist with his guns and I know hes not trained himself to quick draw and fire accuratly against an opponent like Kain.
Kains brain has to percieve, function and think in 0.2 as well as move. The human brain cannot stimulate until 0.5, let alone do anything about it.
Tk does not cover space, hence distance is irrelevent.
No I see what your trying to do, you seem to be assuming Kain does not have to stimulate when he sees enemies. Kains brain would have to do all this every time he teleports, because hes not seeing/watching the enemy while hes in the space between dimensions after each teleport. His brain is reacting off the charts. I doubt even Dante could do this.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You know it's not very hard to quick draw, right?
Depends, its not very hard to play tennis, doesnt mean I can react to the best players. Drawring a weapon and accuratly fireing in less than 0.2 I would like to see.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm pretty sure BT is intentionally misinterpretting things in a way that would give Kain an advantage. This does not surprise me.
Funny, I was thinking the opposite about Bloodrain, he seems to be ignoring human stimulas and the fact Kain stimulates and makes concious actions in less than half the time.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It's all bullshit anyway, he's using gameplay.
static canon ability, its as scripted as any cutscene.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Depends, its not very hard to play tennis, doesnt mean I can react to the best players. Drawring a weapon and accuratly fireing in less than 0.2 I would like to see.static canon ability, its as scripted as any cutscene.
Your entire argument is based around that Kain can perceive in that amount of time. He still needs to use the attack and move to do it. He's got a lot more to do than Drake does.
And this is where I point out, that so is Ganon's stuff.
Your entire argument is based around that Kain can perceive in that amount of time. He still needs to use the attack and move to do it. He's got a lot more to do than Drake does.He's stacking times, to make it look like Kain is doing less in more time, as well. Any normal human could move by someone and poke them with a weapon, and Kain's never shown percieving acting or reacting at an above human level.