come on there are many instances where you can't see the fighters when they fight. In the cooler movies. Vegeta couldn't see Goku and Coller duking it out, and cooler was STANDING STILL behind vegeta and vegeta still couldn't see him. only when goku kicked him did vegeat start seeing them.
also instant transmission anyone?
but this is an endless debate that has been going on for years and i doubt it is helpin things here so lets just drop it. my last post on the topic
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The characters get faster over time. When Vegeta is slower than Goku, he cannot see him, but when he catches up a bit, he can.
Well, Vegeta was able to see Goku movements owning Recoome, Jeice and Burtur, and at that point, he was significantly weaker than Goku.
Instant Transmission is teleportation, not a speed feat, for the record.
Originally posted by LLLLLinkDub fabrication.
"He dodged it.... He's faster than the speed of light..." - Piccolo after Raditz dodges his special beam cannon 😬
Was not said in the Japanese anime, and was not said in the manga for sure.
Goku would never defeat Superman. Superman who has traveled billions of times FTL, survived planet destroying blasts easily, and has torn apart a planet in a fight with Zod I believe it was.
I probably know more about DBZ than everyone who has posted in this thread, and know enough about Superman to know that Goku is utterly chanceless.
The best quantifiable speed feat we have that appears in the original manga is Gotenk's feat of flying around the planet seven times in roughly twenty minutes, impressive, to be sure, but Superman could have flown to the sun and back in faster time.
Superman can go so fast that he travels through time. Goku's only way of catching up to him is by Instant Transmission.
Superman is so strong that he can juggle planets. Goku struggled to lift a city.
Superman is so durable that he can stay in the sun without discomfort. Goku in SSj form was hurt by a thrown rock from Krillin.
I think it's obvious who wins.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
"He dodged it.... He's faster than the speed of light..." - Piccolo after Raditz dodges his special beam cannon 😬
Only in the dub version. There wasn't any light speed until the Frieza saga.
EDIT: Nemebro beat me to it!
Originally posted by NemeBro
Superman has never juggled planets (Barring some Pre Crisis bullshit), nobody in DBZ has ever traveled at lightspeed, Goku in the manga never even attempted to lift a city, and I am pretty sure the rock thing was also only in the anime.
1. I was using the Pre-Crisis bullshit though, I wish I could see scans just to see what juggling planets look like.
2. Frieza and Goku sure spent a couple of episodes in their last fight even though it was all supposed to be 5 minutes (dub at least). And the fights after that were all blurs to ordinary people. If that's not light speed, then DBZ gets wasted by a lot more characters.
3. I was using GT which is best strength feat I've seen in the anime.
4. The rock throw was in a filler episode. I guess that makes that non-canon.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia1. Pre Crisis is not relevant to current Superman.
1. I was using the Pre-Crisis bullshit though, I wish I could see scans just to see what juggling planets look like.2. Frieza and Goku sure spent a couple of episodes in their last fight even though it was all supposed to be 5 minutes (dub at least). And the fights after that were all blurs to ordinary people. If that's not light speed, then DBZ gets wasted by a lot more characters.
3. I was using GT which is best strength feat I've seen in the anime.
4. The rock throw was in a filler episode. I guess that makes that non-canon.
2. Even that would not make it lightspeed, and once again, dub. Blurs? Someone going lightspeed would not even be visible to the human eye, they could go to the sun in eight minutes.
3. Not only is GT not canon, but it was faggotry of the utmost kind.
4. Indeed.