Re: Re: Link, Dark Link, Midna, Zelda and Ganondorf Vs Sargeras
Originally posted by NemeBro
Even I know the Zelda side is absolutely chanceless.
I wouldn't say "chanceless", but Zelda and Midna are useless here. Ganondorf probably takes a support role. The only real factor here for the Zelda side is the Master Sword.
Link could whoop some serious evil a$$ with that thing, but the Sargeras is gigantic, and I don't exactly how big he is or if the Giant's Mask will even up the size difference.
I know that Sargeras was made to "cease to exist" by a portal closing on him, and that weapons of divinity can harm him. Contact with the Blade of Evil's Bane should have a nice effect.
Re: Re: Re: Link, Dark Link, Midna, Zelda and Ganondorf Vs Sargeras
Originally posted by LLLLLink
I wouldn't say "chanceless", but Zelda and Midna are useless here. Ganondorf probably takes a support role. The only real factor here for the Zelda side is the Master Sword.Link could whoop some serious evil a$$ with that thing, but the Sargeras is gigantic, and I don't exactly how big he is or if the Giant's Mask will even up the size difference.
I know that Sargeras was made to "cease to exist" by a portal closing on him, and that weapons of divinity can harm him. Contact with the Blade of Evil's Bane should have a nice effect.
To say that Sargeras is gigantic is quite an understatement. He makes beings that make giants look like ants look like insects. He could increases his size even more if needed, but there's no point. The Giant's Mask would make no difference.
I'm not sure what you meant by "cease to exist?" He simply never passed through the portal and that's it.
Broxigar, who wielded an axe infused with the power of the Nature of the world(which is the ultimate bane of demons in Warcraft) itself, barely managed to inflict a "wound" that wouldn't even classify as a paper-cut. And that's considered a massive PIS moment.
Re: Re: Re: Link, Dark Link, Midna, Zelda and Ganondorf Vs Sargeras
Originally posted by LLLLLinkLet us say you are right and the Master Sword cut through him like butter.
I wouldn't say "chanceless", but Zelda and Midna are useless here. Ganondorf probably takes a support role. The only real factor here for the Zelda side is the Master Sword.Link could whoop some serious evil a$$ with that thing, but the Sargeras is gigantic, and I don't exactly how big he is or if the Giant's Mask will even up the size difference.
I know that Sargeras was made to "cease to exist" by a portal closing on him, and that weapons of divinity can harm him. Contact with the Blade of Evil's Bane should have a nice effect.
It would be about the equivelant of poking a hair follicle into Sargeras' skin.
The Giant's Mask will not make him a tenth as large as Sargeras.
Titans are beings who physically mold mountain ranges with their hands.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Then why make a thread so horrendously slanted in Sargeras' favor?Even I know the Zelda side is absolutely chanceless.
Link, Dark Link and Ganondorf has all three been persistently debated against powerful foes, so I put the three together and against Sargeras. True, this could be viewed as spite, but for the reason that there are those that would agree, I don't see it as such. I think Sargeras would win, but that's just my opinion.
The idea that the MS can defeat any evil has to stop, its just especially effective against evil, that does not mean branshing it against Satan himself is going to send him fleeing. Sargerus takes the MS blows like a mountain range would take a summers breeze and then crushes the team under his hand, this has to be spite 😛
The MS power in general is hard to gauge even against a regular foe, since its feats are against ganon alone, I dont think he turned to stone every time he was hit by it, so it may have just been what happems to dorf, not an actual power of the sword. Off topic anyway, its irrelevent because they have nothing to harm or hinder Sarg.
Re: Link, Dark Link, Midna, Zelda and Ganondorf Vs Sargeras
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
You know enough about Zelda and for sure enough about Warcraft to know that this is spite. Having people disagree with you doesn't mean its any less spite. Sure size isn't everything, but Sargeras is overwhelming in every aspect. I even think Gorribal has too much darkness for the Master Sword to bane, not taking in consideration that Link and his sword is so small he will have problems hitting Sargeras foot 😄
I just know that some of the Zelda fans here debate against virtually anything, and bored as I have been, I'm not opposed a debate between some Zelda characters and Sargeras. As I mentioned, it could be viewed as spite, but there are people that would disagree with me on finding Sargeras the winner.
As for the lore train wreck, yeah, it was kinda epic 😛 As for your point on Gorribal against the Master Sword, I kinda agree. There just might be too much evil in that sword for the Master Sword to have any real advantage against it.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I just know that some of the Zelda fans here debate against virtually anything, and bored as I have been, I'm not opposed a debate between some Zelda characters and Sargeras. As I mentioned, it could be viewed as spite, but there are people that would disagree with me on finding Sargeras the winner.
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Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I just think he's too huge. The size advantage is just insane.Edit: I suppose for any chance you'd need Trueforce, and I dunno how we'd make that work. Twilight field won't work either, he just won't fit. >_>
I must admit I did not think it ALL the way through. When people speak Sargeras, I think of the version that tried squeezing himself through the portal in War of the Ancients. Or the avatar that fought Aegwynn. I tend to forget that he is as big as he actually is, since the few times the world has experienced him, he hasn't been full size.
Come on now, guys. Saying that the Gorrible is "too much darkness for the Master Sword to bear" is as silly as it is baseless. In my opinion, the Master Sword dominates Gorrible as an evil weapon, regardless of its destructive power.
Things we know about the Master Sword:
- The Master Sword is the Blade of Evil's Bane, and Sargeras is a corrupted titan. An Axe with properties of Nature was able to cause damage to him. The Master Sword is so much more than that. I would go so far to say that it is Sargeras's perfect weakness, just as it was for Ganondorf based on the properties of his being and will.
- Evil isn't relative. The Master Sword itself decides what is evil, for it possesses a will of it's own and judges for itself.
- The Master Sword is a blade that "evil cannot touch". This stated in multiple games. At base, it is beyond mere "light" or "holy" properties, and is considered something else altogether.
- The Master Sword is able to absorb properties to better serve the wielder. It absorbs the two Twilight suns in TP, takes in the Great Fairy's blessing in LttP, and gathers the entire power of all seven sages in OoT, for a few examples.
- The mere presence of the Master Sword is able to dispel curses that were intended to be permanent.
- The Master Sword is stated and proven to be the force that keeps the Triforce in check.
There is a lot more lore than that, but some may not be relevant to this fight, plus I'm lazy. 😛
Size is still the factor here. It would've been a better fight to have had Link become equal size with Sargeras via Trueforce, and just those two duke it out.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Come on now, guys. Saying that the Gorrible is "too much darkness for the Master Sword to bear" is as silly as it is baseless. In my opinion, the Master Sword dominates Gorrible as an evil weapon, regardless of its destructive power.
Sounds like a No-Limit fallacy. Gorribal is the embodiment of ALL evil that exist. Bane of Evil I can buy, but that sword is LITERALLY the focal point of evil. All evil that exist in all things, no matter how noble, is embodied as Gorribal.
Saying something as simple as "Master Sword will bane Sargeras and Gorribal" is very much a No-Limit fallacy.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Sounds like a No-Limit fallacy. Gorribal is the embodiment of ALL evil that exist. Bane of Evil I can buy, but that sword is LITERALLY the focal point of evil. All evil that exist in all things, no matter how noble, is embodied in Gorribal.Saying something as simple as "Master Sword will bane Sargeras and Gorribal" is very much a No-Limit fallacy.
To say the opposite is even more fallacious. The amount of evil is not a factor to whether the Master Sword is its bane or not.