Deadpool vs Midnighter

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes. He used his skill to leverage his Class 2 strength to redirect a tank shell. Using it as example of strength holds as much water using one of the many examples of Batman (or Captain America) physically damaging someone insanely powerful like Darkseid, as a messure of Bruce's strength.

And just what exactly makes you think that someone would need more than Class 2 strength to beat up some random fodder that lack any durability feats? Am I missing something? 😕

I don't know a fridge weights like 6-700 lbs, I don't know how much a rail road beam weights but I figure its significantly less than a I-Beam. /shrug

You mean the durability to be able to blow through entire buildings and wrestle with Apollo? K.

And I still figure you're ignorant that picking up a train rail is =/= tearing them apart.

Originally posted by Mindset
But he can pick someone up and break their neck with 2 fingers.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, DP wins.

He's a winner.

anyways...... deadpool doesnt need to spit a tooth into concrete to cement his weight class..

again that is also a skill feat. 😉

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
At some point, skill accomplishes only so much unless you're Karate Kid, Gamora or Karnak. A character that wholly revolves around skill. Midnighter isn't all about skill. He has strength as well.

You mean the durability to be able to blow through entire buildings and wrestle with Apollo? K.

And I still figure you're ignorant that picking up a train rails is =/= tearing them apart.

It just doesnt stop

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He'll kick deadpool's head off for a temporary victory

Meh. You could rationalize the tank shell thing as either being so skilled that despite only having Class 2 strength he could redirect the thing, or being so skilled that despite exerting the force to shift its trajectory drastically he didn't cause it to explode. Its ambiguous, and did certainly require some level of strength, but an unquantifiable level as the feat is ordinarily impossible.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
that's what winners do, you know. true story.

anyways...... deadpool doesnt need to spit a tooth into concrete to cement his weight class..

again that is also a skill feat. 😉

Originally posted by 753
It just doesnt stop

http://img372.imageshack.us/i/m4ef6.jpg/

He'll kick deadpool's head off for a temporary victory

DP could again do the same with his own strength..also to let you know Ms. Marvel with her punch only manage to break his neck to which he was able to fix and keep fighting. 😎

DP's got some muscle too...

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Thank you respect thread.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
At some point, skill accomplishes only so much unless you're Karate Kid, Gamora or Karnak. A character that wholly revolves around skill. Midnighter isn't all about skill. He has strength as well.

You mean the durability to be able to blow through entire buildings and wrestle with Apollo? K.

And I still figure you're ignorant that picking up a train rail is =/= tearing them apart.

Midnighter has Class 2 strength, thats where his feats place him. Using the tank shell kick example as a suggestion of more than that that holds as much water using one of the many examples of Batman / Captain America physically damaging someone insanely powerful like Darkseid, as a measure of their strength.

Authority v1 Apollo who was over powered by two horses? And everyone crashes through walls. Daredevil crashes through walls, its no big thing. Hardly something concert in the "super awesome durability category," is it? It's not like they where standing up to Apollo's blows now is it? A mob of the attacked him and pushed Apollo back, knock him through a building or two, and - like I said - dude was over powered by horses back then. He was like Rogue-lite.

I don't know the tensile strength of rusty rail road tracks in a post apocalyptic waste land. You do apparently so let me know how strong he needs to be to accomplish that feat.

Originally posted by 753
It just doesnt stop

http://img372.imageshack.us/i/m4ef6.jpg/

He'll kick deadpool's head off for a temporary victory

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Midnighter has Class 2 strength, thats where his feats place him. Using the tank shell kick example as a suggestion of more than that that holds as much water using one of the many examples of Batman / Captain America physically damaging someone insanely powerful like Darkseid, as a measure of their strength.

Authority v1 Apollo who was over powered by two horses? And everyone crashes through walls. Daredevil crashes through walls, its no big thing. Hardly something concert in the "super awesome durability category," is it? It's not like they where standing up to Apollo's blows now is it? A mob of the attacked him and pushed Apollo back, knock him through a building or two, and - like I said - dude was over powered by horses back then. He was like Rogue-lite.

I don't know the tensile strength of rusty rail road tracks in a post apocalyptic waste land. You do apparently so let me know how strong he needs to be to accomplish that feat.

Crashing through walls =/= blowing through Big Ben and knocking them down along with any other number of buildings across the world.

Stronger than he needs to be to pick up a refrigerator.

Originally posted by Mindset
If you really believe that then you're pretty ignorant in regards to DP.

No, I read everything with him in it. His regeneration is just about the best in comics that doesnt envolve molecular reassemble, but his durabilty isn't. MN punches should penetrate hima nd do a lot of internal damage, hes got the juice to ripe his head off too.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Except if Cap were punching and kicking away tank shells, your jaw would drop not out of an exclamation of "Jesus, where'd he get the extra skill to do that?!" but because you'd ask, "When the hell did he get so fast, durable and strong enough to do that?!"

Not really.

Originally posted by 753
No, I read everything with him in it. He's regeneration is just about the best in comics that doesnt envolve molecular reassemble, but his durabilty isn't.

Really? Because Wade has taken shots by class 100's and kept his limbs together and stayed concious.

^ Ah yes, because if Batman kicked away a fired tank shell tomorrow, your first and only thought would be, "Wow... he became more skilled!" dur

Originally posted by 753
No, I read everything with him in it. His regeneration is just about the best in comics that doesnt envolve molecular reassemble, but his durabilty isn't. MN punches should penetrate hima nd do a lot of internal damage, hes got the juice to ripe his head off too.

If you read everything with DP in it and you think MNer is kicking his head off, then I suggest you invest in some glasses.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Ah yes, because if Batman kicked away a fired tank shell tomorrow, your first and only thought would be, "Wow... he became more skilled!" dur

No. I've just seen Cap. do enough things where I'm just not surprised anymore. Whether I agree with it or not.

Keep reaching though.

Kicking someones head off or ripping out their spine, isn't so much an impressive feat of strength as it is a showcase of the brutality that Wildstorm is aloud to display that is, for the most part, not aloud with in the rating system for the majority DC or Marvel comics. Sure every now and then we get Sentry ripping Ares in half or Sabretooth ripping off someones arm, but that level of gore isn't really common place. Theoritcaly if Captain America or anyone at or above his strength level punched a regular person full force in th face, he'd turn their skull in to dust.

I think the skill/strength discussion is irrelevant, tbh. Midnighter wins a majority because of his calculative ability. I suppose DP might be able to throw that off in a similar fashion to what he did to Taskmaster. But I can't see that happening more often than not, so MNer for the majority.

Obviously any thread involving DP losing is only temporary due to his ridiculous healing, though.

Also, any Apollo feat (good or bad, as both have been cited in this thread) must be in context. He's the most wildly variable of the Authority because he loses his charge quickly. So yes, he can go from innoculating the entire moon with heat vision and lifting skyscrapers and getting knocked around the planet and coming back for more, to getting pwned by horses in a hurry. Please try to not to skew the instances you talk about one way or the other to make MNer seem better/worse.

well we have seen bats do some amazing strength feats but most of us still place him in his human olympic/peak weight class where he deserves to be.batman

other then the few who try to be pass him off as enhanced superhuman.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Except if Cap were punching and kicking away tank shells, your jaw would drop not out of an exclamation of "Jesus, where'd he get the extra skill to do that?!" but because you'd ask, "When the hell did he get so fast, durable and strong enough to do that?!"

Sooooooo... you mean the exact same question - When the hell did he get so fast, durable and strong enough to do that?! - I asked when Midnighter, a man who's best strength feat is lifting a fridge, and who's best speed feat is catching an arrow (twice), kicked a tank shell back? 😕