Originally posted by geshienAh, yes. Cap punching away a fired tank shell in Siege #3 would have you thinking, "Wow. He must have practicing a lot to increase his skill to accomplish that. All without increasing his speed, durability or strength at all!"
No. I've just seen Cap. do enough things where I'm just not surprised anymore. Whether I agree with it or not.Keep reaching though.
I was reaching for your common sense. Unfortunately, it's out of my grasp.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ah, yes. Cap punching away a fired tank shell in Siege #3 would have you thinking, "Wow. He must have practicing a lot to increase his skill to accomplish that. All without increasing his speed, durability or strength at all!"I was reaching for your common sense. Unfortunately, it's out of my grasp.
He has thrown his shield with enough force to out pace a missile and split in two. Do you think this is evidence of Captain America's massive untapped superhuman strength?
Originally posted by Mindset
He has taken hits from Hulk and kept fighting.If you read everything with DP in it and you think MNer is kicking his head off, then I suggest you invest in some glasses.
There is a good measure of PIS in that. DP gets penetrated by bullets and common blades, hulks blows should vaporize him unless hulk is weakened. DP does not have the one piece adamnatium skeleton to keep his skull in place or in one piece
Even if MN couldnt do it with his bare hands, which I believe he could, he certainly could do it with his staffs and blades.
Originally posted by srankmissingninA missile that just lifted off a launch pad and didn't reach higher speeds and the shield only splitting apart the shackles that bound Falcon and not actually the missile itself. Cap throwing his aerodynamic shield at 200 mph to reach a missile travelling at 150 mph with his supersoldier strength is not as far-fetched as Cap punching away a fired tank shell. Stop reaching.
He has thrown his shield with enough force to out pace a missile and split in two. Do you think this is evidence of Captain America's massive untapped superhuman strength?
Originally posted by 753No, there's not, and you don't know what you're talking about, just admit it.
There is a good measure of PIS in that. DP gets penetrated by bullets and common blades, hulks blows should vaporize him unless hulk is weakened. DP does not have the one piece adamnatium skeleton to keep his skull in place or in one pieceEven if MN couldnt do it with his bare hands, which I believe he could, he certainly could do it with his staffs and blades.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ah, yes. Cap punching away a fired tank shell in Siege #3 would have you thinking, "Wow. He must have practicing a lot to increase his skill to accomplish that. All without increasing his speed, durability or strength at all!"I was reaching for your common sense. Unfortunately, it's out of my grasp.
Oooh, sassy. What say you and me catch a movie under the stars?
I'm not disputing that Cap is capable of some of his strength feats. He is after all enhanced.
I would argue that Batman could do the same without some augmentation.
I'm just going off of what you said, which was that one shouldn't be surprised that Cap could hit a shell by skill but rather by strength, which is contrary to what I believe.
Why would I be surprised by that?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sooooooo... you mean the exact same question - When the hell did he get so fast, durable and strong enough to do that?! - I asked when Midnighter, a man who's best strength feat is lifting a fridge, and who's best speed feat is catching an arrow (twice), kicked a tank shell back? 😕
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He was fighting tanks in afghanistan
Originally posted by geshienBatman can punch away a fired tank shell back into a tank without augmentation. Gotcha. 👆
Oooh, sassy. What say you and me catch a movie under the stars?I'm not disputing that Cap is capable of some of his strength feats. He is after all enhanced.
I would argue that Batman could do the same without some augmentation.
I'm just going off of what you said, which was that one shouldn't be surprised that Cap could hit a shell by skill but rather by strength, which is contrary to what I believe.
Why would I be surprised by that?
Considering the painfully transparent gaps in your logic, I'm not surprised at all, honeybuns. 😍
Originally posted by Mindset
No, there's not, and you don't know what you're talking about, just admit it.
There is too and this last post of yours wasnt even an argument. A man who can be decapitated by normal strengh people with normal blades cannot endure blows from a non-weakened hulk. Hulk could crush his skull like a grape with one hand or pummel him into a pool of blood with a single descending blow. There is also nothing in his powerset to explain durability like that, it's character shield.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Kicking someones head off or ripping out their spine, isn't so much an impressive feat of strength as it is a showcase of the brutality that Wildstorm is aloud to display...Theoritcaly if Captain America or anyone at or above his strength level punched a regular person full force in th face, he'd turn their skull in to dust.
Not too sure about this, break a neck, shatter a jaw into tiny pieces, fracture a skull with a single blow sure, but rip a skull and spine like that...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A missile that just lifted off a launch pad and didn't reach higher speeds and the shield only splitting apart the shackles that bound Falcon and not actually the missile itself. Cap throwing his aerodynamic shield at 200 mph to reach a missile travelling at 150 mph with his supersoldier strength is not as far-fetched as Cap punching away a fired tank shell. Stop reaching.
How about when Superman tossed Shazam at Batman and Bruce kicked him then into the side of a mountain? Did you think that was about Batman's awesome reserve of unfathomable strength?
Also, it sure is nice that you know that exact speed of that missile, so we can discredit feats! Any other numbers you'd like to make up while your at it?
Originally posted by 753
Not too sure about this, break a neck, shatter a jaw into tiny pieces, fracture a skull with a single blow sure, but rip a skull and spine like that...
Watch some of the weapon tests they do on that Deadliest Warrior tv than then imagine if they where massively more skilled and about 5 times stronger. Captain America could turn a human skull into paste with a single blow, if his strength depicted accurately... and busting up skulls was something he was comfortable doing.
Originally posted by srankmissingninIt was about Shazam playing possum.
How about when Superman tossed Shazam at Batman and Bruce kicked him then into the side of a mountain? Did you think that was about Batman's awesome reserve of unfathomable strength?Also, it sure is nice that you know that exact speed of that missile, so we can discredit feats! Any other numbers you'd like to make up while your at it?
Also, it sure is nice that you would make a shallow jab at an offhanded estimation without providing an argument as to why it would be unreasonable or even provide your own estimation (not to mention misinterpreting the feat)! Any other attempts at posturing you'd like to present?
Originally posted by 753It wasn't an argument? Ok, then what is claiming MN can kick DP head off w/o any basis for your statement called?
There is too and this last post of yours wasnt even an argument. A man who can be decapitated by normal strengh people with normal blades cannot endure blows from a non-weakened hulk. Hulk could crush his skull like a grape with one hand or pummel him into a pool of blood with a single descending blow. There is also nothing in his powerset to explain durability like that, it's character shield.
When has someone of normal human strength decapitated by a kicking him?
Apparently, Hulk can't crush his skull with a punch. This also isn't the only time DP has been hit with a great amount of force and been alright.
Who cares if there's nothing in his powerset that explains his durability, it IS a part of his powerset, and you'd be dense to try and deny it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It was about Shazam playing possum.Also, it sure is nice that you would make a shallow jab at an offhanded estimation without providing an argument as to why it would be unreasonable or even provide your own estimation (not to mention misinterpreting the feat)! Any other attempts at posturing you'd like to present?
I'm not really concerned with the outcome of the fight. Superman tossed Shazam, Batman altered the trajectory with a kick, and the force of the landing caused Shazam to temporally revert back into Billy however briefly.
I don't feel like making up numbers, but if I'm going to just make up random numbers, maybe I'm going to assume it can reach escape velocity. Which is what? 11km a second?
Originally posted by Mindset
It wasn't an argument? Ok, then what is claiming MN can kick DP head off w/o any basis for your statement called?When has someone of normal human strength decapitated by a kicking him?
Apparently, Hulk can't crush his skull with a punch. This also isn't the only time DP has been hit with a great amount of force and been alright.
Who cares if there's nothing in his powerset that explains his durability, it IS a part of his powerset, and you'd be dense to try and deny it.
I do have a basis, he's effortlessly done it to other people and DP isnt ultra-durable outside his HF.
MN does not have normal human strengh. And I never said anyone with normal human strengh can decapitate him with a kick to the head.
The hulk thing is just character shield. Hulk opens titanic craters with his punches, crushes boulders in his hands, levels buildings, has effortlessly squeezed a man into pulp with one hand, that's all if he's feeling fairly relaxed. DP is only that tough to hurt when fighting characters like that to keep the fight interesting.
If it makes you feel any better MN will not take DP's head off as effortlessly as he did the no name characters, but it should still be within his power class to pull limbs off from DP or take his head off.
Originally posted by 753
I do have a basis, he's effortlessly done it to other people and DP isnt ultra-durable outside his HF.MN does not have normal human strengh. And I never said anyone with normal human strengh can decapitate him with a kick to the head.
The hulk thing is just character shield. Hulk opens titanic craters with his punches, crushes boulders in his hands, levels buildings, has effortlessly squeezed a man into pulp with one hand, that's all if he's feeling fairly relaxed. DP is only that tough to hurt when fighting characters like that to keep the fight interesting.
If it makes you feel any better MN will not take DP's head off as effortlessly as he did the no name characters, but it should still be within his power class to pull limbs off from DP or take his head off.
Once again, its with well with in the strength every one class 2 above to the exact same thing. Deadpool is class 2 character.
