FF8 Party v.s. Ganondorf

Started by kmnick40 pages

I have killed Ganondorf with Jigglypuff.

Originally posted by kmnick
I have killed Ganondorf with Jigglypuff.

Sakurai invades the thread again. Sorry Shin, your thread now has a disease, and must be put down.

I hope the Ultimecia fad dies down soon. She doesn't deserve this much attention.

Ganon can reliably defend against Link's sword attacks, which are clocked at under 0.1 seconds.

Probably gameplay mechanic. Also, where are you getting that number from? Finally, running around the planet in 5 seconds> 0.1 secs strikes.

but Midna hit Ganon so hard the castle around him exploded, and Ganondorf was totally unharmed.

No she didn't, she seemed like she would strike him, the screen faded to white, we move to where Link and Zelda are, theres a medium sized explosion, like the kind all high level FF8 magic would do and then we see Ganon standing on a hill while the castle callapses in on itself. Its not a feat for anyone becuase we don't know what happened at all.

Probably gameplay mechanic. Also, where are you getting that number from? Finally, running around the planet in 5 seconds> 0.1 secs strikes.
Actually this comes from a cutscene.

No she didn't, she seemed like she would strike him, the screen faded to white, we move to where Link and Zelda are, theres a medium sized explosion, like the kind all high level FF8 magic would do and then we see Ganon standing on a hill while the castle callapses in on itself. Its not a feat for anyone becuase we don't know what happened at all.
Actually, the castle exploded, you can see chunks of debris flying and everything, immediately after we see Midna bring her spear down on Ganon.

Guess what, we don't see Link impale Ganondorf either, but we know it happens.

Actually, the castle exploded, you can see chunks of debris flying and everything, immediately after we see Midna bring her spear down on Ganon.

Actually, theres a significant delay of, like, 20 seconds in real time, but I don't know how fast that black thingy goes so it could be 20 hours for all we know.

Ganon's also a giant firery head for some reason and then, in your version, a man on a horse on a hill 2 seconds later, so unless your claiming that he changed into a man, jumped on his horse, picked up Midna's crown thing, got to the hill and posed dramatically all in under 3 seconds, all off screen which of course you'd be unable to prove becuase we seriously have no idea what happens, I'm sticking with the non feat theory.

Given we know that he can teleport, and there's time between the explosion and when we see him onthe hill, it's not exactly hard to put 2+2 together, is it?

Trying to deny a character a feat? That's nothing but bias.

No, becuase I youtubed it becuase its actually an awesome feat that would be really annoying to argue against if it were true so I watched it so I could find something to nitpick about it and lo and behold there was enough ambiquity to make Watchman have a nerdgasm. Not only does it happen off screen and have a massive delays between when it happens to when the 'effects', if it was the effects of that, are shown, but it doesn't actually make sense.

Now if thats bias, then I just don't know what is 😕

Also, he's have had to beat Midna in those 3 seconds too.

edit: heres the sceen, so people know I'm not just talking out of my ass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDSPEfyrnwc

And I apoligise (DAMN YOU NO SPELL CHECK!) for my rantish mood.

YouTube video
1:56, Link and Zelda are teleported outside.
2:26, Midna attacks
2:35, cuts back in time to the teleported Link and Zelda arriving in the field.
2:53, Hyrule Castle explodes.

Ganon had atleast 18 seconds to defeat Midna, which he's been able to do in an instant before, and teleport outside.

No, becuase the explosion only happened 3 seconds before Ganon appeared, which means that either Midna's strike didn't cause the explosion, or my above scenario.

Please explain your logic.

When Ganon appears has no bearing on anything. It cuts back in time a little ways to when Link and Zelda teleported. Midna has 18 seconds atleast to blow up the castle, more if you go by the length of the scene inside. After this, Ganon can defeat her in an instant, and teleport outside, easy.

You claimed that Ganon tanked a strike that destroyed Hyrule castle, the explosion that happens at 2.53, completely unharmed, as he appears at 2.58. You are claiming that this is the strike that Midna unleashed at 2.26. If it was as you claim, Midna would have had to have struck at 2.53, which is when Hyrule castle blows up, then Ganon would have had to have defeated Midna, turned back into a man, picked up Midnas hat, gotten on his horse, teleported outside and struck a dramatic pose in around 4 seconds.

Though really, it doesn't matter if it could or couldn't have happened becuase it happens off screen, so we have no idea if it does happen. You are merely supposing it happened becuase it makes Ganon look badass. For all we know a drunken midget could have staggered in and ejaculated the explosion out of his ears. We don't even know if Midna hit. We. Don't. Know. Thats why off screen feats are so pathetic, becuase we don't know how it happened or even if it really did happen. If Toad defeated Satan off screen in a fistfight it might have been becuase hes a badass, or it might have been becuase Satan had a fatal stroke 1 second in. We just don't know.

You claimed that Ganon tanked a strike that destroyed Hyrule castle, the explosion that happens at 2.53, completely unharmed, as he appears at 2.58. You are claiming that this is the strike that Midna unleashed at 2.26. If it was as you claim, Midna would have had to have struck at 2.53, which is when Hyrule castle blows up, then Ganon would have had to have defeated Midna, turned back into a man, picked up Midnas hat, gotten on his horse, teleported outside and struck a dramatic pose in around 4 seconds.

Firstly, as I said, the scene jumps back in time to the teleport, and Midna destroys the castle by attacking Ganon, who is unharmed. This is the entire point of the scene: Ganon > Midna. We know exactly what was happening, we even see her spear come down. To believe anythign other than what the scene is explicitly showing is what happened is foolish.

Also, Ganon can move across a room and disintegrate someone with a punch before anyone even realises he's moving in another cutscene, for him to beat her, which he's done in less than a second before, snag her hat, and teleport isn't a big deal in four seconds at all.

The entire second half of your post is basicly:
Even though we know Midna attacks Ganon, and we know the castle explodes, and we know Ganon was inside, we should ignore the feat because it whites out.

It also doesn't show Link impaling Ganon, but we know he does that, I suppose we should assume a midget ejaculated swords out of his ears, too?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
YouTube video
1:56, Link and Zelda are teleported outside.
2:26, Midna attacks
2:35, cuts back in time to the teleported Link and Zelda arriving in the field.
2:53, Hyrule Castle explodes.

Ganon had atleast 18 seconds to defeat Midna, which he's been able to do in an instant before, and teleport outside.

It looked like Midna and Ganondorf clashed together, made the explosion, and Midna went down because Ganon's attack was stronger. It only makes more sense that way.

We never even see Ganondorf attack. 😬

and Midna destroys the castle by attacking Ganon,

Can't prove it, didn't see it happen etc etc


Even though we know Midna attacks Ganon, and we know the castle explodes, and we know Ganon was inside, we should ignore the feat because it whites out.

👆

It also doesn't show Link impaling Ganon, but we know he does that, I suppose we should assume a midget ejaculated swords out of his ears, too?

This is the second time you've said this so I'm actually going to ask how we know he does it? If its that we just see him attack with a asword, cut to white then sometime later see Ganon with a sword in him, then you are incorrect becuase there are a number of ways we can get to scene C from scene A without passing B. A sword ejaculating midget is but one of the millions of possibilities taht exist.

Can't prove it, didn't see it happen etc etc
It's the ENTIRE point of the cutscene. 😐

Also, you thumbs up'd a sarcastic remark that was intentionally designed to sound foolish.

This is the second time you've said this so I'm actually going to ask how we know he does it? If its that we just see him attack with a asword, cut to white then sometime later see Ganon with a sword in him, then you are incorrect becuase there are a number of ways we can get to scene C from scene A without passing B. A sword ejaculating midget is but one of the millions of possibilities taht exist.

We see Link jump in the air with his sword, and then, guess what, we don't see him make contact, just like the Midna scene, and then immediately after, Ganon is pinned underneath Link, with a sword through him.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
We never even see Ganondorf attack. 😬

He doesn't have arms in that form so he must've charged and used spiritual form to match Midna's attack.

Now you're making assumptions to try and veer away from the obvious conclusion. 😬

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Now you're making assumptions to try and veer away from the obvious conclusion. 😬

Your making assumptions as well. The only conclusion is that the castle exploded and Ganondorf beat Midna.