Mister X vs Spider-Man

Originally posted by namorsubby
http://img25.imageshack.us/i/tbolts13613.jpg/

yet another flaw with Mr.X and his "ability".

in his own description, he states his reflexes automatically map onto an oppponents brain waves. Now, with him being human and all, how does that mean that he can outreact someone who's reflexes are 20 times his superior? The fact is, mr.X is human......and if his power worked the way many imply, he'd be able to easily outfight the most agile character or the fastest superspeedster.......flash would be a breeze for him.....he'd be outmanuvering his every move, every step of the way, even in close h2h combat.

X never anywhere stated that his reflexes will always being able to outmatch those who they "map onto".......no where does he state he can be as fast as any opponent's reaction.......but that's what many fans have been saying one way or another.......you guys kind of just took that description and ran with it, and now it's become something else entirely.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1884/feat26equipmentjp4.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5061/feat5equipmentye0.jpg
To make a long story short, spidey uses webbing as quickly and as large as in those scans and fixes him to a tree, wall, the ground, etc........then gives him a small tap on the forehead for the KO.lol

good scans though

Dear God I'll have to be sure not to say Wolverine around KMC anymore, lol. Battlehammer I'll look at the scans, maybe there was something I missed, but I do strongly recall his bones on his blades beings stronger. Also I was simply using a comparison I wasn't even talking about any direct coorelation. The old and less busy me would love to sit around for hours picking your post apart but I simply don't have the time. I'm sorry I made you angry by saying Wolverine. I'll try to come on later, as I am in college all day and class starts soon.

Originally posted by rotiart
why the hell is it when i go into a thread and i see battlehammer responding, its about characters that aren't in a thread.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Dear God I'll have to be sure not to say Wolverine around KMC anymore,
lol.

lol

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Battlehammer I'll look at the scans, maybe there was something I missed,

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
but I do strongly recall his bones on his blades beings stronger.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Also I was simply using a comparison I wasn't even talking about any direct coorelation.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The old and less busy me would love to sit around for hours picking your post apart but I simply don't have the time.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm sorry I made you angry by saying Wolverine. I'll try to come on later, as I am in college all day and class starts soon.

Originally posted by namorsubby
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1884/feat26equipmentjp4.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5061/feat5equipmentye0.jpg
To make a long story short, spidey uses webbing as quickly and as large as in those scans and fixes him to a tree, wall, the ground, etc........then gives him a small tap on the forehead for the KO.lol

Originally posted by Battlehammer
This is a joke right? I mean I wanna laugh becuase I am like 70 percent sure your kidding, but for some reason I could see this being one of those times I miss read when some one is joking and when there not.

the "small tap" thing was a joke, but yes I do believe spidey could end this fight convincingly with a large amount of webbing.

I thought at first it was just Logan, but you over-rate any wolverine-related character to ridiculous proportions.

Try addressing this:

http://img25.imageshack.us/i/tbolts13613.jpg/

yet another flaw with Mr.X and his "ability".

in his own description, he states his reflexes automatically map onto an oppponents brain waves. Now, with him being human and all, how does that mean that he can outreact someone who's reflexes are 20 times his superior? The fact is, mr.X is human......and if his power worked the way many imply, he'd be able to easily outfight the most agile character or the fastest superspeedster.......flash would be a breeze for him.....he'd be outmanuvering his every move, every step of the way, even in close h2h combat.

X never anywhere stated that his reflexes will always being able to outmatch those who they "map onto".......no where does he state he can be as fast as any opponent's reaction.......but that's what many fans have been saying one way or another.......you guys kind of just took that description and ran with it, and now it's become something else entirely.

Originally posted by namorsubby
The whole concept of X's ability is a joke if you ask me, but that's besides the point

Originally posted by namorsubby
he "small tap" thing was a joke, but yes I do believe spidey could end this fight convincingly with a large amount of webbing.

Originally posted by namorsubby

I thought at first it was just Logan, but you over-rate any wolverine-related character to ridiculous proportions.

Originally posted by namorsubby

Try addressing this:
http://img25.imageshack.us/i/tbolts13613.jpg/

I don’t know what’s worse, the fact your so behind on the curb and think this is some new scan that will baffle me or the fact you think I never seen that scan which is from an issue I owned for months now. How it feels to be like 4 months behind the curb?

Addresses what? That X gave a statement about one of his powers?

Hey since you seem to be very behind the ball here another statement made about the same power, but more scientific answer is giving.

Originally posted by namorsubby

yet another flaw with Mr.X and his "ability".

Why did you just ”ability” I don’t get it. I don’t even think you have a clue about what you’re talking about.

Originally posted by namorsubby

in his own description, he states his reflexes automatically map onto an oppponents brain waves. Now, with him being human and all, how does that mean that he can outreact someone who's reflexes are 20 times his superior?

You do understand he a mutant right? Yea unless you did not get the whole memo or anything, because it really seems like you have no idea wtf your talking about. I mean if I had to guess I have to say you never read a single issue with him in it and if you did it was only the IF which would explain a lot. I mean I never understood how some one with zero knowledge on a character could go around talking about the character and stating things like Spiderman 20 times faster reflexes as facts. You do realize that just because you spew something out, as a fact does not make it so? I mean you do realize your full of shit and are 100% wrong?

You know I like to believe you don’t believe the shit that some times comes out of your posts, but if you honestly do believe the shit you spew out as fact, you really are one of the most pompous A holes I have ever encountered, and you must have your head so far up your ass that your hair is literally your on shit.

It like dam man how can you have such a cocky attitude and believe the shit you come up with? I mean it astounds me. I mean do you just have no desire to know about what you’re talking about? Or are you just that lazy. Or do you just not read comics and run around an pretend like master bruce.

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Originally posted by namorsubby

Also what makes this even dumber, is you don’t even mean he human, you mean he
The fact is, mr.X is human.

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Originally posted by namorsubby

.....and if his power worked the way many imply, he'd be able to easily outfight the most agile character or the fastest superspeedster.......flash would be a breeze for him.....he'd be outmanuvering his every move, every step of the way, even in close h2h combat.

X never anywhere stated that his reflexes will always being able to outmatch those who they "map onto".......no where does he state he can be as fast as any opponent's reaction.......but that's what many fans have been saying one way or another.......you guys kind of just took that description and ran with it, and now it's become something else entirely.

I have no idea what the **** your talking about.

“You guys” ? Don’t lop me in with idiot like you who simply state what ever they like no matter how full of shit they are. I never stated any such nonsense and I never seen anyone state anything like this, but glad to know that I got people like you pretending I agree with such nonsense’s. Hell I be less then surprised if that’s some shit u made up in your head.

lol, please dude, gain some composure and learn to debate respectfully. You sound like a 5 year old throwing a hissy fit.

for shame 😆

Thunderbolts #138........X can't read Scourge's sporadic, voice plagued mind. I've seen enough contradiction to know X simply over-exaggerated his ability with his self-description.......I mean, he is a pompous, arrogant jerk.lol

edit:

Not once has it been stated that X's reflexes are superhuman. His only power is low level telepathy. His ability creates the illusion of superhuman reaction time, but he can't simply just outmatch any opponents reflexes simply because he's able to read them through telepathy. I used a perfect example earlier with the flash. If his powers worked the way you're pushing them, he'd simply be able to outmatch anyone reflex wise, no matter how fast.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, please dude, gain some composure and learn to debate respectfully. You sound like a 5 year old throwing a hissy fit.

for shame 😆

what you don't like getting call on your rediculous bull shit statements? how about you try actually reading some comic then?

Originally posted by namorsubby

Thunderbolts #138........X can't read Scourge's sporadic, voice plagued mind.

That is because he is plagued with numerous different voices in his head. He not even a single person. He numerous individual memories combined with machine in a single body.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I've seen enough contradiction

Your problem is you keep assuming what his powers are with out knowing. But it makes it all the funnier to watch you make ignorant comment after ignorant comment.

Originally posted by namorsubby
to know X simply over-exaggerated his ability with his self-description.......I mean, he is a pompous, arrogant jerk.lol

Thats funny becuase I posted a scan which had shield stating the same thing.

not only are you ignorant but you dont even bother to comprehend what is shown to you.

Originally posted by namorsubby
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Not once has it been stated that X's reflexes are superhuman. His only power is low level telepathy. His ability creates the illusion of superhuman reaction time,

This is even funnier because you say it never been stated so that means he does not posses it, but then readily ignore powers that have been stated that he has.......constricting your self much?

I mean it not like X in his first apearences ever easily dodge and blocked a superhuman. It not like X has deflected individual gun firer with the ease, it not like he effortlessly caught arrows, dart ect. oh wait he has........

🙄

Originally posted by namorsubby
but he can't simply just outmatch any opponents reflexes simply because he's able to read them through telepathy. I used a perfect example earlier with the flash. If his powers worked the way you're pushing them, he'd simply be able to outmatch anyone reflex wise, no matter how fast.

This is just sad honestly. Are you really this stupid?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
This is fresh coming from the same person who stated as a fact that spiderman is 20 times faster reaction speed......

what you don't like getting call on your rediculous bull shit statements? how about you try actually reading some comic then?

Do you even know who he actually is?

That is because he is plagued with numerous different voices in his head. He not even a single person. He numerous individual memories combined with machine in a single body.

Really and what were theses contradictions?

Your problem is you keep assuming what his powers are with out knowing. But it makes it all the funnier to watch you make ignorant comment after ignorant comment.

Thats funny becuase I posted a scan which had shield stating the same thing.

not only are you ignorant but you dont even bother to comprehend what is shown to you.

Thanos has never been stated on pannel with superhuman reflexes among numerous other character, so what we simply assume then don't have it?

This is even funnier because you say it never been stated so that means he does not posses it, but then readily ignore powers that have been stated that he has.......constricting your self much?

I mean it not like X in his first apearences ever easily dodge and blocked a superhuman. It not like X has deflected individual gun firer with the ease, it not like he effortlessly caught arrows, dart ect. oh wait he has........

🙄

Again with the gibberish comment. I have never once implied or said anything of the sort.

This is just sad honestly. Are you really this stupid?

okay, one.........learn to debate like an adult. You can disagree with me all you want and even believe what I say is complete gibberish, but throwing around unprovoked insults is nothing less than immature, and frankly, very stupid on your part. This is a comic-book related discussion on a website, nothing more. Keep it clean.....and grow up.

Now:

1. spidey's reflexes are 20 times faster than human limits. X is human reflex-wise, even though he has a mutant ability, like cyclops, except for his mutant ability can make it seem as if he can really match speed with metas

2.I mentioned Scourge's name and uploaded that scan from my own personal pics....so yes, I know him.lol

why should that matter if his power works how he says it does? multiple people are in a mind,yes, but he can still only think and enact one move at a time, since he has one body.lol, X should, according to his description, be able to read him just fine.

3. In that issue you posted, in the page right after the one scan you showed, didn't a member of the thunderbolts say "you can't always believe what you hear in a shield file"? go ahead and say yes.lol

shield probably got the info from his own self-description.....who else would they get it from?

4.check a handbook, basically Thanos's everything is superhuman to the highest level. X's reflexes are not. besides, am I really supposed to believe that you've read every thanos appearance and clearly remember that superhuman reflexes were never mentioned for him...get real.

5. lol, like I've said a million times, it's his telepathy....not superhuman speed.

If he does have superhuman speed sufficient enough to match metas along with his power(no), where would you draw the line then, since no one's made it a point to mention it in a handboook or make it official(even though he's been featured in one).So he can map onto spidey's reflexes and has sufficient speed to outmatch them(unproven), but not a character like....let's say quicksilver or flash? This is why you can't simply assume he has a certain level of superhuman speed, because if it's unstated and uncategorized, how then would you know who's it could match up to?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Mister H1a8 annoys me a lot, I can’t understand how he logically even comes to his conclusions, he tends to contradicted his lines of reasoning from debate to debate, which would not be so noticeable if it was not the same character he debating for. Did not mean to be so harsh to a friend I apologies

It is a contradiction for Spidey to be dodging machine gun fire and get hit by something singular and slower. Contradictions can't exist in reality or debate. Otherwise nothing could get solved.

Spidey can sense danger before it occurs (pre cog). This contradicts him not doing it.

In this forum he must fight to his best abilities. That means for every attack he will pre sense it. That means he will have the speed of a bullet or greater. That means

he beats X 10/10 by merely dodging one of his attacks and countering with a combo to ko.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's because u are not logical but bias. My logic is clear. I don't tend to contradict myself. I make mistakes but admit to them but never do I contradict myself.

It is a contradiction for Spidey to be dodging machine gun fire and get hit by something singular and slower. Contradictions can't exist in reality or debate. Otherwise nothing could get solved.

Spidey can sense danger before it occurs (pre cog). This contradicts him not doing it.

In this forum he must fight to his best abilities. That means for every attack he will pre sense it. That means he will have the speed of a bullet or greater. That means

he beats X 10/10 by merely dodging one of his attacks and countering with a combo to ko.

But yeah, here on this thread, characters fight to the best of their abilities, meaning spidey would do what he has to do to win(unless it's outside their character). I had already mentioned to Battlehammer how spidey could easily win with webbing.......and he pretty much agreed except for he said it wouldn't be likely for spidey to do so.Well, here, since everyone does what they need to to win, it's extremely likely, right? lol, but try explaining that to him.......

Originally posted by namorsubby
okay, one.........learn to debate like an adult. You can disagree with me all you want and even believe what I say is complete gibberish, but throwing around unprovoked insults is nothing less than immature, and frankly, very stupid on your part. This is a comic-book related discussion on a website, nothing more. Keep it clean.....and grow up.

Now:

Originally posted by namorsubby
1. spidey's reflexes are 20 times faster than human limits. X is human reflex-wise, even though he has a mutant ability, like cyclops, except for his mutant ability can make it seem as if he can really match speed with metas

Listen carefully the guy has displayed since day one to easily keep up with superhuman reflex and combat speed, this is a fact.

Originally posted by namorsubby
2.I mentioned Scourge's name and uploaded that scan from my own personal pics....so yes, I know him.lol

Originally posted by namorsubby

why should that matter if his power works how he says it does? multiple people are in a mind,yes, but he can still only think and enact one move at a time, since he has one body.lol, X should, according to his description, be able to read him just fine.

Originally posted by namorsubby

3. In that issue you posted, in the page right after the one scan you showed, didn't a member of the thunderbolts say "you can't always believe what you hear in a shield file"? go ahead and say yes.lol

Originally posted by namorsubby

shield probably got the info from his own self-description.....who else would they get it from?

Come on now you can come up with better ways to try ignore feats then this. That was just pathetic.

Originally posted by namorsubby

4.check a handbook, basically Thanos's everything is superhuman to the highest level. X's reflexes are not. besides, am I really supposed to believe that you've read every thanos appearance and clearly remember that superhuman reflexes were never mentioned for him...get real.

Yea here the difference between you and me I uses comic as my resources, you base your knowledge on hand books.

Oh and guess what? Hand books are not even allowed as evidence on the board.

Don’t believe me go ask pr the mod.

Originally posted by namorsubby

5. lol, like I've said a million times, it's his telepathy....not superhuman speed.

tell that to task master

tell that to wolverine
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/page21.jpg

and tell that to black widow

Originally posted by namorsubby

If he does have superhuman speed sufficient enough to match metas along with his power(no), where would you draw the line then, since no one's made it a point to mention it in a handboook or make it official(even though he's been featured in one).

You also don’t even understand how inaccurate they are. With out even looking at the hand book x was in (which was wolverine 2004) I can tell you 5 incorrect statements and at least 3 contradictions it made to it self……you understand how retarded you look trying to uses something that contradicted it self……..

We uses on panel evidence here. X has since day one shown to been superhuman in reflexes and speed. Your refusal to acknowledge this does not say anything against me or him, but is reflection on your on ignorance.

Originally posted by namorsubby

o he can map onto spidey's reflexes and has sufficient speed to outmatch them(unproven),

and he far less showings but based on what has been shown yes he has the reflexes to match him. This can be proven with his feats. Are they better no, are they good enough to keep pace, hell ****ing yes.

Originally posted by namorsubby

but not a character like....let's say quicksilver or flash?

Originally posted by namorsubby

This is why you can't simply assume he has a certain level of superhuman speed, because if it's unstated and uncategorized, how then would you know who's it could match up to?

Originally posted by h1a8
That's because u are not logical but bias. My logic is clear. I don't tend to contradict myself. I make mistakes but admit to them but never do I contradict myself.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is a contradiction for Spidey to be dodging machine gun fire and get hit by something singular and slower. Contradictions can't exist in reality or debate. Otherwise nothing could get solved.

Or did you forget that those same characters you say to slow to hit spiderman and would get stomp, also have dodge bullets which would make spiderman hitting them to also contradict the same logic you are using?

no of course not, because you so call logical reasoning is so one sided it rediculous.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spidey can sense danger before it occurs (pre cog). This contradicts him not doing it.

You take spiderman as you wish he was potrayed not how he is, was or ever will be.

Originally posted by h1a8
In this forum he must fight to his best abilities. That means for every attack he will pre sense it. That means he will have the speed of a bullet or greater. That means

Within his character personality and limitations some thing you never seen able to grasp. Nor do you ever seem able to grasp then the other characters are potrayed at there best as well

Your very one sided in your line of thinking

Originally posted by h1a8
he beats X 10/10 by merely dodging one of his attacks and countering with a combo to ko.

Originally posted by namorsubby
he is irrational and very emotional when it comes to his favorite characters, is he not? lol

this is priceless your talking about me being irrational but you called spiderman 20 times superior in reaction speed, and are making buddy buddy with the only idioted more rediculous then you with the astounding 69 times faster........you two are made for eachother

You're the only one displaying ignorance, BH, because you're the only one who can't refrain from insulting a poster whom you can't seem to agree with.lol

when you said, "go ahead and take a look, stupid" someways up, I literally laughed out loud for a few moments........that's sounds exactly like something a 3rd grader would say.

Anywho, Spidey FTW IMO. BH's probable response to this statement?:

"Yeah, you say that cause you're stupid and dumb and stuff" lol, he's quite a character.

Originally posted by namorsubby
You're the only one displaying ignorance, BH, because you're the only one who can't refrain from insulting a poster whom you can't seem to agree with.lol

It has nothing to do with agreeing or not, I dont agree with Sam and we have no problem, because he knows what he talking about and does not make dumb ass comments like spidy 20 times faster and ignored how characters have been portrait.

Originally posted by namorsubby
when you said, "go ahead and take a look, stupid" someways up, I literally laughed out loud for a few moments........that's sounds exactly like something a 3rd grader would say.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Anywho, Spidey FTW IMO. BH's probable response to this statement?:

"Yeah, you say that cause you're stupid and dumb and stuff" lol, he's quite a character.

Naw see I insult you becuase your ignorant and have no idea what your stating. Who you think wins has no baring on why I think your ignorant. I think you are, because you prove you are.

I notice how once the evidence comes out you want no part of the arguement. funny no?

that'll do, Battlehammer........that'll do.❌ 😆

Originally posted by namorsubby
that'll do, Battlehammer........that'll do.❌ 😆

evidence posted>>>ignorant believe that x has normal human reflex speed.......