CIS-less: Flash vs. Silver Surfer vs. Superman vs. Thor

Started by Ambient9 pages

Originally posted by Galan007
Heh, there were extenuating circumstances behind a few of those feats. So the fact that you still chose to acknowledge them in lieu of that leads me to believe Surfer's absorption feats aren't as plentiful or as uber as you're claiming.

Like what? Tell me what were the extenuating circumstance behind some of the feats i mentioned? I think those i mentioned are quite fair.. I could have said a few more however i don't feel the need to mention anything that i think are far lesser than what i've seen of Thor. + Too lazy to type all the details for all those feats..

Say how about i ask you similar question of Thor.. What makes his absorbing feat uber than Surfer?

Post scans or an issue number of what is in your opinion Silver Surfer's most impressive absorbing feat. I will then post what I think is Thor's.

I have to go right now, but I'm interested in seeing the result. I really have not seen feats from Silver Surfer to put him on par with Mjolnir in this category.

Agh! Kay maybe later..

How about the unilord saga.. lol Most empressive one his done..

Originally posted by Ambient
Like what? Tell me what were the extenuating circumstance behind some of the feats i mentioned?
Well for starters, Molecule Man a.) allowed Surfer to absorb his powers, and b.) was drastically weakened from his battle with Beyonder -- here's a statement from Owen just prior to lending Surfer his power:
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7818/mm1e.jpg

Yeah, weak as hell.

Absorbing a BH? Cool, but not overly impressive.

As for the Crunch incident: channeling it's energies for a few seconds literally killed Surfer. Had Galactus not intervened he would have stayed that way.

I think there was one more thing you mentioned, but I can't remember it off hand... It was probably sketchy too, though. 😛

Didn't take as long as i expected..

here's one..

Feeding MM more energy then absorbing all and some of it back..
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5923/ssww6.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/i/ssfj0.jpg/
http://img181.imageshack.us/i/ss1xt9.jpg/

Here's from the Unilord - saga.

Absorbs the Unilord's blast and return it a million X over..
http://img68.imageshack.us/i/unilord4fk0.jpg/

Him absorbing the Unilord's energies..
http://img75.imageshack.us/i/unilord5bx8.jpg/
http://img75.imageshack.us/i/unilord6oq6.jpg/
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade2.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade3.jpg

Draws energies from a blackhole..
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2585/mcp5030ampinghh6.jpg

Absorbs energies being fired..
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4230/silversurferv3103p18sa8.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6012/silversurferv3103p17qd1.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9425/silversurferv3103p19ox6.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Well for starters, Molecule Man a.) allowed Surfer to absorb his powers, and b.) was drastically weakened from his battle with Beyonder -- here's a statement from Owen just prior to lending Surfer his power:
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7818/mm1e.jpg

Yeah, weak as hell.


I thought we were just talkin about absorbing capacity..

I mentioned this said so feat because even at his weakest he was still capable, considering his powers was the only thing holding the Planet together.. Was it not Surfer that lend Owen Energies and according to Owen Surfer could have absorbed all of his remaining power, very impressive i might add..

Originally posted by Galan007
I think there was one more thing you mentioned, but I can't remember it off hand... It was probably sketchy too, though. 😛

Yeah, thats just you man 😱 ..

Originally posted by Starscream M
can't surfer create blackholes?

blackholes are far more destructive and devastating in power than a godblast.

Galactus and his heralds have effortlessly walk through black holes. however Thor's Godblast was able to hurt Galactus

Originally posted by Starscream M
hopefully, you realize how ridiculous it is to take those scans literally.
You aren't very familiar with him, are you?

CIS-free Surfer takes this... it's just so easy to forget just how monumentally powerful he is... he's got the speed, he's got the overall power, he's got the versatility, he's got the cosmic awareness (itself the single most decisive factor in any forums battle, imo) and he's got the imagination (the most skilled herald bar none).

Originally posted by 753
Is he?
As I understand it, only the Olympians are truly immortal, not the Asgardians. But...Thor's close enough. Besides, "beyond mortal AND immortal ken" didn't sound as cliche or shlocky as the plain ol' "beyond mortal ken."

Superman
he closelines flash, spears thor, ground and pounds ss

People have mentioned how riding the crunch killed the surfer as if it takes anything away from the feat in comparison to thor's energy absorption and manipulation feats, but I honestly dont see thor doing any better at all there.

Besides, that wasnt an overload of energy, it doesnt show a quantity limit for him, it was the nature of the crunch energies that burned him. The amount of energy he pulled, also factoring its nature of course, killed two galactus-like beings, so it doesnt matter if it's a plot device, the scale of the feat is still massive and the fact that he managed to wield the crunch at all says a lot about his sophistication in manipulating energy.

SS's still the best multitasker and the more refined energy manipulator here, so I give him the edge.

Originally posted by Mindship
As I understand it, only the Olympians are truly immortal, not the Asgardians. But...Thor's close enough. Besides, "beyond mortal AND immortal ken" didn't sound as cliche or shlocky as the plain ol' "beyond mortal ken."

Thats what I thought, both phrases are still pretty cheesy though.

look at this match-up as a CPU test:
Superman = DualCore, 6MB cache, 4Ghz*
Flash = P4, 1MB cache, 8Ghz+*
Thor = Core i5, 4MB cache, 1.8Ghz*
Surfer = Core i7, 6MB cache, 8Ghz*

(yeah, the speeds don't exist right now but ...)

Originally posted by janus77
CIS-free Surfer takes this... it's just so easy to forget just how monumentally powerful he is... he's got the speed, he's got the overall power, he's got the versatility, he's got the cosmic awareness (itself the single most decisive factor in any forums battle, imo) and he's got the imagination (the most skilled herald bar none).
This is sort of what I was initially hinting: I wouldn't even know where to begin in terms of listing Surfer's options.

Thor can probably deliver the single most powerful blow...though apparently, the stronger the godblast, the more time it takes to prep (and time is not in Thor's favor in this fight). After all, it took a moment or so to generate the power for hurting a weak Galactus, who also was not even expecting this attack (big diff when caught by surprise). We've also never seen Surfer try to actually kill Galactus (and indeed, Galactus was surprised by what Surfer did with the crunch energies). But this is speculation. For now, I give the nod to Thor in terms of power-output/absorption with the footnote that Surfer is not far behind. Throw in durability and speed and the scales shift.

Flash is certainly the fastest in combat speed, but I don't know if he has enough sheer power to really incapacitate the likes of these combatants, even with speed-stealing. Plus Surfer still has the edge in transit speed. Surfer also has excellent inertia control, as evidenced by his instant stopping, starting and right-angle turns at high speed, so even fighting in a confined space (CIS-free) shouldn't be a problem.

Now, Superman...ah, Supes, the hero who rises to the challenge like no other. Part of me wants to count this ultimately-indomitable factor, but given that this is probably the most hotly debated characteristic of any superhero, my sense is, leave it out of this fight. Otherwise, love it or hate it, Supes would trump all because he is the goddamn Superman.

Originally posted by janus77
look at this match-up as a CPU test:
[b]Superman
= DualCore, 6MB cache, 4Ghz*
Flash = P4, 1MB cache, 8Ghz+*
Thor = Core i5, 4MB cache, 1.8Ghz*
Surfer = Core i7, 6MB cache, 8Ghz*

(yeah, the speeds don't exist right now but ...) [/B]

🙁

Originally posted by Ambient
I thought we were just talkin about absorbing capacity..

I mentioned this said so feat because even at his weakest he was still capable, considering his powers was the only thing holding the Planet together.. Was it not Surfer that lend Owen Energies and according to Owen Surfer could have absorbed all of his remaining power, very impressive i might add..

Surfer combining Owen's powers with his own isn't nearly as impressive as you may think. To reiterate points I already mentioned:

a.) When Owen was at full power he was able to fix the multiversal damage Beyonder caused, with a casual gesture:
http://img294.imageshack.us/i/mm1.jpg/

But when Surfer wanted to utilize Owen's energies, he'd become so drastically weakened from his previous battle with Beyonder that by his own accord it was "all he could do" just to slow down earth's destruction:
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7818/mm1e.jpg
(Reece moving from multiversal-level down to *barely* global-level, denotes a huge downgrade in power.)

b.) Even though his power was, for all intents and purposes, infinitely less then it had previously been, Owen still had to allow Surfer to channel his energies for things to work properly:
http://img714.imageshack.us/i/mm2e.jpg/

c.) Even Surfer and Owen's combined power was barely enough to fix the planet-wide devastation caused from the aforementioned battle:
http://img535.imageshack.us/i/mm3g.jpg/

d.) It turns out that Owen (not Surfer) was the one who fixed things anyway:
http://img532.imageshack.us/i/mm4a.jpg/

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In summary: Owen was extremely weak -- he had to allow Surfer to use his energy -- their combined powers were barely enough to fix planetary devastation -- Owen is the one who ultimately repaired earth -- ie. It's not that good of a feat on Surfer's part, imo.

Seems you missed some important scans showcasing power for Surfer...

Anyway, it was never implied it was anything but Owen's power that fixed it, but it was Surfer fueling him to accomplish this. In fact, Ambient said this in his post...

Originally posted by Blanket
Seems you missed some important scans showcasing power for Surfer...

Anyway, it was never implied it was anything but Owen's power that fixed it, but it was Surfer fueling him to accomplish this. In fact, Ambient said this in his post...

Didn't miss anything.

He originally said that Surfer absorbed all of Owen's power. I said that 'absorption feat' had some extenuating circumstances behind it. He asked what extenuating circumstances I was referring to. I replied accordingly.

Originally posted by Galan007
Didn't miss anything.

He originally said that Surfer absorbed all of Owen's power. I said that 'absorption feat' had some extenuating circumstances behind it. He asked what extenuating circumstances I was referring to. I replied accordingly.

Wasn`t Surfer outputting some sort of terrapowerÉ
Obviously it doesn`t look as good without that, and without the words of MM saying he could absorb the energy back (if there is indeed one... haven`t read it in a while).

I realize. But you`re still implying it`s not that good of feat, and are applying most of it to MM (when it`s an equally shared feat). It seems you`re not trying to downplay the àbsorbtion of the feat, but the feat as a whole.
He might not have drained him (burned him out though), but Surfer still did something there worthy enough of a good feat, relevant or not to absorbing prowess.

****, something`s wrong with my keyboard.