CIS-less: Flash vs. Silver Surfer vs. Superman vs. Thor

Originally posted by Ambient
Didn't take as long as i expected..

here's one..

Feeding MM more energy then absorbing all and some of it back..
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5923/ssww6.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/i/ssfj0.jpg/
http://img181.imageshack.us/i/ss1xt9.jpg/

Here's from the Unilord - saga.

Absorbs the Unilord's blast and return it a million X over..
http://img68.imageshack.us/i/unilord4fk0.jpg/

Him absorbing the Unilord's energies..
http://img75.imageshack.us/i/unilord5bx8.jpg/
http://img75.imageshack.us/i/unilord6oq6.jpg/
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade2.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade3.jpg

Draws energies from a blackhole..
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2585/mcp5030ampinghh6.jpg

Absorbs energies being fired..
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4230/silversurferv3103p18sa8.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6012/silversurferv3103p17qd1.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9425/silversurferv3103p19ox6.jpg

I skimmed over Galan's post and he broke down the Molecule Man scene sufficiently. I would have done it better of course but I'm lazy. 😛

The Uni Lord scans are from the Uni Lord saga. I don't have to break it down further. I'm not even sure f it's cannon or not, and even if it was, can we attribute those feats to 616 Surfer's capabilities?

Can you give me the issue number because I certainly don't see Norrin absorbing a black hole in the scans you posted.

I don't recall them giving any measure as to how powerful those ships are so I don't see how we're supposed to gauge the level of the feat.

Thor absorbing the Null Bomb and containing/stopping a blast that would have nullified 1/5 of the Universe is more impressive than anything I've seen Norrin do.

Originally posted by Blanket
Wasn`t Surfer outputting some sort of terrapowerÉ
Obviously it doesn`t look as good without that, and without the words of MM saying he could absorb the energy back (if there is indeed one... haven`t read it in a while).

I realize. But you`re still implying it`s not that good of feat, and are applying most of it to MM (when it`s an equally shared feat). It seems you`re not trying to downplay the àbsorbtion of the feat, but the feat as a whole.
He might not have drained him (burned him out though), but Surfer still did something there worthy enough of a good feat, relevant or not to absorbing prowess.

My biggest problem is that you can't just say "Surfer absorbed MM's powers" or whatever -- you need to give some context to go along with that feat... And that context is: Owen was extremely weak at the time (meaning Surfer really didn't absorb/channel that much power) and Owen allowed Surfer to mess with his energy.

With those contextual 'bits' considered, the feat wasn't that impressive, imo.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I would have done it better of course but I'm lazy. 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
pfft

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Originally posted by Galan007
I don't speak Italian. none

My biggest problem is that you can't just say "Surfer absorbed MM's powers" or whatever -- you need to give some context to go along with that feat... And that context is: Owen was extremely weak at the time (meaning Surfer really didn't absorb/channel that much power) and Owen allowed Surfer to mess with his energy.

With those contextual 'bits' considered, the feat wasn't that impressive, imo.

pfft

Oh, I realize entirely, but outright saying it wasn`t impressiveÉ
That was supposed to be a question...

He was weak at the time, which means Surfer powered something that fixed the entire Earth all the way back in poop era for him. He allowed him so it would work, it`s not like he couldn`t have raped himself upon him, it just wouldn`t be very efficient. He opened himself up so Surfer could fuel him, that`s all.

Surfer=Thor even without CIS. Both of them are the same character with almost the same abilities. Both also have advantages over the other. So in regards to these two, its a tie IMO.

Superman comes next (read below).

Flash last (I think Surfer is going to take Flash out fast enough for him not being a problem for anyone on the battle field.

As to who would win between Thor and Surfer, thats an argument that would last for eternity since both sides have a way of defending both.

Originally posted by Blanket
I can`t fix it

Oh, I realize entirely, but outright saying it wasn`t impressiveÉ
That was supposed to be a question...

He was weak at the time, which means Surfer powered something that fixed the entire Earth all the way back in poop era for him. He allowed him so it would work, it`s not like he couldn`t have raped himself upon him, it just wouldn`t be very efficient. He opened himself up so Surfer could fuel him, that`s all.

Originally posted by Galan007
Two characters combining powers just to fix global destruction doesn't strike me as a very impressive feat, but that's just my opinion. There's nothing to say Surfer could have mucked with Owen's powers had Owen not allowed it.

Considering how weak Owen wasÉ
I wouldn`t put it past him.

Originally posted by Galan007
Surfer combining Owen's powers with his own isn't nearly as impressive as you may think. To reiterate points I already mentioned:

a.) When Owen was at full power he was able to fix the multiversal damage Beyonder caused, with a casual gesture:
http://img294.imageshack.us/i/mm1.jpg/

But when Surfer wanted to utilize Owen's energies, he'd become so drastically weakened from his previous battle with Beyonder that by his own accord it was "all he could do" just to slow down earth's destruction:
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7818/mm1e.jpg
(Reece moving from multiversal-level down to *barely* global-level, denotes a huge downgrade in power.)

b.) Even though his power was, for all intents and purposes, infinitely less then it had previously been, Owen still had to allow Surfer to channel his energies for things to work properly:
http://img714.imageshack.us/i/mm2e.jpg/

c.) Even Surfer and Owen's combined power was barely enough to fix the planet-wide devastation caused from the aforementioned battle:
http://img535.imageshack.us/i/mm3g.jpg/

d.) It turns out that Owen (not Surfer) was the one who fixed things anyway:
http://img532.imageshack.us/i/mm4a.jpg/

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In summary: Owen was extremely weak -- he had to allow Surfer to use his energy -- their combined powers were barely enough to fix planetary devastation -- Owen is the one who ultimately repaired earth -- ie. It's not that good of a feat on Surfer's part, imo.

Right we got it, this multiversal level being is a heck of a lot weaker than his normal self to a point where his only able to hold a planet together slowing down its imminent destruction but you've got to agree that's a very impressive feat for a very weak MM considering the energies required to even bring up a shaft of land would require billions of terawatts of power..
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6082/avengers26612yv5.jpg

b.) right...

c.) Nope .. he fixed everything including the living in sub-space, teh x-mansion, his home and still had spare left, you know him not being burnt out and still is MM..

d.) If you say so..

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Even dough Owen was still weak compared to his normal self, he was still powerful, single handedly slowing down Earths destruction since the Beyonder event. The energies required to pull of such feats would still have to be massive and in accordance to MM, Surfer could have taken all of his powers/energies. I'd say that says a lot about Surfers capacity to absorb energies, this is why i thought that this would be a good example for it..

Originally posted by Galan007
Didn't miss anything.

He originally said that Surfer absorbed all of Owen's power. I said that 'absorption feat' had some extenuating circumstances behind it. He asked what extenuating circumstances I was referring to. I replied accordingly.

I didn't say that..

Nearly, possibly.. didn't say all

So there, your wrong, i win 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
Two characters combining powers just to fix global destruction doesn't strike me as a very impressive feat, but that's just my opinion. There's nothing to say Surfer could have mucked with Owen's powers had Owen not allowed it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I skimmed over Galan's post and he broke down the Molecule Man scene sufficiently. I would have done it better of course but I'm lazy. 😛

The Uni Lord scans are from the Uni Lord saga. I don't have to break it down further. I'm not even sure f it's cannon or not, and even if it was, can we attribute those feats to 616 Surfer's capabilities?

Can you give me the issue number because I certainly don't see Norrin absorbing a black hole in the scans you posted.

I don't recall them giving any measure as to how powerful those ships are so I don't see how we're supposed to gauge the level of the feat.

Thor absorbing the Null Bomb and containing/stopping a blast that would have nullified 1/5 of the Universe is more impressive than anything I've seen Norrin do.

Yes why not? Its cannon.. It is the same Surfer as the current one..

he said so in that scan.. he amplified his own PC with the power of teh blackhole..

I think its pretty even consider the Unilord saga..

Its retarded to even THINK that Surfer could absorb energy like Thors hammer.

Retarded is that like moronic?

Yes he can..

Originally posted by Ambient
His got his points and i've got mine, i still think that feat is worth mentioning..

Yes why not? Its cannon.. It is the same Surfer as the current one..

he said so in that scan.. he amplified his own PC with the power of teh blackhole..

I think its pretty even consider the Unilord saga..

It doesn't prove his on the level of Mjolnir in terms of absorption.

What we saw was an alternate reality. How can we apply what happened there to the 616 Norrin? The only hope that it is even cannon is that the beam of light we saw that hit Norrin was the Surfer of that Universe perhaps merging with him to some extent and even that was not clear as far as I can tell.

You previously claimed he absorbed a black hole. What he did was tap into it's power to amp him. No absorb it completely.

How powerful was Uni-Lord again? I know he was considered the god of his Universe, but how much above planetary was he in terms of physical not spiritual power? I know he absorbed millions of souls but I don't really know we can transfer that over in terms of energy.

Again, I haven't seen anything to say so.

Originally posted by Ambient
Retarded is that like moronic?

Yes he can..

Versatility, you have an argument there, absorption, Thor has that no contest.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It doesn't prove his on the level of Mjolnir in terms of absorption.

What we saw was an alternate reality. How can we apply what happened there to the 616 Norrin? The only hope that it is even cannon is that the beam of light we saw that hit Norrin was the Surfer of that Universe perhaps merging with him to some extent and even that was not clear as far as I can tell.

You previously claimed he absorbed a black hole. What he did was tap into it's power to amp him. No absorb it completely.

How powerful was Uni-Lord again? I know he was considered the god of his Universe, but how much above planetary was he in terms of physical not spiritual power? I know he absorbed millions of souls but I don't really know we can transfer that over in terms of energy.

Again, I haven't seen anything to say so.

Well it was, all he wanted was to go back to his own Universe, he rode the rift, realeased those energies then came out of the rift.. at the end of that arc coming out of that rift he was referred to as a burst of light and BRB/Quazar said that it was a silver burst of light that hit surfer..

Well the energies thats within the blackbody, the one that surfer merged had enough power to take out a star system.. Unilord was the Universe/made and created everything..

What being discussed right now is comparable mayhap higher 😛 .

Originally posted by carver9
Versatility, you have an argument there, absorption, Thor has that no contest.

Originally posted by Ambient
If where going for highest no.. Its an ex. i thought of at that time..

Well it was, all he wanted was to go back to his own Universe, he rode the rift, realeased those energies then came out of the rift.. at the end of that arc coming out of that rift he was referred to as a burst of light and BRB/Quazar said that it was a silver burst of light that hit surfer..

Well the energies thats within the blackbody, the one that surfer merged had enough power to take out a star system.. Unilord was the Universe/made and created everything..

What being discussed right now is comparable mayhap higher 😛 .

Thats whats being discussed right now..
So rather than just sayin why dont you show it..

I shouldnt have to post feats, you should know the limits of Thors absorptions.

I have never, since being on KMC see anyone compare Surfer absorption to someone like Thors.

I've read both series this is why i question both absorbing capacities..

Well you seen one now..

Originally posted by carver9
I shouldnt have to post feats, you should know the limits of Thors absorptions.

I have never, since being on KMC see anyone compare Surfer absorption to someone like Thors.

Anyway, what's the average of Thor's absorbing skills for the sake of the argument here?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You previously claimed he absorbed a black hole. What he did was tap into it's power to amp him. No absorb it completely.

here ill quote it..

Originally posted by Ambient
A plenty; nearly draining Molecule Man of all his energies, absorbing energies from a blackhole, the crunch feat, absorbing energies that could destroy half a universe, a lot more...