Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ When they hurt Hogun.
What issue was that? (as I don't have it actually)
but regardless that's not a good representation of how majority of their fights with Thor go. Wrecker alone has proven to be a match for Thor on multiple times (and Im not talking about when he was weakened)
Originally posted by -K-M-Thor vol.2 #29.
What issue was that? (as I don't have it actually)but regardless that's not a good representation of how majority of their fights with Thor go. Wrecker alone has proven to be a match for Thor on multiple times (and Im not talking about when he was weakened)
Yes, because Thor perenially holds back against them (and treating them like mortals though they possess godly powers) until they draw his godly ire. When he takes the gloves off, the battle's over. Every time. And while I'm not suggesting that they don't have legitimate power, they don't use it effectively (relatively speaking).
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor vol.2 #29.Yes, because Thor perenially holds back against them (and treating them like mortals though they possess godly powers) until they draw his godly ire. When he takes the gloves off, the battle's over. Every time. And while I'm not suggesting that they don't have legitimate power, they don't use it effectively (relatively speaking).
Except as noted when Thor was fighting Wrecker solo teams he wasn't holding back (as noted) as a persons life was in the balance (as he had to operate on someone) and had to rush to finish the fight. So no like I said one showing does not outway all their encounters.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor vol.2 #29.Yes, because Thor perenially holds back against them (and treating them like mortals though they possess godly powers) until they draw his godly ire. When he takes the gloves off, the battle's over. Every time. And while I'm not suggesting that they don't have legitimate power, they don't use it effectively (relatively speaking).
Yup. When Thor has gotten angry he has literally beat the shit out of the Wrecking Crew. And here's the fight you guys are talking about.
Originally posted by -K-M-
What issue was that? (as I don't have it actually)but regardless that's not a good representation of how majority of their fights with Thor go. Wrecker alone has proven to be a match for Thor on multiple times (and Im not talking about when he was weakened)
When was this?
Off the top of my head Wrecker has fought Thor solo about 3 or 4 times. 2 of those he was severely weakened. The third fight which was in Thor Vol. 1 #171 as I recall, Wrecker said he was stronger than ever for some apparent reason and it was a stalemate but once again near the end Thor it was made painfully clear he was superior once Thor got truly mad. On top of everything, Thor was clearly holding back. Wrecker even comments on it. He might have been in his, "I can't harm a mortal phase" although I'm not too sure. The third fight was when Wrecker was significantly powered up by Captain Marvel as I recall. Wrecker was even looking a bit better in that fight, until of course Thor kicked it up a notch. He flipped him over, punched him back and removed their powers.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When was this?Off the top of my head Wrecker has fought Thor solo about 3 or 4 times. 2 of those he was severely weakened. The third fight which was in Thor Vol. 1 #171 as I recall, Wrecker said he was stronger than ever for some apparent reason and it was a stalemate but once Thor got serious as he realized he had a patient waiting it was made painfully clear he was superior. The third fight was when Wrecker was significantly powered up by Captain Marvel as I recall. Wrecker was even looking a bit better in that fight, until of course Thor kicked it up a notch. He flipped him over, punched him back and removed their powers.
Thor #171 [Vol.1] is the time I'm refering too, and he was "Stronger" then ever because he knew how to use his powers now. He didn't get an upgrade. Thor was serious the whole fight and Thor also beat him because of the train track rails 😬
Yes I know about the weakened fight, and referenced those were the fights I was talking about.
The Captain marvel reference Photon broke the circuit and overloaded the Crew then Thor assisted with Photon removing their power after they were weakened.
The other fight reference I was talking about was Thunderstrike #14 and he was batting him away without any trouble
^ Their fight in Thor #171 is explained below:
Originally posted by -K-M-No. He did hold back with his usual, "I dare not mortally harm mortals schtick." He even thinks as much in a thought bubble right towards the end of the fight. And that was pretty much Wrecker's best showing. Focusing on his patient rushed him sure, but if he was truly in a mad rush, he wouldn't have left the patient's side in the first place. It's a bit of a deflection from Thor's own thoughts on-panel.
Except as noted when Thor was fighting Wrecker solo teams he wasn't holding back (as noted) as a persons life was in the balance (as he had to operate on someone) and had to rush to finish the fight. So no like I said one showing does not outway all their encounters.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. He did hold back with his usual, "I dare not mortally harm mortals schtick." He even thinks as much in a thought bubble right towards the end of the fight. And that was pretty much Wrecker's best showing. Focusing on his patient rushed him sure, but if he was truly in a mad rush, he wouldn't have left the patient's side in the first place. It's a bit of a deflection from Thor's own thoughts on-panel.
Now where does he say that? Only real reference is he didn't want to harm mortals while Wrecker and him battled so they took it underground (*Thor makes a hole in the ground and they fall in with Wrecker mocking him as that wouldn't do any good* "My only purpose was to conclude our battle where those above would suffer no injury""😉. He later also talks about not wanting to kill Wrecker (as that is pretty much his only option at this point), and has to find another way to beat him, which wasn't about not hurting him ["He strikes out blindly..in a senseless rage! But I am sworn to take no life...not even such as his! I must find another way...and by the Golden Gates...I shall!"]. Even in the battle Thor admits Wrecker is just as strong as him and his equal multiple times: "'Tis true thy power doth seem the equal to mine"😉
No that isn't Wrecker's best feat as he has been upgraded many times since then. Ummm..he even comments he is in a mad rush to get back "Thor hath no time for idle threats! There be to much at stake", "There be no more time to bandy words! Not while he who is called Lopez now lies 'twixt life and death!", etc.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Thor #171 [Vol.1] is the time I'm refering too, and he was "Stronger" then ever because he knew how to use his powers now. He didn't get an upgrade. Thor was serious the whole fight and Thor also beat him because of the train track rails 😬Yes I know about the weakened fight, and referenced those were the fights I was talking about.
The Captain marvel reference Photon broke the circuit and overloaded the Crew then Thor assisted with Photon removing their power after they were weakened.
The other fight reference I was talking about was Thunderstrike #14 and he was batting him away without any trouble
Really? Based on what? He clearly says his stronger and smarter now. Not "I'm more experienced now". They never showed him getting an amp which is why I found it strange but hey, it was the Silver Age. If you have evidence to support your case I will concede.
I didn't mean to say he was taking the fight as joke or anything, just a reference to how he realized that time was truly precious. Right before that it was made clear Thor could kick it up a notch. Wrecker was even in disbelieve about how he was able to hold down his crowbar with one arm. And he was obviously keeping himself in check in that fight. Wrecker even comments on Thor being scared of using Mjolnir on him. It's weird, Thor says the Wrecker equaled him in strength but whatever. Thor is always able to kick it up a notch. Hercules can vouch for that.
Okay.
True enough. Should be noted that even when she overloads them, they were standing their smiling as they glowed with power. And Thor tossed off Wrecker before she even does that.
You mean the fight when Wrecker was being amped and re-energized by an outside power source from a different dimension? If that's the fight your talking about then your making it seem like Thor was some kind of joke. At first when Thor flies in Wrecker hits Thor in the face knocking him down. Later on, Thor knocks the crow bar out of his hands and buts Wrecker on his ass. Wrecker then calls his crowbar and knocks Thor into a lamp. Thor gets up as Wrecker turns away commenting on how he only knocked him down.
Originally posted by -K-M-That's it. The underlined part. He was contrasting how Wrecker lashes out in a blind rage, but he himself swore an oath to take no lives.
Now where does he say that? Only real reference is he didn't want to harm mortals while Wrecker and him battled so they took it underground (*Thor makes a hole in the ground and they fall in with Wrecker mocking him as that wouldn't do any good* "My only purpose was to conclude our battle where those above would suffer no injury""😉. He later also talks about not wanting to kill Wrecker (as that is pretty much his only option at this point), and has to find another way to beat him not about hurting him. Even in the battle Thor admits Wrecker is just as strong as him and his equal (multiple times)No that isn't Wrecker's best feat as he has been upgraded many times since then. Ummm..he even comments he is in a mad rush to get back "Thor hath no time for idle threats! There be to much at stake", "There be no more time to bandy words! Not while he who is called Lopez now lies 'twixt life and death!", etc.
As you should be well aware from reading Thor, he takes punishment and bides his time looking for ways to defeat his foes without mortally harming them. And as you clearly recognized, he was short on time and Wrecker was berserking. Thor couldn't stop him in such short order without killing him. Which is why when he realized he could use the third railing + Mjolnir's magic, he immediately turned the battle around by stopping his crowbar with a single hand (much to Wrecker's amazement), flipping him over and disenchanting him. He held back during the fight.
Rushed, but not" madly" rushed. He had 15 minutes to investigate why the building was originally shaking as stated on-panel. Had he been so absolutely rushed that it would have cost the hospital patient his life, he would have killed the Wrecker because he had no choice. Thor's killed his opponents before when he's had no choice. As it stands, he had enough time to tussle with him for a bit while holding back to (i) try to talk sense into him and/or (ii) figure out how to stop him without killing him. He held back.
Just because Thor can ragestomp Wrecker who he's become more used to fighting over the years, doesn't mean Wrecker can't be nearly as powerful as him. Like I said, this doesn't diminish the Wrecker's power, but he can't apply it effectively (relatively speaking).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really? Based on what? He clearly says his stronger and smarter now. Not "I'm more experienced now". They never showed him getting an amp which is why I found it strange but hey, it was the Silver Age. If you have evidence to support your case I will concede.
Because he was in prison the whole time and no where was it said or shown he got powered up other then being smarter. Which as shown when Ulik trained him made him more powerful
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I didn't mean to say he was taking the fight as joke or anything, just a reference to how he realized that time was truly precious. Right before that it was made clear Thor could kick it up a notch. Wrecker was even in disbelieve about how he was able to hold down his crowbar with one arm. And he was obviously keeping himself in check in that fight. Wrecker even comments on Thor being scared of using Mjolnir on him. It's weird, Thor says the Wrecker equaled him in strength but whatever. Thor is always able to kick it up a notch. Hercules can vouch for that.
Right from the very start he said his time was precious and tried to take out Wrecker early...and he failed. Where did it say or show Thor could kick it up a notch? He was holding his crowbar back with his hammer. Also no he wasn't keeping himself in check as nor where was that stated, and Thor did state multiple times Wrecker was his equal and wanted to end it quick to save the life..but couldn't. So can Wrecker though.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
True enough. Should be noted that even when she overloads them, they were standing their smiling as they glowed with power. And Thor tossed off Wrecker before she even does that.
Ummm...no they wern't. They were screaming in pain. I suggest you reread it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mean the fight when Wrecker was being amped and re-energized by an outside power source from a different dimension? If that's the fight your talking about then your making it seem like Thor was some kind of joke. At first when Thor flies in Wrecker hits Thor in the face knocking him down. Later on, Thor knocks the crow bar out of his hands and buts Wrecker on his ass. Wrecker then calls his crowbar and knocks Thor into a lamp. Thor gets up as Wrecker turns away commenting on how he only knocked him down.
He kepted that upgrade as the rest of the Crew were banished to that dimension and came back stronger. Look at the Thunderball vs. Alpha Flight fight. That's one of the powerups I was talking about...and they kepted that.
and Wrecker didn't want to fight Thor, but Thor kepted trying to fight him and he was merely just pestering him. Also Thor put him on his ass? you mean one knee which didn't phase him and then he literally put Thor on his ass a second later?
For reference, here's the fight from my Revamped Thor Respect Thread:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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