Originally posted by carver9Jesus...
This proves that he is above high herald.I cant see any heralds taking this as easily as Sentry did. Hell, Surfer got knocked through a ship by a hit similar to this from BRB.
Thor was weakened in the Void scuffle...
Surfer was unaffected just like Void seemingly is, except Beta was at full power and hit Surfer with more than that.
Rulk took a full bor Odin Force Thor hammer attack straight to the face, and smiled about it, and that guy just got destroyed by Cosmo Hulk...
Thor, though Bendis might not know this, has much more to offer than simple hammer strikes and lightning barrages. Surfer even more so. Until I see Void using these vaunted "matter manipulation" powers everyone marks out for or doing something aside from ripping a 70 tonner in half, I just don't see him as this nigh omnipotent threat other people do.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankHater. uhuh
Thor, though Bendis might not know this, has much more to offer than simple hammer strikes and lightning barrages. Surfer even more so. Until I see Void using these vaunted "matter manipulation" powers everyone marks out for or doing something aside from ripping a 70 tonner in half, I just don't see him as this nigh omnipotent threat other people do.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor, though Bendis might not know this, has much more to offer than simple hammer strikes and lightning barrages. Surfer even more so. Until I see Void using these vaunted "matter manipulation" powers everyone marks out for or doing something aside from ripping a 70 tonner in half, I just don't see him as this nigh omnipotent threat other people do.
I'm not saying that he is omnipotent but I know for a fact that he is above high herald and above everyone that I listed on the other thread.
Originally posted by Blanket
Jesus...Thor was weakened in the Void scuffle...
Surfer was unaffected just like Void seemingly is, except Beta was at full power and hit Surfer with more than that.
Rulk took a full bor Odin Force Thor hammer attack straight to the face, and smiled about it, and that guy just got destroyed by Cosmo Hulk...
Now name everything that Thor hammer busted through and crushed. Then I want you to think very hard on this.
carver, lots of people have tanked a hammer shot. Not just Juggs. Frankly, it's not a high herald feat to take one of those blows and still be ticking. Sentry might be above Thor, comfortably so even, but to simply assume so based on the scan you posted is complete speculation. Hype and talk is just that, hype and talk. Wait until you can say something definitively before jumping to conclusions.
Originally posted by carver9I know for a fact Surfer is above high herald. Proof:
I'm not saying that he is omnipotent but I know for a fact that he is above high herald and above everyone that I listed on the other thread.
Originally posted by Galan007
Surfer/BRB:
The real power here is that he is really durable... durability = above high herald.
Originally posted by Blanket
I know for a fact Surfer is above high herald. Proof:The real power here is that he is really durable... durability = above high herald.
I always said that Surfer is above high herald because he is and what was the point of that scan, Surfer got knocked on his ass.
Sentry>Surfer.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, with a few spatterings of PIS and plot device to smooth it all out.
Nothing about what happened to Sentry is PIS, all that happened, happened for a reason. His mind wasnt stable enough. Now that he has control of that power, we see what he is capable of.
He is a f***** beast but no matter what he do or what people or characters say about him, he will still always be put on the bottom of the totum pole by a lot of people here bc they just dont like the character.
Sentry/Voids matter manipulation shouldn't work on Surfers biology and Cosmic Power. Though SS should after realising destroying S/Vs body won't keep him down would resort to ripping him into the Astral Plane where SS should get an upper hand. If Cyclops could defeat Copy/Paste Void in the Astral then SS should be able to do it.
SS for the win via Astral fight. But still hard to tell in these early days.
Originally posted by carver9
Nothing about what happened to Sentry is PIS, all that happened, happened for a reason. His mind wasnt stable enough. Now that he has control of that power, we see what he is capable of.He is a f***** beast but no matter what he do or what people or characters say about him, he will still always be put on the bottom of the totum pole by a lot of people here bc they just dont like the character.
That's not true at all. I don't mind the character in the least. But you based your > high herald argument off of him taking a single blow from Thor. That's not nearly enough....in fact it's comically little to base that opinion off of.
You might be right, but you're not making a good case of it. At least the MM encounter hints at the kind of power you think he has. But again, it is speculative without those powers being clearly defined and without set limits yet.
Originally posted by carver9Surfer is above high herald even though he defines the level... makes sense.
I always said that Surfer is above high herald because he is and what was the point of that scan, Surfer got knocked on his ass.Sentry>Surfer.
That Surfer took more than Voidtry did, and was completely unaffected? BTW, Surfer always gets knocked around, don't see how that's a point here. Doesn't affect his durability.
Also, I guess you didn't get the point of my post... durability doesn't equal power.
Originally posted by carver9
Nothing about what happened to Sentry is PIS, all that happened, happened for a reason. His mind wasnt stable enough. Now that he has control of that power, we see what he is capable of.He is a f***** beast but no matter what he do or what people or characters say about him, he will still always be put on the bottom of the totum pole by a lot of people here bc they just dont like the character.
Sentry's power level drastically altering and going up and down to fit the confines of the current story he's in is PIS. The whole "metal instability as a reasoning for lack of control/power and/or reasoning for jobbing" is a tried and true version of PIS, imo.
And I think the reason why Sentry has so many detractors is because of people - and I'm not accusing you of this, Carver - losing their cookies over some random high showings as compared to his low end ones, while citing "he's only been around for a few years, so he's not going to have as many great feats, but the ones he has are the ones we should all use."
And Sentry suffers from the same bias that pretty much every character has: there will be people who lowball and hate on him, just because they dislike the character. Superman, Hulk, Thor, etc. He's no different in that regard.
Originally posted by Blanket
Surfer is above high herald even though he defines the level... makes sense.
I never saw him as defining the level...he was the highest of the bunch in tier discussions, not the median as most other "defining" characters are. If you were above Surfer, you were Trans. which can't be said for people like Iron man, Spider-Man, etc. in their respective tiers. But Surfer's complete canon does push the limit of the tier, so I can see where some would consider him higher.
