void vs surfer

What a waste of a thread I'll post this for the 3rd time and see if anyone can have a response instead of an innane measuring contest

Originally posted by the ninjak
Sentry/Voids matter manipulation shouldn't work on Surfers biology and Cosmic Power. Though SS should after realising destroying S/Vs body won't keep him down would resort to ripping him into the Astral Plane where SS should get an upper hand. If Cyclops could defeat Copy/Paste Void in the Astral then SS should be able to do it.

SS for the win via Astral fight. But still hard to tell in these early days.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
how weakened is Thor anyway..he got hit by U-Foes and Iron Patriot..i thought u guys said that he is vary powerful and durable..that kinda attack shouldn't have weakened him to much..Sentry is just more powerful than Thor..

U-Foes aren't "weak" in any stretch of the imagination.

Originally posted by carver9
I named everything that he has shown on the "character ownage" thread (even though it still doesnt compare to Surfer).

From showings, I just think Sentry is more powerful and even though you dont like the MM incident, it happened, you cant take that away from him.

If his feats and powers don't compare to Surfer...why compare them?

And as far as the MM thing goes, it happened once against a Molecule Man who was a far cry from his upper levels. And he's yet to display any massive matter manipulation to warrant some of the outlandish things posters claiming he'll do in a vs. match. So, yeah, I think I'm being reasonable when I don't take his absolute best feat and apply it to the character for any and all battles when I don't do the same for other characters.

Volstagg was able to withstand their attack..and Thor have taken worst..

Originally posted by kgkg
All of them I have listed have more power than Surfer or comparable to Surfer. Fact.

IF you don't know them you may want to look them up. I'm using is Photon which is the only HH incarnation either way.

Moonstone? The one related to drax? I dont read much about her but the little that I have seen, I dont see anything giving me a thought on her being on Surfers level.

Genis, again, it depends on genis you are talking about. Insane Genis, yes, he could POSSIBLY be above Surfer. The other two, I dont know much about them.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If his feats and powers don't compare to Surfer...why compare them?

Because Surfers been around longer but that doesnt mean he can beat someone like Sentry that shows no signs of weakness and is shown as being unbeatable.

Originally posted by carver9
Because Surfers been around longer but that doesnt mean he can beat someone like Sentry that shows no signs of weakness and is shown as being unbeatable.

We all know what Sentry can do....But how Does Sentry beat SS?
Stop repeating yourself, you have done it for 3 pages now!

Originally posted by carver9
Moonstone? The one related to drax? I dont read much about her but the little that I have seen, I dont see anything giving me a thought on her being on Surfers level.

Genis, again, it depends on genis you are talking about. Insane Genis, yes, he could POSSIBLY be above Surfer. The other two, I dont know much about them.

Baron also has the stones. Stones stones itself has more energy output than say Surfer. In the arc Baron with stones was stomping everyone on earth easily. He was more powerful than say Surfer at this level.

Photon has feats that is comparable to that of Surfer in output department.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Volstagg was able to withstand their attack..and Thor have taken worst..

PIS maybe? It wouldn't be the first time Bendis has used it.

Originally posted by carver9
Because Surfers been around longer but that doesnt mean he can beat someone like Sentry that shows no signs of weakness and is shown as being unbeatable.

Actually, carver made the first point I'm actually going to agree with: Has Sentry been legitimately beaten? The Hulk incident is the closest thing we have to that, and I suppose you could call it a stalemate.

Granted, carver, you're absolutely wrong that Sentry's feats trump Surfer's. They don't, plain and simple, even the best ones. To say otherwise is just saying you don't know all of Surfer's feats. But your point, which again may be absolutely true (or not, pending evidence), hinges on the fact that we really don't have an upper limit for Sentry. But you're still basing your argument off of that gap in our knowledge of Sentry...i.e. speculation. You can't say where his limit is, nor can we. So saying he is "definitely" above anyone is premature.

Again, though, you shortchange nearly all high heralds to say they don't come close to Sentry's (or Surfer's) feats. All of them do. Don't paint with a wide brush...you usually end up with a messy picture.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
PIS maybe? It wouldn't be the first time Bendis has used it.

Plus the result was Osborne's intent, they wanted it to look like Volstagg was responsible. Not put him down.

Originally posted by Digi
Actually, carver made the first point I'm actually going to agree with: Has Sentry been legitimately beaten? The Hulk incident is the closest thing we have to that, and I suppose you could call it a stalemate.

Granted, carver, you're absolutely wrong that Sentry's feats trump Surfer's. They don't, plain and simple, even the best ones. To say otherwise is just saying you don't know all of Surfer's feats. But your point, which again may be absolutely true (or not, pending evidence), hinges on the fact that we really don't have an upper limit for Sentry. But you're still basing your argument off of that gap in our knowledge of Sentry...i.e. speculation. You can't say where his limit is, nor can we. So saying he is "definitely" above anyone is premature.

Again, though, you shortchange nearly all high heralds to say they don't come close to Sentry's (or Surfer's) feats. All of them do. Don't paint with a wide brush...you usually end up with a messy picture.

LOL 😆 , agreed, and overall, good post.

I still think Sentry wins this handily and if the next episode go like I think it is, I'm giving Sentry a 10/10.

Originally posted by kgkg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonstone_%28comics%29 The one listed in the HH tier has the stones.

Baron also has the stones. Stones stones itself has more energy output than say Surfer. In the arc Baron with stones was stomping everyone on earth easily. He was more powerful than say Surfer at this level.

Photon has feats that is comparable to that of Surfer in output department.

I thought you was talking about Moonstone without the gem. Of course with the gems they would be more powerful.

Originally posted by Digi
Actually, carver made the first point I'm actually going to agree with: Has Sentry been legitimately beaten? The Hulk incident is the closest thing we have to that, and I suppose you could call it a stalemate (against a powerful WWH, but probably not a HH opponent).

Granted, carver, you're absolutely wrong that Sentry's feats trump Surfer's. They don't, plain and simple, even the best ones. To say otherwise is just saying you don't know all of Surfer's feats. But your point, which again may be absolutely true (or not, pending evidence), hinges on the fact that we really don't have an upper limit for Sentry. But you're still basing your argument off of that gap in our knowledge of Sentry...i.e. speculation. You can't say where his limit is, nor can we. So saying he is "definitely" above anyone is premature.

Since his career started (all BFR victories are assuming he didn't get KO'ed, because you know, a lightspeeder can get BFR'ed):
He got one shotted by Super Adaptoid girl twice, KO'ed by the C.A.P robot, BFR'ed by Hercules, nut kneed by Hercules, KO'ed by the Empire State Building iirc, BFR'ed by Absorbing Man, got temp KO'ed by Blue Marvel in space, got torn apart by Molecule Man and was down for a bit, beaten by Jim Hammond, BFR'ed by Genis, and the Collective, etc.
Shit, there used to be more stuff I remembered before my other comp went down. 🙁

Originally posted by carver9

I still think Sentry wins this handily and if the next episode go like I think it is, I'm giving Sentry a 10/10.

HHHHOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😠

Originally posted by the ninjak
HHHHOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😠

Because he will be taking on all of earths heros including Thor.

That feat alone puts him far above Surfer but this is IF that happens.

Originally posted by Blanket
Since his Molecule Man feat that happened like 2 or 3 months ago? No. At least, not in way of being KO'ed... because he got BFR'ed by Thor.

Since his career started (all BFR victories are assuming he didn't get KO'ed, because you know, a lightspeeder can get BFR'ed):
He got one shotted by Super Adaptoid girl twice, KO'ed by the C.A.P robot, BFR'ed by Hercules, nut kneed by Hercules, KO'ed by the Empire State Building iirc, BFR'ed by Absorbing Man, got temp KO'ed by Blue Marvel in space, got torn apart by Molecule Man and was down for a bit, beaten by Jim Hammond, BFR'ed by Genis, and the Collective, etc.
Shit, there used to be more stuff I remembered before my other comp went down. 🙁

People talk about me lowballing.

I get warnings when I do things like this.

Originally posted by the ninjak
HHHHOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😠

Really is it that hard to imagine how Void could win this???

Not that Surfer can't win but you seem to suggest there is no possible way Void can beat Surfer. 😉

Originally posted by carver9
Because he will be taking on all of earths heros including Thor.

That feat alone puts him far above Surfer but this is IF that happens.

Either way, how does he win now, handily?

MATTER MANIPULATION!!!1!!!