void vs surfer

Originally posted by Blanket
Surfer is above high herald even though he defines the level... makes sense.

That Surfer took more than Voidtry did, and was completely unaffected? BTW, Surfer always gets knocked around, don't see how that's a point here. Doesn't affect his durability.

Also, I guess you didn't get the point of my post... durability doesn't equal power.

Besides Thor, what other high herald have the power out put or the versatility that Surfer has?

What high herald can even do 50% of what Surfer has shown on panel?

He is above high herald.

A guy that can absorb a sun, power up and destroy a planet, make a mistake and blow up planets, shoot blast and create large black hole is far above high herald if you ask me.

Originally posted by Digi
I never saw him as defining the level...he was the highest of the bunch in tier discussions, not the median as most other "defining" characters are. If you were above Surfer, you were Trans. which can't be said for people like Iron man, Spider-Man, etc. in their respective tiers. But Surfer's complete canon does push the limit of the tier, so I can see where some would consider him higher.

Though I agree with that based on what was put in high herald later, that Surfer should be above that level, but meh.

Sentry/Voids matter manipulation shouldn't work on Surfers biology and Cosmic Power. Though SS should after realising destroying S/Vs body won't keep him down would resort to ripping him into the Astral Plane where SS should get an upper hand. If Cyclops could defeat Copy/Paste Void in the Astral then SS should be able to do it.

SS for the win via Astral fight. But still hard to tell in these early days.

Originally posted by carver9
Besides Thor, what other high herald have the power out put or the versatility that Surfer has?

What high herald can even do 50% of what Surfer has shown on panel?

He is above high herald.

A guy that can absorb a sun, power up and destroy a planet, make a mistake and blow up planets, shoot blast and create large black hole is far above high herald if you ask me.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Sentry's power level drastically altering and going up and down to fit the confines of the current story he's in is PIS. The whole "metal instability as a reasoning for lack of control/power and/or reasoning for jobbing" is a tried and true version of PIS, imo.

And I think the reason why Sentry has so many detractors is because of people - and I'm not accusing you of this, Carver - losing their cookies over some random high showings as compared to his low end ones, while citing "he's only been around for a few years, so he's not going to have as many great feats, but the ones he has are the ones we should all use."

And Sentry suffers from the same bias that pretty much every character has: there will be people who lowball and hate on him, just because they dislike the character. Superman, Hulk, Thor, etc. He's no different in that regard.

I agree with a lot that you said BUT its kind of obvious that it was bob mind that took its toll on his power since when void took over, he became a beast.

I always liked Sentry from the get go and the only reason I said that high heralds could beat him was due to his mentality but since that case is out of the window and my thoughts were right, he should be able to crush any one of them.

Originally posted by kgkg
Genis , Baron , Spartan, Moonstone just to name a few from the HH tier listing.

I disagree.

Originally posted by carver9
Besides Thor, what other high herald have the power out put or the versatility that Surfer has?

What high herald can even do 50% of what Surfer has shown on panel?

He is above high herald.

A guy that can absorb a sun, power up and destroy a planet, make a mistake and blow up planets, shoot blast and create large black hole is far above high herald if you ask me.

Originally posted by Blanket
It's in the namesake.
He's the highest herald.

Though I agree with that based on what was put in high herald later, that Surfer should be above that level, but meh.

Anyway, funny how your argument also works against Sentry... considering Surfer's feats dwarf Sentry and all that jazz...

Originally posted by carver9
Besides Thor, what other high herald have the power out put or the versatility that Surfer has?

What high herald can even do 50% of what Surfer has shown on panel?

He is above high herald.

A guy that can absorb a sun, power up and destroy a planet, make a mistake and blow up planets, shoot blast and create large black hole is far above high herald if you ask me.

Actually, I just browsed through the high herald list, and better than half of them actually have destroyed planets, and the other half probably could as well. Beyond that, any of the GLs, Adam Warlock, Spartan 3.0, Thor, Superman, etc. all have comparable, though not better, versatility.

Also go ahead and read through the Trans. tier. Most would wreck Surfer, and many have in the past.

He's the highest of high heralds, yes. No argument. A "tweener" if you will. But you're short-changing the others a LOT.

Originally posted by Blanket
Anyway, funny how your argument also works against Sentry... considering Surfer's feats dwarf Sentry and all that jazz...

OMG, Sentry is just as versatile and Surfer and is just as powerful, if not, more powerful.

I wonder what argument you will start using once Sentry in the next issue take on and hold his own against Marvel Earth.

I cant wait to see your argument then (downplay).

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG, Sentry is just as versatile and Surfer and is just as powerful, if not, more powerful.

I wonder what argument you will start using once Sentry in the next issue take on and hold his own against Marvel Earth.

I cant wait to see your argument then (downplay).

Basing your argument on possible future events isn't proper logic. Sentry might destroy everyone on the Earth, and it would not invalidate his opinion now.

Originally posted by Digi
Actually, I just browsed through the high herald list, and better than half of them actually have destroyed planets, and the other half probably could as well. Beyond that, any of the GLs, Adam Warlock, Spartan 3.0, Thor, Superman, etc. all have comparable, though not better, versatility.

Also go ahead and read through the Trans. tier. Most would wreck Surfer, and many have in the past.

He's the highest of high heralds, yes. No argument. A "tweener" if you will. But you're short-changing the others.

I agree digi, a lot of them probably could and have destroyed planets but again, Silver Surfer feats and power out put, puts him above high herald.

I'm not saying that the others are weak, I'm just saying Surfer is just straight up more better.

I also agree with Surfer getting owned by some of the trans but look at the trans and skyfather level beings that he defeated using pure power. The argument goes both ways. Lets not even include him going hit for hit with aegis.

Originally posted by Digi
Basing your argument on possible future events isn't proper logic. Sentry might destroy everyone on the Earth, and it would not invalidate his opinion now.

I agree with this.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG, Sentry is just as versatile and Surfer and is just as powerful, if not, more powerful.

I wonder what argument you will start using once Sentry in the next issue take on and hold his own against Marvel Earth.

I cant wait to see your argument then (downplay).

Then explain how Sentry would beat Surfer. Instead of these two page measuring contests that go nowhere.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG, Sentry is just as versatile and Surfer and is just as powerful, if not, more powerful.

I wonder what argument you will start using once Sentry in the next issue take on and hold his own against Marvel Earth.

I cant wait to see your argument then (downplay).

How is Sentry just as versatile as Surfer? Aside from - again, the one feat everyone loves to bring up - the Molecule Man incident, what has he done to even be compared to Surfer when the guy usually just flies and punches stuff? Now, he's using his weird ass tentacle thingy, but Sentry has shown me absolutely nothing that puts him on the same level as Surfer in terms of power or versatility.

Originally posted by kgkg
Which ones? and why?

Because they cant do it on the level of the Surfer and Surfer has displayed much more power than them.

Genis, it depends on which one you are talking about.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG, Sentry is just as versatile and Surfer and is just as powerful, if not, more powerful.

I wonder what argument you will start using once Sentry in the next issue take on and hold his own against Marvel Earth.

I cant wait to see your argument then (downplay).

You made an argument that you daftly overlooked Sentry not doing or being able to do. Don't see how "He's more powerful!" invalidates what was stated. Especially since your only argument here is that he's durable.

I wonder too. I wonder what boxers I'm going to wear tomorrow too.

how weakened is Thor anyway..he got hit by U-Foes and Iron Patriot..i thought u guys said that he is vary powerful and durable..that kinda attack shouldn't have weakened him to much..Sentry is just more powerful than Thor..

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How is Sentry just as versatile as Surfer? Aside from - again, the one feat everyone loves to bring up - the Molecule Man incident, what has he done to even be compared to Surfer when the guy usually just flies and punches stuff? Now, he's using his weird ass tentacle thingy, but Sentry has shown me absolutely nothing that puts him on the same level as Surfer in terms of power or versatility.

I named everything that he has shown on the "character ownage" thread (even though it still doesnt compare to Surfer).

From showings, I just think Sentry is more powerful and even though you dont like the MM incident, it happened, you cant take that away from him.

Originally posted by carver9
Because they cant do it on the level of the Surfer and Surfer has displayed much more power than them.

Genis, it depends on which one you are talking about.

IF you don't know them you may want to look them up. I'm using is Photon which is the only HH incarnation either way.