Wolverine is faster, just as skilled, better healing factor, and has adamantium claws that would mess her up. The only way I can see her winning is by dodging ALL of his attacks and avoiding serious wounds. Is she that far above him in your eyes in the speed dept to prevent things like this from happening?
Originally posted by srankmissingninBecause at one point, he did hold her down with a choke hold and bashed her head in and it didn't knock her out? Reread the damn fight. Maybe he figured he'd switch up tactics and use a full power blast from the Universal Weapon? You arguing that he should have bashed her head with the Universal Weapon because it would work (even though it didn't on-panel), while at the same time arguing that Ronan was being an idiot for just meleeing is pure lulzgasm. You not fathoming how Gamora can match Ronan while desperately trying to drag down her and her opponents down to Wolverine's level is pure phail.
No flight. No force fields. No invisibility. No gravity manipulation. He trapped her in a stasis field, zapped her and let her out. Why not keep her trapped and bash her head in? He transmuted the area directly under her feat into lava. Why not xmute the entire field into lava? Obviously he wasn't using his abilities to their full potential, and you don't have a leg to stand on when you say he was. This fight was Flash vs. Captain Boomerang, and you are telling me how Flash was going all out and that Captain Boomerang is the best, even though logically he has no chance of winning.
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Originally posted by Black bolt z
So you are saying that because ronan can beat gamora but not wolverine which is a direct contridiction of the argument some of the other wolverine supporters are using saying that gamora fans are using the argument that gamora can beat Maxam but wolverine can't.I applaude you on your way of ignoring all other posts but your own...
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I'm going to try and address this, even though I don't really have a clue what you where saying. If Ronan was fighting Wolverine the same way he fought Gomora (ie imagine Wolverine's head on Gamora's body when you read that fight), it would have played out much the same way. No obviously Wolverine isn't going to be throwing Ronan a dozen or so yards away, but you catch my drift. If Ronan decided to limit his abilities and get into a melee slug fest, Wolverine would do fine, just like Gamora did. If Ronan used his abilities effectively and fought to the best of his abilities he would rage stump Wolverine or Gamora into the ground. He wasn't using his abilties effectively in his fight with Gamora, so all you can really draw from that fight is that if he decided to limit himself to melee and energy blasts Gamora could holder her own, but guess what, so could Wolverine.
As a rule of thumb any character who lacks a viable ranged option and needs to engage Wolverine in melee combat, and who lacks a significant speed advantage, the durability needed to turn Wolverine's claws, or a healing factor that works fast enough to repair the damage Wolverine dishes out during the course of the battle, is going to lose to Wolverine. That is Gamora. She will lose.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because at one point, he did hold her down with a choke hold and bashed her head in and it didn't knock her out? Reread the damn fight. Maybe he figured he'd switch up tactics and use a full power blast from the Universal Weapon? You arguing that he should have bashed her head with the Universal Weapon because it would work (even though it didn't on-panel), while at the same time arguing that Ronan was being an idiot for just meleeing is pure lulzgasm. You not fathoming how Gamora can match Ronan while desperately trying to drag down her and her opponents down to Wolverine's level is pure phail. hysterical
He hit her once with the weapon knocking her out of melee range. Obviously hitting her once and not one shotting her is proof that locking her down in a stasis field and basing (ie more than one hit) her skull in would be infective? Are you on meth or something? 😐
Gamora needs to be above Wolverine's level to be brought down to it, she isn't and she's not.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He hit her once with the weapon knocking her out of melee range. Obviously hitting her once and not one shotting her is proof that locking her down in a stasis field and basing (ie more than one hit) her skull in would be infective? Are you on meth or something? 😐Gamora needs to be above Wolverine's level to be brought down to it, she isn't and she's not.
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Originally posted by srankmissingninYou are so unintentionally hilarious it's almost painful. Before, you were arguing that Ronan is an idiot for just bashing Gamora with his Universal Weapon! Then, you argued Ronan should have used more exotic abilities!!! Now, you're arguing instead of a fullpower blast, he should have just bashed Gamora with the Universal Weapon? lulz
He hit her once with the weapon knocking her out of melee range. Obviously hitting her once and not one shotting her is proof that locking her down in a stasis field and basing (ie more than one hit) her skull in would be infective? Are you on meth or something?Gamora needs to be above Wolverine's level to be brought down to it, she isn't and she's not.
Why would he restrain her, just to bash her cleanly with the Universal Weapon... when the first time he restrained her and bashed her cleanly with the Universal Weapon, it didn't do much of anything to take the fight out of Gamora:
Acting like Ronan didn't fight effectively when he switched from bashing tactics to stasis and full power blast mode, before going into mass environment manipulation, before going into direct matter manipulation is nothing short of ludicrous. Goodness gracious, me. Please... please reread the fight before arguing about it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You are so unintentionally hilarious it's almost painful. Before, you were arguing that Ronan is an idiot for just bashing Gamora with his Universal Weapon! Then, you argued Ronan should have used more exotic abilities!!! Now, you're arguing instead of a fullpower blast, he should have just bashed Gamora with the Universal Weapon? lulz
Yes, because hitting her with the Unversal Weapon is the same thing as restraining her in a stasis field where she is completely helpless and caving in her skull! dur
I'm suggesting that he should have used his abilities in tandem, and you are either being contrary for the sake of being contrary, or you are perhaps just an idiot. I think its the former, but maybe I'm giving you too much credit.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Why would he restrain her, just to bash her cleanly with the Universal Weapon... when the first time he restrained her and bashed her cleanly with the Universal Weapon, it didn't do much of anything to take the fight out of Gamora:
Why would Daredevil punch the Punisher more than once, when he didn't go down the first time? Use your head, dummy. He needs to come up with a new plain, punching won't work!dur
Ronan grabbed her by the throat, slammed her into a wall, and then he knocked her out of the melee with a hook. He didn't pin her to the ground and start bashing her face in, he hit her once. Obviously he's not going to one shot her, but inside a stasis field she is completely at his mercy and he could hit her as much as he wants. I understand you are trying to build Gamora up here and you don't have a lot to work with, but come on, you can do better than that. Have some self respect.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Acting like Ronan didn't fight effectively when he switched from bashing tactics to stasis and full power blast mode, before going into mass environment manipulation, before going into direct matter manipulation is nothing short of ludicrous. Goodness gracious, me. Please... please reread the fight before arguing about it.
Ronan didn't fight effectively. Anyone with a passing familiarity with his power set can clearly see that from examining the fight. The reasoning has been explained to you about a dozen time, you refuse to accept it or even address any of the points that have brought up. HE DIDN'T USES ALL OF HIS POWERS, THE POWERS HE DID USE HE DIDN'T USE EFFECTIVELY. But please tell me more about how Captain Boomerang is a match for the Flash.
^ Why on god's green Earth are you assuming a clean bash from the Universal Weapon would cave in her skull when it didn't do so just a few pages earlier? Can you not comprehend how stupid you look right now?
Your argument literally circled around and ended up like this:
srankmissingnin: "Ronan fight doesn't count! All he did was swing around his Universal Weapon like an idiot! Bashing Gamora with it is such an ineffective way to fight her!!!! Waaahhh!!!"
everybody else: "Ronan didn't just swing it around, he used a lot of it's powers, stasis effects, full-power blasts, environmental manipulation, direct matter manipulation."
srankmissingnin: "Waaah!!! Stasis-schamsis!! He should have bashed Gamora with it, because that would have been so much more effective way to fight her!!!! Waaaaahhh!!!"
everybody else: "lolwut?"
I can't see how actually nailing her several times with it and attacking her in several different ways, and managing to nail her with a full-power blast is ineffective. Just because it was ineffective to beat her, doesn't mean there was a more effective way of handling her. She's just that formidable. I know you can't fathom that possibility because you are desperate to cling onto some fantastical notion that Wolverine outclasses Gamora... but that's clearly your personal problem. Get your phail outta here.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Why on god's green Earth are you assuming a clean bash from the Universal Weapon would cave in her skull when it didn't do so just a few pages earlier? Can you not comprehend how stupid you look right now?
Are you seriously this dense? You should take a deep breath, count to ten and think about what you are saying because you are embarrassing your self.
You don't see how Ronan hitting her with a barrage of full power blows to the head while she is locked down in a stasis field, is different than hitting her once? Really? Should I explain to you how 24 is more than 1? Do you have downs or something? Is there an adult some where who should to be supervising you?
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Generally speaking, the more you hit someone the more damage you can potentially do.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your argument literally circled around and ended up like this:srankmissingnin: "Ronan fight doesn't count! All he did was swing around his Universal Weapon like an idiot! [b]Bashing Gamora with it is such an ineffective way to fight her!!!!
Waaahhh!!!"everybody else: "Ronan didn't just swing it around, he used a lot of it's powers, stasis effects, full-power blasts, environmental manipulation, direct matter manipulation."
srankmissingnin: "Waaah!!! Stasis-schamsis!! He should have bashed Gamora with it, because that would have been so much more effective way to fight her!!!! Waaaaahhh!!!"
everybody else: "lolwut?"
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Yeah that was my argument. 🙄
Ronan was using his powers ineffectively. PERIOD. He didn't use half of his abilities and the few times he did use some his more versatile powers - however briefly - he had huge advantages, but instead of capitalizing on them he gave them up and went back to meleeing and blasting her. How is that a effective display of his powers? He trapped her in a stasis field and instead of keeping her in it and ending the fight, he let her out of it off panel and went back to fighting like an idiot. In what reality is that an effective use of his powers? But please, tell me more about how Captain Boomerang is a match for the Flash.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I can't see how actually nailing her several times with it and attacking her in several different ways, and managing to nail her with a full-power blast is ineffective. Just because it was ineffective to beat her, doesn't mean there was a more effective way of handling her. She's just that formidable. I know you can't fathom that possibility because you are desperate to cling onto some fantastical notion that Wolverine outclasses Gamora... but that's clearly your personal problem. Get your phail outta here.
Yes, we've already established you don't understand how more hits = more damage, but I'm not exactly sure how I can help you, if such a simple universal concept confuses and eludes you. Truly, the world must be a scary place for someone like you. You have my sympathy.
Ask your mom, maybe she has colouring book somewhere that would be more your speed, because you really aren't any good at this.
^ Translation:
srankmissingnin: "The fight with Ronan didn't count! Ronan shouldn't have just meleed her nearly the whole time!!! Waaaaahhh!!!!"
everybody else: "Ronan didn't just melee her. In fact, he used the full extent of the Universal Weapon on her via a fullpower blast, among other things."
srankmissingnin: "Ronan shouldn't have used a fullpower blast, he should have meleed her more!!! Waaaahhh x2!!!!!!!"
everybody else: "lolwut?"
Your quick precipitous dive into pure ad hominem reveals a shockingly transparent feeling of vulnerability. If you hadn't been so desperate to bring down Gamora and all her opponents down to Wolverine, you could have avoided this.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Amen man...Amen.
^ Translation:srankmissingnin: "The fight with Ronan didn't count! Ronan shouldn't have just meleed her nearly the whole time!!! Waaaaahhh!!!!"
everybody else: "Ronan didn't just melee her. In fact, he used the full extent of the Universal Weapon on her via a fullpower blast, among other things."
srankmissingnin: "Ronan shouldn't have used a fullpower blast, he should have meleed her more!!! Waaaahhh x2!!!!!!!"
everybody else: "lolwut?"
Your quick precipitous dive into pure ad hominem reveals a shockingly transparent feeling of vulnerability. If you hadn't been so desperate to bring down Gamora and all her opponents down to Wolverine, you could have avoided this.
Originally posted by srankmissingninSo you think wolverine wins because you insult the people that support gamora?low man... 🙁 real low...
Are you seriously this dense? You should take a deep breath, count to ten and think about what you are saying because you are embarrassing your self.You don't see how Ronan hitting her with a barrage of full power blows to the head while she is locked down in a stasis field, is different than hitting her once? Really? Should I explain to you how 24 is more than 1? Do you have downs or something? Is there an adult some where who should to be supervising you?
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Generally speaking, the more you hit someone the more damage you can potentially do.Yeah that was my argument. 🙄
Ronan was using his powers ineffectively. PERIOD. He didn't use half of his abilities and the few times he did use some his more versatile powers - however briefly - he had huge advantages, but instead of capitalizing on them he gave them up and went back to meleeing and blasting her. How is that a effective display of his powers? He trapped her in a stasis field and instead of keeping her in it and ending the fight, he let her out of it off panel and went back to fighting like an idiot. In what reality is that an effective use of his powers? But please, tell me more about how Captain Boomerang is a match for the Flash.
Yes, we've already established you don't understand how more hits = more damage, but I'm not exactly sure how I can help you, if such a simple universal concept confuses and eludes you. Truly, the world must be a scary place for someone like you. You have my sympathy.
Ask your mom, maybe she has colouring book somewhere that would be more your speed, because you really aren't any good at this.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Translation:srankmissingnin: "The fight with Ronan didn't count! Ronan shouldn't have just meleed her nearly the whole time!!! Waaaaahhh!!!!"
everybody else: "Ronan didn't just melee her. In fact, he used the full extent of the Universal Weapon on her via a fullpower blast, among other things."
srankmissingnin: "Ronan shouldn't have used a fullpower blast, he should have meleed her more!!! Waaaahhh x2!!!!!!!"
everybody else: "lolwut?"
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Oh, the fight counts all right, it just isn't evidence of anything other than the fact that Gamora can fight Ronan who isn't using his powers effectively. If thats the argument you'd like to make, then go ahead, I agree with you, but implying that is is evidence that she can compete with Ronan going full out or that Ronan was using his abilities to their fullest potential just isn't true.
If the case you want to make is that Gamora can hold her own against Ronan in melee combat with some energy blasts thrown in for good measure that go ahead. I won't stop you, I'll just let you know that it really doesn't bring much to the table in this debate, since - you know - Wolverine would do the exact same thing.
Anyway, since you take objection to the idea of Ronan beating Gamora into submission with his Universal Weapon, then how about he just blasts her continuously while she is trapped in is stasis field? Would that make you happy? I don't want to confuse you anymore. The method was hardly important, the point - which of course managed to allude you - is that she was completely at his mercy inside the stasis field and he could have done whatever he wanted. The fight was over, he had her trapped, and he decided to hit her once, let her free and went back to the status quo and started meleeing her and blasting her which, apparently, is him fighting smart and using his powers effectively in your mind.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
So you think wolverine wins because you insult the people that support gamora?low man... 🙁 real low...
No Wolverine wins because he's better. If I insulted anyone - which I'm sure I wouldn't 'cause I'm a gentleman - it would be the patronizing pricks who purposely depreciate my posts and talk to me in a condescending manor, with an unjustified air of superiority. It's just a coincidence that those people also happen to think Gamora would win.