Gamora vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Looking at the plain presentation of the fight, without any preconceptions that people are desperately trying to project onto it, or the characters involved, we know that Ronan used the upper limits of the Universal Weapon directly on Gamora early on in the fight:

And it didn't overwhelm her, cause she was still fighting hard, which shows what level she operates on. Stop being obtuse.

No. We know he said he did... well... actually he didn't even say it, we know he implied he did. And that would be fine, if we didn't also know what Ronan was capable of doing, which is a hell of a lot more than he actually did. He didn't use his abilities to there fullest, so he wasn't going all out. What he said is inconsequential, what he did is more important and he didn't do anything that suggest he was going all out.

^ And what he did was use the upper limits of the Universal Weapon on her. Yes. That is very important when we measure Gamora's capabilities.

Originally posted by Deadline
and thats still irelevant because hes done stuff like that while beating up other people, hes still tough and he didn't just melee. Anyway according to those scans she took a powerful blast from Ronan.

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Its irrelevant that he wasn't using his powers properly? 😑

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Its irrelevant that he wasn't using his powers properly? 😑

You're not listening.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Its irrelevant that he wasn't using his powers properly?

Fascinating.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No. We know he said he did... well... actually he didn't even say it, we know he implied he did. And that would be fine, if we didn't also know what Ronan was capable of doing, which is a hell of a lot more than he actually did. He didn't use his abilities to there fullest, so he wasn't going all out. What he said is inconsequential, what he did is more important and he didn't do anything that suggest he was going all out.

Using the upper limits of his weapon = attacking with a blast at the apex of its power

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ And what he did was use the upper limits of the Universal Weapon on her. Yes. That is very important when we measure Gamora's capabilities.

Jesus. Somewhere out there is a bottle of medication that a judge and doctor would be interested to know you aren't taking.

Answer me these questions. Do you know what Ronan's powers are? Do you see him using them all? If he is going all out, then why isn't he using his powers?

What he said is of secondary importance to what he actually did, and he didn't do much. He wasn't using all his abilities, and the abilities he did use he didn't use effectively. He was limited to melee combat and energy blasts, which isn't Ronan going full out. It's not a mater of debate, its a fact.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Just because it didn't put down Gamora as quickly as you would have liked it to (because you're desperate to bring Gamora down to Wolverine's level and can't stand any evidence to the contrary), doesn't mean he acted in direct contradiction to his own words. Even though you profess to be reading the plain presentation of the comic, your argument essentially is: Ronan is a liar, so screw the plain meaning of his words.

Fascinating.

What was said is a contradiction to what was show. So tell me, how is what Ronan said more important than what he did? I understand you are desperate to bring Ronan down to Gamora's level and can't stand any evidence to the contrary, but we know what Ronan is capable of because we've seen him do it before, and he has done so much more then he did when he was allegedly using the full power of the Universal Weapon. So, either A) Ronan was talking out of his ass, B) the writer wrote Ronan down to Gamora's level for the sake of the plot or C) somehow Ronan was de-powered substantially. Pick one.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What was said is a contradiction to what was show. So tell me, how is what Ronan said more important than what he did? I understand you are desperate to bring Ronan down to Gamora's level and can't stand any evidence to the contrary, but we know what Ronan is capable of because we've seen him do it before, and he has done so much more then he did when he was allegedly using the full power of the Universal Weapon. So, either A) Ronan was talking out of his ass, B) the writer wrote Ronan down to Gamora's level for the sake of the plot or C) somehow Ronan was de-powered substantially. Pick one.

I feel this way everytime the Hulk fights Wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin
Soooooooooo... yeah.. ................

You just compared Wolverine vs. Gamora to Daredevil vs. Juggernaught.

Stated that drax proved Thanos was trying because of Gamora punching Drax and GAMORA trying to kill Thanos... which are both obvious reflections of Thanos' intent. 🙄

Implied that you believe a nerve strike can kill Thanos...
Concluded that Thing's fists are harder to get past then Wolverine's faster, deadlier, more accurate Adamantium claws.
And then just arbitrarily decided she has a definite skill advantage based on.... what again? Well.... she IS from space I guess..

😐

Originally posted by tkitna
I feel this way everytime the Hulk fights Wolverine.

Yes but you are a simpleton who doesn't understand how Wolverine can fight the Hulk when he only has peak human strength... failing to account for the rest of his power set.

By the way

Spoiler:
Magneto could fight the Hulk too

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What was said is a contradiction to what was show. So tell me, how is what Ronan said more important than what he did? I understand you are desperate to bring Ronan down to Gamora's level and can't stand any evidence to the contrary, but we know what Ronan is capable of because we've seen him do it before, and he has done so much more then he did when he was allegedly using the full power of the Universal Weapon. So, either A) Ronan was talking out of his ass, B) the writer wrote Ronan down to Gamora's level for the sake of the plot or C) somehow Ronan was de-powered substantially. Pick one.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Jesus. Somewhere out there is a bottle of medication that a judge and doctor would be interested to know you aren't taking.

Answer me these questions. Do you know what Ronan's powers are? Do you see him using them all? If he is going all out, then why isn't he using his powers?

What he said is of secondary importance to what he actually did, and he didn't do much. He wasn't using all his abilities, and the abilities he did use he didn't use effectively. He was limited to melee combat and energy blasts, which isn't Ronan going full out. It's not a mater of debate, its a fact.

Yes. Yes. He is.

Melee combat, charged hits, full power energy blasts, stasis fields, environmental manipulation via lava pits, flaming geysers and rockstorms, and matter manipulation directly on Godslayer. Reread the fight.

Originally posted by Blanket
She has better feats?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The case being made for Gamora winning this fight is built entire around four examples, and in each of the four cases the examples are being viewed without any consideration to the context in which the occurred. Of the four feats - even ignoring the context the way you guys are presenting them - only one of them is potentially more impressive than Wolverine's best feats... but hey, we are ignoring context here and talking out of our asses in support of Gamora, why not do the same for Wolverine? Lets completely ignore the context behind examples! Hurray! Gamora, briefly stalemated Thanos? Well Wolverine has done the same with Dark Pheonix. ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!

There are no feats that show Gamora being faster than Wolverine.

There are no feats that show Gamora being more skilled than Wolverine.

There are no feats that show Gamora can heal fast enough to take the damage Wolverine dishes out and still keep fighting.

There are no feats that show that Gamora has the ability to win this fight.

There are no feats that show Gamora being more skilled than Wolverine.(False)

There are no feats that show Gamora can heal fast enough to take the damage Wolverine dishes out and still keep fighting.(probably true)

There are no feats that show that Gamora has the ability to win this (false)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You only need to pick one if you desperately hold onto the preconceived notion that Gamora is below Wolverine's level. Saying you're looking at the plain presentation of the comic doesn't mean you're doing it. And projecting Wolverine onto each and every one of these characters to bring them and their actions/feats down to Wolveirne's level simply because you can't stomach the fact that Wolverine can be outclassed is pathetic. Cute.

Yes. Yes. He is.

Melee combat, charged hits, full power energy blasts, stasis fields, environmental manipulation via lava pits, flaming geysers and rockstorms, and matter manipulation directly on Godslayer. Reread the fight.

No flight. No force fields. No invisibility. No gravity manipulation. He trapped her in a stasis field, zapped her and let her out. Why not keep her trapped and bash her head in? He transmuted the area directly under her feat into lava. Why not xmute the entire field into lava? Obviously he wasn't using his abilities to their full potential, and you don't have a leg to stand on when you say he was. This fight was Flash vs. Captain Boomerang, and you are telling me how Flash was going all out and that Captain Boomerang is the best, even though logically he has no chance of winning.

Originally posted by tkitna
I have a question for you Battlehammer and I know your in love with Wolverine, but try to be honest and sensible here.

Originally posted by tkitna
Do you realize how easy it would be for a a character that is strong enough to lift 100 tons or better to just hold both of Wolverines wrists and beat on him like a slab of meat? What could Wolverine possibly do? Seriously, i'll be generous and say that Wolverine can lift a ton or two and he cant be held down by a character that is 100 times stronger? Thinking otherwise is stupid and ignorant. Wolverine should never beat or even hang with a class 100 character.

Originally posted by tkitna
As for his first appearance, he was nothing more than an annoyance to the Hulk and he was nothing more than a D-list character that was plugged into a story for God knows why

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Originally posted by tkitna
He got thrown onto the X-Men (again only god knows why) and became one of the first real vigalante type heros that changed the way comics were being portrayed at the time and people jumped on the wagon.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes but you are a simpleton who doesn't understand how Wolverine can fight the Hulk when he only has peak human strength... failing to account for the rest of his power set.

By the way

Spoiler:
Magneto could fight the Hulk too

The example is the same premise though. Your stating that Ronan didnt fight to the best of his abilities and actually went into that fight not even trying or something because Gamora hung and did well. Well, when a being that can lift and support things in the billion ton range and can tag Quicksilver type characters has trouble with a Canadian midget with a healing factor and some claws, I get the same feeling. It makes me want to borrow one of your PIS cards from your over stacked deck.

This whole thread is silly. Gamora works on another teir than what Wolverine is or can handle. Sorry, its just the way it is. I realize there is no talking any sense into you or the the other two members on the board that took your side so i'll extend the olive branch.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
There are no feats that show Gamora being faster than Wolverine.(false)

Name one.

Here best "speed feat" is shoulder checking Ronan, where the sound effect was WHOOOM (according to Gamora supports... the sound effect is important in determining the impressiveness of the feat). She doesn't have any speed feats on the same level as Wolverine's best. In fact... she doesn't have any speed feats that would be average for street level MA's. Your opinion of Gamora's speed needs to be backed by some on panel examples of her show casing that speed, and there aren't any.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
There are no feats that show Gamora being more skilled than Wolverine.(False)

Here best feat of skill is a training match or spar with Thanos, and the fact that it was a training match robs it of any relevance. It's immaterial. It holds no water at all. Batman spars with Wonder Woman. Black Widow spared with Wolverine when she was 12. Hell, Ronan went shot for shot with here in melee and he is no Captain America. As it stands, the most skilled fighter Gamora has ever fought was Wolverine, and she didn't win.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
There are no feats that show Gamora can heal fast enough to take the damage Wolverine dishes out and still keep fighting.(probably true)
B]

Completely true.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
[B]There are no feats that show that Gamora has the ability to win this (false)

Still waiting to see them.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I can't believe you guys are still trying to say that Ronan was fighting to the best of his abilities. Do you have any idea who Ronan is? Do you have any idea what he is capable of? You don't even need to read any of his other appearances (since I'm sure that is waaaaaaaaaaay to much to ask in any of your cases), just read the two issues in that mini series from before he fought Gamora.

Its even evident in the scan you posted that Ronan wasn't fighting to the best of his abilities. The very [b]moment he did something mildly creative instead of energy blasts and meleeing, Gamora was locked in a stasis field unable to move... and then he let her out for some reason off panel. Ronan can fly. Ronan can control gravity. He can create forces fields. He only used his powers twice - briefly - and went back into melee some more. The suggestion that he was going all out is absurd. Its ridiculous. If he was going all out he would have kept her inside that stasis field. He would have disabled her gravity. He would have sat in side of a force field while he blasted her. He would have gone invisible. He would have flown. How can you look at a fight where Ronan doesn't use any of his abilities, fights in melee like a jackass and say "wow Gamora can fight Ronan at his very absolute best!" Nothing Ronan did in that fight would have put Wolverine down either.

Ronan did not use his powers effectively in that fight. If he had he would have won instantly. Its not a mater of debate, go and look at what he is capable of doing.

Shoulder checking Ronan is NOT a speed feat, and certainly not a speed feat of Wolverine's caliber. [/B]

Originally posted by tkitna
The example is the same premise though. Your stating that Ronan didnt fight to the best of his abilities and actually went into that fight not even trying or something because Gamora hung and did well. Well, when a being that can lift and support things in the billion ton range and can tag Quicksilver type characters has trouble with a Canadian midget with a healing factor and some claws, I get the same feeling. It makes me want to borrow one of you PIS cards from your over stacked deck.

This whole thread is silly. Gamora works on another teir than what Wolverine is or can handle. Sorry, its just the way it is. I realize there is no talking any sense into you or the the other two members on the board that took your side so i'll extend the olive branch.

But once again you aren't taking Wolverine's skill set into account. Hulk doesn't have any trouble tagging Wolverine - obviously Wolverine is the faster of the two and usually evades several of the Hulk's attacks before Hulk manages to hit him, but he still does hit him - the two usually slug it out and go shot for shot. So what do you think is being written down on the Hulk's part? Wolverine's healing factor can take haymakers from the Hulk in stride. Why is that a problem? Its what he does and pretty much always has done. Its well established that Hulk is giving Wolverine his best and that Wolverine is taking in stride. You might as well say you don't think Hulk should be able to take hits from Thor. Wolverine not being a class 100 doesn't have any baring on the effectiveness of his healing factor, the two things are completely unrelated, not sure why that is hard to wrap your head around, honestly.

/shrug

And yet for all the talk of Gamora working on another level than Wolverine, it has yet to be shown in this thread or in the comics for that matter.

Nice picture btw, are we best friends now? 😎