Gamora vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by tkitna
You seem to know a lot about the character. Dont you think its pretty impressive that regardless of all his other showings, he decided to use the UPPER level of his universal weapon against Gamora. Not Captain Marvel, not the Fantastic Four, not the Shiar, but Gamora. Hmph. I wonder why that is.

Clearly he would have had to use the extreme upper limits of his weapon against Wolverine too. 🙄

And according to Thor, Wolverine is faster than he is, and easily able to avoid and shrug off his fiercest most powerful blows! ZOMG! 😱

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

Which is why we have forum rules. You should read them. On KMC characters fight to the best of their abilities. Ronan wasn't fighting to the best of his abilities, he was written down in order for Gamora to stand a chance and advance the plot. So the fight doesn't hold much water. It certainly suggest that Gamora could compete with Ronan in a melee slugfest. Big deal. I would have told you that before they fought. It doesn't how ever, suggest that she has any shot of beating Ronan if he was fighting at his peak capabilities.

Seriously, you are using the sound effect made in an attempt to validate your argument? Seriously? No... seriously? Grasbing at straws much? Oh and BTW, you [b]didn't even get the sound effect right. It is WHOOOM, which if we are going to go so low as to use sound effects in attempt to validate our opinions, is a combination of whooosh (which is a whoshing sound) and boom (which is a impact sound). She was like three feet away from Ronan in the panel before she shoulder checked him, then in between that panel and the next she landed on the ground and shoulder checked him. Where is the speed feat? No where? Yeah, I know, [/B]

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^ "WHOOOM" seems like sonic boom sound effect? Or an indication of how powerful the hit is as a result of her speed? Maybe? Erm?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And according to Thor, Wolverine is faster than he is, and easily able to avoid and shrug off his fiercest most powerful blows! ZOMG!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

Which is why we have forum rules. You should read them. On KMC characters fight to the best of their abilities. Ronan wasn't fighting to the best of his abilities, he was written down in order for Gamora to stand a chance and advance the plot. So the fight doesn't hold much water. It certainly suggest that Gamora could compete with Ronan in a melee slugfest. Big deal. I would have told you that before they fought. It doesn't how ever, suggest that she has any shot of beating Ronan if he was fighting at his peak capabilities.

Seriously, you are using the sound effect made in an attempt to validate your argument? Seriously? No... seriously? Grasbing at straws much? Oh and BTW, you [b]didn't even get the sound effect right. It is WHOOOM, which if we are going to go so low as to use sound effects in attempt to validate our opinions, is a combination of whooosh (which is a whoshing sound) and boom (which is a impact sound). She was like three feet away from Ronan in the panel before she shoulder checked him, then in between that panel and the next she landed on the ground and shoulder checked him. Where is the speed feat? No where? Yeah, I know, [/B]

Um you missed his point.

Originally posted by Deadline
Um you missed his point.

No his points just didn't matter. He said characters don't always fight to their full abilities. Obviously, but those fights don't matter here. He said the writer wanted to make the statement that Gamora was a match for Ronan, but in order to make that statement he had to write Ronan down to Gamora's level and limit him from using his full abilities... which brings us full circle back to point number one.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No his points just didn't matter. He said characters don't always fight to their full abilities. Obviously, but those fights don't matter here. He said the writer wanted to make the statement that Gamora was a match for Ronan, but in order to make that statement he had to write Ronan down to Gamora's level and limit him from using his full abilities... which brings us full circle back to point number one.

*sigh* I just dont have the motivation anymore.

Wolverinie 6/10

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No his points just didn't matter. He said characters don't always fight to their full abilities. Obviously, but those fights don't matter here. He said the writer wanted to make the statement that Gamora was a match for Ronan, but in order to make that statement he had to write Ronan down to Gamora's level and limit him from using his full abilities... which brings us full circle back to point number one.

What the hell. It doesnt matter if he wasn't fighting to full ability, Ronan is still a formidable opponent. Secondly he actually used more of his power than some of his fights in the series. Look at his fight vs Ravenous. Obvoulsy he broke out the big guns because Gamora was that tough.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ "WHOOOM" seems like sonic boom sound effect? Or an indication of how powerful the hit is as a result of her speed? Maybe? Erm? Thor's been wrong about that stuff before. He has a predilection for expressing dismay upon his own efforts/vulnerabilities, i.e., "I'm gonna fall off a building and it will hurt." Perhaps an unfortunate side-effect of different writers, but it's also been demonstrated in a fight with the same guy, where he says "full power blows have no effect!" before and ends up using full power blows later and obviously it affects them. Projecting Thor's propensity onto Ronan is a prevarication around the plain presentation of the comic. Ronan went all-out on Gamora directly with his Universal Weapon.

Sure is convenient that the only time a characters musings can be taken at face value is when it supports your opinion.

Ronan wasn't using his abilities to their full potential, or even close to it, therefor he wasn't going all out. If Gamora was fighting, Hal Jordan and he decided to melee her but also said "Oh boy - I'm using my full powers here!" would you thing A) ZOMG Gamora can fight a Green Lantern going full out! or B) Hal Jordan clearly was going full out.

Seriously, if there was group of 20 people sitting around a room talking about comics and somebody said Wolverine could beat Gamora, that person would be laughed at. I just cant believe this thread is still alive.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sure is convenient that the only time a characters musings can be taken at face value is when it supports your opinion.

Ronan wasn't using his abilities to their full potential, or even close to it, therefor he wasn't going all out. If Gamora was fighting, Hal Jordan and he decided to melee her but also said "Oh boy - I'm using my full powers here!" would you thing A) ZOMG Gamora can fight a Green Lantern going full out! or B) Hal Jordan clearly was going full out.

I think its actually supported by the rest of the series where he doesnt use it against certain opponents.

I`ll give Wolvie the benefit of doubt and say that Gamora only takes a good majority.

What level is ronan at? Is he a low, mid, or high herald?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sure is convenient that the only time a characters musings can be taken at face value is when it supports your opinion.

Ronan wasn't using his abilities to their full potential, or even close to it, therefor he wasn't going all out. If Gamora was fighting, Hal Jordan and he decided to melee her but also said "Oh boy - I'm using my full powers here!" would you thing A) ZOMG Gamora can fight a Green Lantern going full out! or B) Hal Jordan clearly was going full out.

Because you want to ignore the plain presentation of the story. The notion is literally stated on-panel. IDLI, IDH doesn't constitute an argument. Stop presuming Gamora is at a lower level and that she couldn't have survived the full extent of the Universal Weapon and you might be able to actually gather what happened, and what everyone's been saying to you for the last 27 pages.

Originally posted by Deadline
What the hell. It doesnt matter if he wasn't fighting to full ability, Ronan is still a formidable opponent. Secondly he actually used more of his power than some of his fights in the series. Look at his fight vs Ravenous. Obvoulsy he broke out the big guns because Gamora was that tough.

Gamora can melee Ronan. If thats the argument you want to make go a head, I'm not going to argue with you. Of course she can melee Ronan. Ronan doesn't have an significant amount of superhuman combat speed or an edge in fighting skill. I could have told you before they fought that Gamora could fight Ronan in melee combat, but Ronan fighting in melee combat isn't anywhere the same as Ronan at his max potential... its not even close to it. Wolverine could fight Thor in melee combat, if Thor decided he was going to forgo all his advantages and get into a ground based slugfest... but that isn't how Wolverine vs Thor would be accurately portrayed of Thor was using all his abilities, now is it?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Irony.

Because you want to ignore the plain presentation of the story. The notion is literally stated on-panel. IDLI, IDH doesn't constitute an argument. Stop presuming Gamora is at a lower level and that she couldn't have survived the full extent of the Universal Weapon and you might be able to actually gather what happened, and what everyone's been saying to you for the last 27 pages.

Yeah except for the only way to take it at face value is to view the feat inside a bubble without any consideration to what Ronan has done and can potentially do. There are no presumptions here, because it doesn't require any. We know what Ronan can do, and we know he didn't do it, its as simple as that. He didn't use his powers to their fullest, so he couldn't have been going all out. Ronan was written down to Gamora's level and his power set was neutered for the sake of the fight, its clear as day to anyone who knows what Ronan can do.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Gamora can melee Ronan. If thats the argument you want to make go a head, I'm not going to argue with you. Of course she can melee Ronan. Ronan doesn't have an significant amount of superhuman combat speed or an edge in fighting skill. I could have told you before they fought that Gamora could fight Ronan in melee combat, but Ronan fighting in melee combat isn't anywhere the same as Ronan at his max potential... its not even close to it. Wolverine could fight Thor in melee combat, if Thor decided he was going to forgo all his advantages and get into a ground based slugfest... but that isn't how Wolverine vs Thor would be accurately portrayed of Thor was using all his abilities, now is it?

Ronan didnt just use melee he was actually using his matter manipulation powers as well.

edit: I think that was a different fight actually.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yeah except for the only way to take it at face value is to view the feat inside a bubble without any consideration to what Ronan has done and can potentially do. There are no presumptions here, because it doesn't require any. We [b]know what Ronan can do, and we know he didn't do it, its as simple as that. He didn't use his powers to their fullest, so he couldn't have been going all out. Ronan was written down to Gamora's level and his power set was neutered for the sake of the fight, its clear as day to anyone who knows what Ronan can do. [/B]

And it didn't overwhelm her, cause she was still fighting hard, which shows what level she operates on. Stop being obtuse.

Originally posted by Deadline
Ronan didnt just use melee he was actually using his matter manipulation powers as well.

He turned the ground under her feet into lava once and put her in a stasis field once. If he was using his powers effectively this is the stuff he would have been doing, only on a much larger scale. Hell, he could have just kept her in that stasis field and the fight would have been over, Ronan has a ton of powers and versatility that he just wasn't using. He was - for the most part - limited to just melee and energy blasts, and that just isn't Ronan fighting at his full potential. Its what Ronan needed to do in order for the fight to make sense, and for Gamora to stand a chance, but its not Ronan at his best and I don't see how anyone would make the case that it is.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He turned the ground under her feet into lava once and put her in a stasis field once. If he was using his powers effectively this is the stuff he would have been doing, only on a much larger scale. Hell, he could have just kept her in that stasis field and the fight would have been over, Ronan has a ton of powers and versatility that he just wasn't using. He was - for the most part - limited to just melee and energy blasts, and that just isn't Ronan fighting at his full potential. Its what Ronan needed to do in order for the fight to make sense, and for Gamora to stand a chance, but its not Ronan at his best and I don't see how anyone would make the case that it is.

and thats still irelevant because hes done stuff like that while beating up other people, hes still tough and he didn't just melee. Anyway according to those scans she took a powerful blast from Ronan.