^ You go ahead and do that when it suits you. As it stands, context and the plain presentation of the comic both exhibited that Gamora matched Ronan, causing him to resort to using the full power of the Universal Weapon. And this was before the Godslayer was even drawn.
"IDLI, IDH" doesn't pass for an argument.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0how does her matching ronan translate to her winning?
^ Are you still on about this? crackers That's essentially your argument boiled down. And all it amounts to... is a fairly transparent (and whiny) "IDLI, IDH."Gamora matched Ronan. Get over it. Just anothe roe example why Gamora wins. kinda
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You go ahead and do that when it suits you. As it stands, context and the plain presentation of the comic both exhibited that Gamora matched Ronan, causing him to resort to using the full power of the Universal Weapon. And this was before the Godslayer was even drawn."IDLI, IDH" doesn't pass for an argument.
Like I've said a million times, thats only the case if you view the fight inside a bubble and ignore everything else. You have Ronan's entire history to evaluate before you can say he was going all out or fighting effectively... and if you actually did that, you'd see he wasn't.
Why do you even bother responding to my posts? You don't have any counter points to make, you ignore everything I've said in the post you are responding to because - well lets face it - I'm right and you really don't have leg to stand on, and so all you do is reword something you've already said and that I've addressed half a million times already. I mean don't you get tired of not having anything valid to say? I would think that would start to get disheartening eventually.
Making up acronyms, doesn't add any weight to your case. IDLI, IDH isn't a thing, its an acronym you made up in an attempt to circumvent forum rules and cite examples of PIS. I mean... I can make up shit too...
"Ah, of course. Resulting to the IPBIHMC (Its PIS But It Helps My Case), as per usually I see. How trite haha." /wear a monocle
^ "Ignore everything else" like Ronan using the full power of the Universal Weapon, Gamora's history in fighting opponents on that level throughout her history and that Gamora underwent a cosmic upgrade?
Do you get tired of using IDLI, IDH in any argument that makes Wolverine less godly?
It didn't work when you acted like Wolverine can't have his brain penetrated, despite it happening a dozen times on-panel. It ain't working here either when the comic clearly shows Gamora matching Ronan fully on-panel.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Better question is, how does Gamora matching Ronan translate to her losing?
It doesn't translate into her losing, its just doesn't translate into her winning, and quite frankly he needs too, because if it doesn't it is just one more feat in the short stack of Gamora' feats filed under "Not a Case for Gamora Winning." If you want to check the file out to see whats in there, you can't miss it, its the file one right behind that empty folder titled "A Case for Gamora Winning."
Originally posted by srankmissingninYeah. It pretty much does translate into her winning when you understand the ramifications it has on the sheer level of physicality required in such an extended fight against such an opponent.
It doesn't translate into her losing, its just doesn't translate into her winning, and quite frankly he needs too, because if it doesn't it is just one more feat in the short stack of Gamora' feats filed under "Not a Case for Gamora Winning." If you want to check the file out to see whats in there, you can't miss it, its the file one right behind that empty folder titled "A Case for Gamora Winning."
Keep acting like IDLI, IDH suffices as cogent argumentation. Worked like a charm with Wolverine can't have his brain penetrated argument! doped
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ "Ignore everything else" like Ronan using the full power of the Universal Weapon, Gamora's history in fighting opponents on that level throughout her history and that Gamora underwent a cosmic upgrade?Do you get tired of using IDLI, IDH in any argument that makes Wolverine less godly?
It didn't work when you acted like Wolverine can't have his brain penetrated, despite it happening a dozen times on-panel. It ain't working here either when the comic clearly shows Gamora matching Ronan fully on-panel.
No, like everything else like Ronan's entire history. The reason you think Gamora fighting Ronan is impressive is because of what Ronan has done in the past... and yet in order for you make the claim that he was going all out, you need to ignore everything he has done in the past. Which is apparently something you are comfortable with. You'd like the reap the benefits of Ronan's history in order to bump Gamora up several levels, but you don't think the feat should be put to any scrutiny or compared to the history you'd like to capitalize on to make your case? Yeah... that doesn't sound shifty.
Anyway, if Ronan was going all out or not is pretty irrelevant in the long run... well to this fight, at least. It only really matters in fights that involve Ronan, since it can be used as evidence against him in fights with other top tiers. What happened happened regardless of whether or not Ronan was going all out or not. You can argue that he was going all out if you like, that just makes Ronan look bad, but he did what he did regardless. Its just that nothing that happened is a case that Gamora is better than Wolverine. I mean, out side summoning Godslayer and a few feats of strength, nothing really happened that Wolverine couldn't or hasn't replicated a dozen times. But hey... maybe you don't think Ronan is a match for Wolverine either? Because if thats the best Ronan can do - and you seem to think it is - he doesn't have what it takes to beat Wolverine either.
Or maybe Ronan has the yips or something. He did get rage stomped by three lame as Shi'ar Guardsmen. /shrug
I've explained every example of Wolverine's brain penetration to you as well, several times, you just ignore that as well. Short of working the information something that you are capable of digesting like a pop up book or a nursery rhyme, I'm not really sure I can help you process the information.
Hulk has fought Thor. Hulk's beat the living crap out of Thor. Thor says hes going all out. Thor says Hulk can take the best be can dish out. Is that how a Thor vs. Hulk fight would really go? Do you think Hulk can beat Thor? Because - just so you know - that is the case you are making here. Or maybe all the people who think Hulk isn't really a match for Thor suffering form IDLI, IDH? Maybe you should go to the Hulk vs Thor thread, and let everyone know that Hulk would win? DUR
^ You only think it makes Ronan look bad, because you wish to drag Gamora down to Wolverine's level. Stop putting the cart before the horse.
Arguing that Ronan didn't go all out against Gamora, even though he did on-panel, because you didn't like it, so it didn't happen doesn't prove Wolverine is superior than Gamora. Frankly, it's about as nonsensical as pretending Wolverine can't have his brain penetrated. Even though it has happened near a dozen times on-panel.
IDLI, IDH didn't win that argument. It ain't winning this one. And your continuing unbelievability towards the painfully obvious undeniability of the penetrability of Wolverine's brain simply reflects how a$$-backwards your entire disposition towards what "on-panel proof" actually means.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You only think it makes Ronan look bad, because you wish to drag Gamora down to Wolverine's level. Stop putting the cart before the horse.Arguing that Ronan didn't go all out against Gamora, even though he did on-panel, because you didn't like it, so it didn't happen doesn't prove Wolverine is superior than Gamora. Frankly, it's about as nonsensical as pretending Wolverine can't have his brain penetrated. Even though it has happened near a dozen times on-panel.
IDLI, IDH didn't win that argument. It ain't winning this one. And your continuing unbelievability towards the painfully obvious undeniability of the penetrability of Wolverine's brain simply reflects how a$$-backwards your entire disposition towards what "on-panel proof" actually means.
I don't think it makes Ronan look bad, I know it does because I know what he can do. It's like Silver Surfer fighting some shumk saying he is going all out, and the whole time I'm thinking "I read your comics, you could just turn him into a cat dude," and mean while you are thinking "oh shit, this guy can fight the Silver Surfer going all out! Awesome."
He didn't go all out on panel, he said he did (actually he didn't even do that... he suggested it), and there is a difference between the two. Anyway - IF he was going all out (and remember that he wasn't), all that really shows is that doesn't have the means to beat Wolverine, because nothing he did to Gamora would have taken Wolverine down. Still nothing there that shows Gamora can beat Wolverine.
I've addressed every single instance of Wolverine's brain penetration with you ad nauseum. You just choose to ignore me. You think that viewing each example together as a unite somehow ads credence to them as a whole, but in reality they are all separate examples involving separate pieces of human anatomy (I know confusing right, the skull has more than one piece and isn't a singular unit, don't worry buddy I'm here to help you), that have nothing to do with one another. Go back and read my last post on the subject - pretty much covered this pretty in depth. Flat out, answer this question: what does getting shot through the auditory hiatus has to do with getting shot through the nasal cavity one way or another?
Okay, so.... yes? You think Hulk can beat Thor because he's done it before?
^ So now Wolverine beats Ronan going all-out. Once again, dragging the likes of Thanos, PG Drax, Maxam, Adam Warlock and Ronan down below Wolverine to avoid having someone like Gamora be above him. Fine work it be.
You've addressed every single instance of Wolverine having his brain penetrated with "IDLI, IDH." And it kept happening again on-panel even as we were arguing over it (that was delicious btw).
Can Hulk beat Thor since he has beaten Thor before? There's an oxymoron in that question... maybe? laughcry
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ So now Wolverine beats Ronan going all-out. Once again, dragging the likes of Thanos, PG Drax, Maxam, Adam Warlock and Ronan down below Wolverine to avoid having someone like Gamora be above him. Fine work it be.You've addressed every single instance of Wolverine having his brain penetrated with "IDLI, IDH." And it kept happening again on-panel even as we were arguing over it (that was delicious btw).
Can Hulk beat Thor since he has beaten Thor before? There's an oxymoron in that question... maybe? laughcry
I think Wolverine can beat Ronan as he was displayed in his fight with Gamora, you are the one who thinks that was Ronan going all out not me. If you think that was Ronan going all out that Wolverine can hang with him going all out. That's all you my friend. You decided.
Addressed with anatomy lessons and the fact that we've seen that every part of Wolverine's skull that would need to be missing in order for him to be shot through those areas is in fact covered with Adamantium, and there for couldn't be penetrate. So what we have is a few examples of PIS that have little to nothing to do with one another (I noticed you didn't answer my question btw, real shocker) but that you'd like to cite anyways so you made up an acronym to try an bypass forum rules and not look like such an idiot. ZOMG! I can use my fake acronym too!!! IPBIHMC (Its PIS But It Helps My Case) You came up with a theory to explain why Wolverine was shot in the brain, a theory that doesn't need to exist in the first place because every example of it happening is an isolated ignorance and will be ignored as PIS. Your theory doesn't even have any evidence to support it. You came up with the theory to explain how Wolverine - a man with an Adamantium skull - could be shot in the brain, your theory is that he is missing bones, your evidence to support your theory... is that he was able to be shot on the brain in the first place. Yeah but what? The evidence that supports your theory is the problem you where trying to solve by creating your theory in the first place.
So yes. You think Hulk can beat Thor going all out.
^ The comic plainly presents that Ronan wasn't holding back. And now you think Wolverine can beat Ronan who isn't holding back, because you can't stomach Gamora matching him. Fascinating.
I don't need a "theory" to validate the possibility that Wolverine can have his brain penetrated. It has been penetrated on-panel, near a dozen times that I know of. Who cares about theories when there's indisputable proof. And again, you react with, "IDLI, IDH." Even with on-panel proof. Which is consistent with most of your "arguments."
Nice straw-man. He looks like he's... made of straw! doped
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ The comic plainly presents that Ronan wasn't holding back. And now you think Wolverine can beat Ronan who isn't holding back, because you can't stomach Gamora matching him. Fascinating.I don't need a "theory" to validate the possibility that Wolverine can have his brain penetrated. It has been penetrated on-panel, near a dozen times that I know of. Who cares about theories when there's indisputable proof. And again, you react with, "IDLI, IDH." Even with on-panel proof. Which is consistent with most of your "arguments."
Nice straw-man. He looks like he's... made of straw! doped
Like I said, Wolverine can beat Ronan as he was depicted in that incounter, nothing he did in that fight would put down Wolverine, but you are the one who thinks that was Ronan going all out.
Once again: what does being penetrated through the auditory hiatus have to do with being shot through the nasal cavity? Grouping isolated incidences together doesn't help validate your case. The two have nothing to do with one another... or any of the other examples. We've seen the side of Wolverine's skull, his auditory hiatus isn't abnormally large, so a cross bow counted possibly go through. We've seen the greater wing of Wolverine's sphenoid bone, we've seen every bone in his orbital cavity, so we know he has them all, so a large calibur bullet couldn't possibly go through. So instead of realizing that the author made a mistake about the size / angle / orientation of the superior orbital fissure, you decided that Wolverine must be missing bones in his skull. You don't see how that is a stretch? Seriously?
Wolverine needed to be taken down even momentarily to advance the plot. The writer couldn't figure out how to do it. These are the methods the came up with. They are stupid and don't make sense. So... to recap, examples you are using are A) stupid, B) non-sensible and C) happened purely to advance the plot. I wonder if there is some sort of rule or precedent to deal with things like this? Maybe we should think of something? That probably be good right?
So yes you think Hulk can beat Thor going all out just like Gamora can beat Ronan going all out. Right? Thats what you think, correct?
^ No, he couldn't. He'd get knocked unconscious if blasted by the full power of the Universal Weapon once trapped in a stasis field. 😐
You don't see how it's a stretch that Wolverine cannot have his brain penetrated even though it has been like... eight or nine times already on-panel? crackers
Lead weakness was developed to advance a plot against super-powered Daxamites with no kryptonite weakness. Lead... one of the most prevalent elements in the universe. That's like an entire alien race being deathly allergic to hydrogen. But just because it's stupid, doesn't make it any less true. Frankly, your stubborn obtusity over simple matters like Wolverine's brain vulnerability makes any discussion over Gamora futile. Even if something is clearly and unequivocally true on-panel, you won't except it if it suggests a deficiency in Wolverine's character. Your purported skepticism towards Gamora are dubious at best with such blatant proclivity.
You should put a straw-hat on this straw-man. Make him even straw-ier. duryes
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ No, he couldn't. He'd get knocked unconscious if blasted by the full power of the Universal Weapon once trapped in a stasis field. 😐You don't see how it's a stretch that Wolverine cannot have his brain penetrated even though it has been like... eight or nine times already on-panel? crackers
Lead weakness was developed to advance a plot against super-powered Daxamites with no kryptonite weakness. Lead... one of the most prevalent elements in the universe. That's like an entire alien race being deathly allergic to hydrogen. But just because it's stupid, doesn't make it any less true. Frankly, your stubborn obtusity over simple matters like Wolverine's brain vulnerability makes any discussion over Gamora futile. Even if something is clearly and unequivocally true on-panel, you won't except it if it suggests a deficiency in Wolverine's character. Your purported skepticism towards Gamora are dubious at best with such blatant proclivity.
You should put a straw-hat on this straw-man. Make him even straw-ier. duryes
Based on what? Not only could it down down Gamora, even phase her. Besides' he's shrugged off worse. No, what Ronan would do is trap him for 5 seconds, blast him once, let him go, and the go back to fighting like a moron.. I mean "all out."
Yeah but we know about the lead weakness because it was stated on panel, not because some random dude on a forum pulled it out of his ass so he could come up with a reason why Midnighter wouldn't get raged stomped into the ground by Wolverine. A Daxamite didn't arbitrarily put a pencil into his mouth one day and laps into a coma, leaving you to say "Oh well I guess he is allergic to lead then". You wouldn't have nearly enough information to come to that conclusion. We know Kryptonite weakens Kryptonians, and Lead weakens Daxamites, because it has been stated, on panel a million freaking times, its well documented. But in Wolverine's case we have something that has never been stated, hell, not only that never even been hinted at or suggested. No one has ever said, oh boy you know whats interesting, during these x-rays / scans we've been taking periodically for the last 30 something years we found out Wolverine is missing half the bones in his skull! Ulitimate Wolverine has been around for less than 10 years and we know about the one bone in his body that isn't covered in Adamantium... but you think that Wolverine is missing half the bones in his face and that in 36 years of comics it just never came up? Its a ****ing secret? So secret it doesn't even get mentioned in the hand books? Yeah thats likely.
Here's what we know. Wolverine has an Adamantium skull. We've seen all the areas that would need to be missing in order for him to be shot or stabbed in the brain in the methods you have cited. Having seen those areas the examples are not possible. It's as simple as that. We've seen Wolverine's skull, we've seen his skull about 20 or 30 times, we've seen all the parts of his skull that would need to be missing in order for your examples to be logical, and they aren't missing (some of the pieces that would need to be missing even house parts of the brain - which mean Wolverine is missing parts of his brain in your theory as well), we seen them a hell of a lot more than the half a dozen odd times he has had his brain penetrated. So we have a mistake about the size and angle of auditory hiatus. We have a mistake about the size / angle / orientation of the superior orbital fissure. We have a mistake about... what ever Daniel Way was aiming for, which I have no f'n clue. The Mystique example one his theoretically possible, just a one and a million shot. I fail to see how any one of those as anything to do with the other or how they are concrete evidence that Wolverine is missing bones in his skull. If your theory was true Bone claw Wolverine's skull wouldn't even have enough pieces to remain a cohesiveness structure, part of his brain would be missing and his head would be a drooping, warped, shifting mess leaking shit all over the place.
Still waiting on your to answer this question, what does getting shot through the auditory hiatus has to do with getting shot through the nasal cavity one way or another?
It's not a strawman my friend, its exactly the same situation. You just can't see the absurdity of your position for god knows what reason. Prehaps you'd like to explain the differences.