Gamora vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Based on what? Not only could it down down Gamora, even phase her. Besides' he's shrugged off worse. No, what Ronan would do is trap him for 5 seconds, blast him once, let him go, and the go back to fighting like a moron.. I mean "all out."

Yeah but we know about the lead weakness because it was stated on panel, not because some random dude on a forum pulled it out of his ass so he could come up with a reason why Midnighter wouldn't get raged stomped into the ground by Wolverine. A Daxamite didn't arbitrarily put a pencil into his mouth one day and laps into a coma, leaving you to say "Oh well I guess he is allergic to lead then". You wouldn't have nearly enough information to come to that conclusion. We know Kryptonite weakens Kryptonians, and Lead weakens Daxamites, because it has been stated, on panel a million freaking times, its well documented. But in Wolverine's case we have something that has never been stated, hell, not only that never even been hinted at or suggested. No one has ever said, oh boy you know whats interesting, during these x-rays / scans we've been taking periodically for the last 30 something years we found out Wolverine is missing half the bones in his skull! Ulitimate Wolverine has been around for less than 10 years and we know about the one bone in his body that isn't covered in Adamantium... but you think that Wolverine is missing half the bones in his face and that in 36 years of comics it just never came up? Its a ****ing secret? So secret it doesn't even get mentioned in the hand books? Yeah thats likely.

Here's what we know. Wolverine has an Adamantium skull. We've seen all the areas that would need to be missing in order for him to be shot or stabbed in the brain in the methods you have cited. Having seen those areas the examples are not possible. It's as simple as that. We've seen Wolverine's skull, we've seen his skull about 20 or 30 times, we've seen all the parts of his skull that would need to be missing in order for your examples to be logical, and they aren't missing (some of the pieces that would need to be missing even house parts of the brain - which mean Wolverine is missing parts of his brain in your theory as well), we seen them a hell of a lot more than the half a dozen odd times he has had his brain penetrated. So we have a mistake about the size and angle of auditory hiatus. We have a mistake about the size / angle / orientation of the superior orbital fissure. We have a mistake about... what ever Daniel Way was aiming for, which I have no f'n clue. The Mystique example one his theoretically possible, just a one and a million shot. I fail to see how any one of those as anything to do with the other or how they are concrete evidence that Wolverine is missing bones in his skull. If your theory was true Bone claw Wolverine's skull wouldn't even have enough pieces to remain a cohesiveness structure, part of his brain would be missing and his head would be a drooping, warped, shifting mess leaking shit all over the place.

[b]Still waiting on your to answer this question, what does getting shot through the auditory hiatus has to do with getting shot through the nasal cavity one way or another?

It's not a strawman my friend, its exactly the same situation. You just can't see the absurdity of your position for god knows what reason. Prehaps you'd like to explain the differences. [/B]

Yes, we know about the lead weakness because it's stated on-panel. We also know that Wolverine's brain can be penetrated because that's also stated and demonstrated on-panel. arrrgh

Here's what we know: Wolverine's brain has been penetrated multiple times on-panel. We also know you don't like it, so it didn't happen (apparently). doped

Answer to question: It proves that Wolverine's brain can be penetrated through different cavities. crackers

Thor vs Hulk = Ronan vs Gamora? Not really. kinda

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Based on what? Not only could it down down Gamora, even phase her. Besides' he's shrugged off worse. No, what Ronan would do is trap him for 5 seconds, blast him once, let him go, and the go back to fighting like a moron.. I mean "all out."

Yeah but we know about the lead weakness because it was stated on panel, not because some random dude on a forum pulled it out of his ass so he could come up with a reason why Midnighter wouldn't get raged stomped into the ground by Wolverine. A Daxamite didn't arbitrarily put a pencil into his mouth one day and laps into a coma, leaving you to say "Oh well I guess he is allergic to lead then". You wouldn't have nearly enough information to come to that conclusion. We know Kryptonite weakens Kryptonians, and Lead weakens Daxamites, because it has been stated, on panel a million freaking times, its well documented. But in Wolverine's case we have something that has never been stated, hell, not only that never even been hinted at or suggested. No one has ever said, oh boy you know whats interesting, during these x-rays / scans we've been taking periodically for the last 30 something years we found out Wolverine is missing half the bones in his skull! Ulitimate Wolverine has been around for less than 10 years and we know about the one bone in his body that isn't covered in Adamantium... but you think that Wolverine is missing half the bones in his face and that in 36 years of comics it just never came up? Its a ****ing secret? So secret it doesn't even get mentioned in the hand books? Yeah thats likely.

Here's what we know. Wolverine has an Adamantium skull. We've seen all the areas that would need to be missing in order for him to be shot or stabbed in the brain in the methods you have cited. Having seen those areas the examples are not possible. It's as simple as that. We've seen Wolverine's skull, we've seen his skull about 20 or 30 times, we've seen all the parts of his skull that would need to be missing in order for your examples to be logical, and they aren't missing (some of the pieces that would need to be missing even house parts of the brain - which mean Wolverine is missing parts of his brain in your theory as well), we seen them a hell of a lot more than the half a dozen odd times he has had his brain penetrated. So we have a mistake about the size and angle of auditory hiatus. We have a mistake about the size / angle / orientation of the superior orbital fissure. We have a mistake about... what ever Daniel Way was aiming for, which I have no f'n clue. The Mystique example one his theoretically possible, just a one and a million shot. I fail to see how any one of those as anything to do with the other or how they are concrete evidence that Wolverine is missing bones in his skull. If your theory was true Bone claw Wolverine's skull wouldn't even have enough pieces to remain a cohesiveness structure, part of his brain would be missing and his head would be a drooping, warped, shifting mess leaking shit all over the place.

[b]Still waiting on your to answer this question, what does getting shot through the auditory hiatus has to do with getting shot through the nasal cavity one way or another?

It's not a strawman my friend, its exactly the same situation. You just can't see the absurdity of your position for god knows what reason. Prehaps you'd like to explain the differences. [/B]

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Gamora vs. Ronan is about as relevant as Wolverine's fights with Magneto. If the fight wasn't ended instantly, than he wasn't fighting effectively or using his powers to their fullest, and citing it doesn't really move your case forward. Its about as simple as that. In a forum battle Ronan would rage stomp Gamora, its well with in the limits of his powers. He didn't rage stomp her, he barely used his powers, and the brief moments he did uses his abilities he had the advantage... only for him to inexplicably stop using that ability in the next panel and go back to meleeing / blasting. Like I've already said, if the case you want to make is that Gamora can hang with Ronan who is halfass'ing it then go ahead, I agree with you, Gamora is better than Ronan with a restricted power set in melee combat, but just don't think it brings anything important to the table, it certainly doesn't even start to build the case that Gamora could soundly beat Wolverine.

Ok lets try this one more time because you don't seem to be getting it. It doesn't matter if he didn't fight to his full ability because nobody in comics does. Some opponents even if they don't use the fullscope of thier abilities are still very tough. He wasn't actually holding back and was actually breaking out the can of whoopass. He used less powers then he did against Ravenous, and Ravenous is comparable in power to Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Then what are other other feats? They don't exist. I know because I've read every one of Gamora's appearances and re-read them again for the sake of this thread. They simple don't exist and alluding to some mythical non-existence feats, as evidence that Gamora would win and hoping no one does any fact checking is bullshit. But, excuse me for expecting a character to do something that validates the opinions people have of them. I can see how that must be very irritating. The nerve of me! Let me hop on the short bus for a second, and give your train of thought a try! Blade is a vampire, sure he's never done anything strength or speed wise that places him above or even at Captain America's level, but dudes a vampire, vampire > humans he must be better zomg! Gamora is in space, space is the shit, Gamora > Wolverine zomg! Hmmm... nah, its not really working for me. I'll stick with basing my opinions on facts, but you can go ahead and keep talking out of your ass if you think its working for you.

O god sparring with Thanos while not being upgraded. Her various pressure point feats that indicate she can takedown Wolverine and she wasn't upgraded then either. Also a non-upgraded Gamora was doing just fine against Wolverine until she was distracted.

What I cant seem to understand is why srank keeps insisting that the Ronan fight is invalid due to him not using every single plausible ability he has at his disposal when the vast majority of Wolverine's opponents do the same. :-/

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
What I cant seem to understand is why srank keeps insisting that the Ronan fight is invalid due to him not using every single plausible ability he has at his disposal when the vast majority of Wolverine's opponents do the same. :-/

Ronan taking on gamora in a melee fight is 50/50 to me and doesnt make her anymore impressive then us agent.

Imagine Wolverine sparring with Thanos as Gamora did... How would that look? IMO it would look like a one shot victory and wtf pwnage for Thanos. Against Gamora... not so much.

i dont think so. only reason i see gamora doing so well is due to past knowledge and familiarity as well as being trained by him.. but to say logan cant dodge counter and land a hit is absurd and ignoring his skills and powersets and past fights with gods and energy wielding beings..

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because it couldn't take out Gamora, it couldn't knock out Wolverine? Good job assuming Gamora is less durable than Wolverine to make that conclusion. Wolverine would get knocked unconscious if hit by a full power blast of the Universal Weapon.

Yes, we know about the lead weakness because it's stated on-panel. We also know that Wolverine's brain can be penetrated because that's also stated and demonstrated on-panel. arrrgh

Here's what we know: Wolverine's brain has been penetrated multiple times on-panel. We also know you don't like it, so it didn't happen (apparently). doped

[b]Answer to question: It proves that Wolverine's brain can be penetrated through different cavities. crackers

Thor vs Hulk = Ronan vs Gamora? Not really. kinda [/B]

It's not an assumption, its a fact. Besides, Wolverine's taken worse. Like an attack that couldn't even phase Gamora, is going to one shot Wolverine, absurd.

For some reason you seem to be under the impression that every single thing that happens on panel in comics is an accurate representation and valid example to use as evidence (unless of course its Thor saying Wolverine is faster and can shrug off his strongest attacks.... shocker). That's simply not the case. We have rules, rules that you are well aware of on these forums, that are in place to negate the examples of absurdity you love to use as the building blocks for all your arguments.

I've told you why the half a dozen examples of Wolverine's skull being penetrated aren't valid. I've told you why they are PIS. I've told you about a million times. What you've told me, is that its happened. I say "look, this is why its not valid," and you say "yeah... well... it happened." That sort of grade school debating isn't really going to cut it.

Not everything that happens in comics is accurate with in the confines of the characters they pertain to, thats why we have these rules, so that ridiculous out of character feats can be ignored. Now, I under stand that because of the absurdity of the stances you take those are the only feats you have that work in conjunction with your argument, but that doesn't make them valid examples.

Hulk hanging with Thor, is the same as Gamora hanging with Ronan. You are the same as the guy who cites Hulk fighting Thor in threads, and thinks its the foundation for a valid argument supporting the Hulk beating Thor. "Look its happened in the comic! Thor says he's going all out! Hulk wins ZOMG!!!!" Hey look your argument is even the same... thats weird...

[i]Hulk hanging with Thor, is the same as Gamora hanging with Ronan. You are the same as the guy who cites Hulk fighting Thor in threads, and thinks its the foundation for a valid argument supporting the Hulk beating Thor. "Look its happened in the comic! Thor says he's going all out! Hulk wins ZOMG!!!!" Hey look your argument is even the same... thats weird...

these are the same ppl who think a kitchen knife can go through adamantium bone b/c they saw it in a scan once... or a sword going through am adamantium chest cavity in front of the sternum..

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they choice to ignore the forum rules on pis just to make a case and purposely annoy other posters when the rules are made clear.

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok lets try this one more time because you don't seem to be getting it. It doesn't matter if he didn't fight to his full ability because nobody in comics does. [b]Some opponents even if they don't use the fullscope of thier abilities are still very tough. He wasn't actually holding back and was actually breaking out the can of whoopass. He used less powers then he did against Ravenous, and Ravenous is comparable in power to Silver Surfer.
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Which -again- is why we have this rule:

Full Capacity

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed. It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Why is Ronan inexplicably not subject to the rules of the forums?

Anyway - like I've said - whether or not Ronan was going all out its immaterial to this fight, it only really matters in debates evolving Ronan. You think that was Ronan going all out? Fine. Take that stance, it doesn't really mater. Nothing Ronan did during that fight would have taken down Wolverine either. Heck - if Wolverine was fighting in Gamora's place the fight would have played out pretty similarly aside from a few feats of strength (and summoning Godslayer).

Originally posted by Deadline
O god sparring with Thanos while not being upgraded. Her various pressure point feats that indicate she can takedown Wolverine and she wasn't upgraded then either. Also a non-upgraded Gamora was doing just fine against Wolverine until she was distracted.

Yeah, sparing with Thanos.

Pressure points work on characters with near or partial invulnerability by bypassing their natural durability, and essentially have the same effect on them as they do on normal humans. That's what makes pressure points effective in comicdom, and why they are ineffective on Wolverine. A pressure point, has the same effect that it would on a normal human or Wolverine if he didn't have a healing factor, and he subsequently heals from it short order. Pressure points don't work on Wolverine. He's shrugged of dozens of one shot kill pressure points while poisoned before, and his healing factor was no where near as strong then as it is now. Could Ronan beat Wolverine? Absolutely. But he couldn't have beat Wolverine in a step by step reenactment of his fight with Gamora if Wolverine was subbed in. You are the two who think this is an example of Ronan going all out though, not me.

Her upgrade was an unbreakable skeleton and a strength boost. She still isn't faster than Wolverine, nor does she heal fast enough to not go down to his attacks.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
like who? give examples pls.. most can be explain with they or cis of the character..

Originally posted by Mindset
Thor?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not an assumption, its a fact. Besides, Wolverine's taken worse. Like an attack that couldn't even phase Gamora, is going to one shot Wolverine, absurd.

For some reason you seem to be under the impression that every single thing that happens on panel in comics is an accurate representation and valid example to use as evidence (unless of course its Thor saying Wolverine is faster and can shrug off his strongest attacks.... shocker). That's simply not the case. We have rules, rules that you are well aware of on these forums, that are in place to negate the examples of absurdity you love to use as the building blocks for all your arguments.

I've told you why the half a dozen examples of Wolverine's skull being penetrated aren't valid. I've told you why they are PIS. I've told you about a million times. What you've told me, is that its happened. I say "look, this is why its not valid," and you say "yeah... well... it happened." That sort of grade school debating isn't really going to cut it.

Not everything that happens in comics is accurate with in the confines of the characters they pertain to, thats why we have these rules, so that ridiculous out of character feats can be ignored. Now, I under stand that because of the absurdity of the stances you take those are the only feats you have that work in conjunction with your argument, but that doesn't make them valid examples.

Hulk hanging with Thor, is the same as Gamora hanging with Ronan. You are the same as the guy who cites Hulk fighting Thor in threads, and thinks its the foundation for a valid argument supporting the Hulk beating Thor. "Look its happened in the comic! Thor says he's going all out! Hulk wins ZOMG!!!!" Hey look your argument is even the same... thats weird...

For some reason you seem to be under the impression that anything on-panel that suggests Wolvverine isn't Jesus ^2, is untrue and never happened. uhuh

Sorry, but facts are facts. Especially ones that are repeatedly reinforced. On-panel. Again... and again. biscuits

Thor vs Hulk is not the same as Ronan vs Gamora. If Gamora was one-dimensional and Ronan was obsessed with fighting Gamora within the confines of that one dimension, you'd have a point. But she isn't, and he's not. So... you don't have a point.

captain america vs thunderstrike sparring and fought and held off bloodstrike

Wolverine vs thor/firelord took full blast and recovered in the same or nxt panel or showed no damage or slowing down.

spiderman vs firelord... beat him unconscious...even fought silver surfer for a while

Black Panther vs silver surfer...

Gamora vs ronan and sparred with thanos..

again what is so impressive with gamora she hasn't done anything none of these other guys haven't done and just like them she also has low showings where she has bn knocked out by less then ronan even with whatever upgrade you think she has received.

if you want to go by consistency and average showing gamora's durability is far below then what you think and she should have bn ko'ed by a single hit from ronan.

^ Except, Gamora isn't a street-level and is not as outclassed as those street-level characters are in any of those matchups. At all. crackers

thunderstrike knocked her the F#@@ out with a mace strike on monster isle....

she was taken out by a a 30 tonner asgardian again with a mace strike on the rainbow bridge..

she was ko'ed by wolverine with a gut check...

also some of you guys keep bringing up her old bionic upgrades which she no longer has.. her bionics were in her old body not her current one that adam warlock created for her when he brought them back from soul world..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
captain america vs thunderstrike sparring and fought and held off bloodstrike

Wolverine vs thor/firelord took full blast and recovered in the same or nxt panel or showed no damage or slowing down.

spiderman vs firelord... beat him unconscious...even fought silver surfer for a while

Black Panther vs silver surfer...

Gamora vs ronan and sparred with thanos..

again what is so impressive with gamora she hasn't done anything none of these other guys haven't done and just like them she also has low showings where she has bn knocked out by less then ronan even with whatever upgrade you think she has received.

if you want to go by consistency and average showing gamora's durability is far below then what you think and she should have bn ko'ed by a single hit from ronan.

Firelord was weakened. BP is PIS dummie, BP has never done anything like that before.

Thunderstrike is a weak Thor...brilliant. Wolverine shoudlnt really last long against Thor.

I remember reading this discussion like a week ago, is it still at the point where comic showings are ignored due to, well, one of the characters not fighting in a forum capacity/user controlled manner? If so, lulz.

Did somebody say something...