Gamora vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Mindset
They make it so hard to actually like Wolverine.

Why? Because he was made to take on slow moving bricks? Think of it this way - the moongoose can take out the cobra which can take out the lion which can take out the mongoose - different skill sets/powers for different foes, man...

Srank thinks Wolverine gets beat by Spiderman for a high majority because of webbing incapacitation..

Wolverine vs Cap 7/10 in the favor of Wolverine because of bones, HF and equal skill level. If Wolverine had no adamantium, HF, and Cap had no shield, they would be pretty even and the fight goes either way.

Wolverine vs Elektra - Logan holds back against women and would do so against Elektra - That being said if he's mad he kills her dead...if it's a contest of skill they are pretty evenly matched.

So you see where I'm going with this...just because Wolverine can take out slower moving bricks who don't heal doesn't mean we think he's "godverine".

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Why? Because he was made to take on slow moving bricks?

Do you know who Count Neferia is?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Can you please show me ONE single scan and reference when Wolverine is KO'd it's because his healing factor was overloaded. Please just show me this stated through narration. You're saying that EVERYTIME Wolverine has been KO'd it's either because of PIS if it was catastrophic.. or it was because his healing factor was overloaded. So surely there must be a scan backing up this claim of yours. What perplexes me is how you don't understand the concept of a healing factor and what it does. It heals him.. see that wasn't hard was it? Thus it is quite logical that he can be KO'd from various things that would KO others… only difference is.. he can heal from such things and varying degrees depending on the severity of the blow. The key there is HEAL…. and HF doesn't make you immune to damage or increase your durability.. It allows you to heal from injuries much faster than most. This is why he can be flash KO'd and get up very quickly. Durability and a Healing factor aren't the same things. When something hits thanos it's his durability that kicks in to prevent damage.. whatever damage occurs… his healing factor takes care of the rest. When he's injured we don't say his healing factor is overloaded..if anything it was his durability that was slightly overloaded… I didn't think these basic concept went over your head.. but clear they do…. Don't worry I won't charge you this time for basic comic book knowledge.

I repeat this post. Some of you still don't understand the difference between DURABILITY and HEALING FACTOR. They AREN'T the same thing or one in the same. They are TWO DIFFERENT aspects.. one is the ability to take damage (damage soak) the other is your ability to heal from whatever damage is left from your durability tanking some of it. Jesus Christ Almighty, I thought these were known basic concepts. Is his HF overloaded sometimes and this leads to a KO sure... nobody has argued otherwise. Has he been KO'd n flash KO'd and got up quickly because of his HF... YES. However, he wasn't KO'd because his HF was overloaded his DURABLITY was overloaded. Also... since you guys are claiming that EVERY time Wolverine is KO'd it's because his HF is overloaded which is LULZ... I want ONE scan claiming that when Logan is KO'd it's always because his healing factor is overloaded.

Originally posted by Mindset
They make it so hard to actually like Wolverine.

Parker one-shotted Class 100+ Griffin and you didn't complain 😬

With Nefaria, team had the element of surprise. And slower guys tagged him anyway...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Parker one-shotted Class 100+ Griffin and you didn't complain 😬

With Nefaria, team had the element of surprise. And slower guys tagged him anyway...

It's ok, you can still like Wolverine even if I don't, I'll understand.

Originally posted by Mindset
Because I didn't see it since that wasn't in the scans posted. 😬

New Avengers #62. Griffin was amped by Norn Stones.

Originally posted by Mindset
It's ok, you can still like Wolverine even if I don't, I'll understand.

😂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
New Avengers #62. Griffin was amped by Norn Stones.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I can completely explain that

Tell me! He got Cap Universe powers back?! 💃

No

So it was Spider-man without any amp right?

And Griffon was amped by the nornstones right?

so: Spider-man > amped Griffon 🙂

Well, at least they used Ms. Marvel and Wolverine against Nefaria, who had the best chances of surviving against him.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I repeat this post. Some of you still don't understand the difference between DURABILITY and HEALING FACTOR. They AREN'T the same thing or one in the same. They are TWO DIFFERENT aspects.. one is the ability to take damage (damage soak) the other is your ability to heal from whatever damage is left from your durability tanking some of it. Jesus Christ Almighty, I thought these were known basic concepts. Is his HF overloaded sometimes and this leads to a KO sure... nobody has argued otherwise. Has he been KO'd n flash KO'd and got up quickly because of his HF... YES. However, he wasn't KO'd because his HF was overloaded his DURABLITY was overloaded. Also... since you guys are claiming that EVERY time Wolverine is KO'd it's because his HF is overloaded which is LULZ... I want ONE scan claiming that when Logan is KO'd it's always because his healing factor is overloaded.

No one responded to the you the first time because it was too stupid to warrent a comment. It was pretty much the exact time type of uninformed post one would expect from a person with alternating capital letters and Thanos in their screen name.

Wolverine's durability is relatively base line human, not nearly high enough to factor into this discussion, his durability is "over loaded" virtually every time he takes a hit. These aren't attacks he can survive without a healing factor. He's close enough to baseline human durability that he would be killed instantly by a single blow from the class 100 bricks he throws down with every month. It's like dropping a grenade on a soup cracker. If it wasn't for his healing factor there would be nothing left of Wolverine.

To be fair humans are quite resilant to damage.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
No

So it was Spider-man without any amp right?

And Griffon was amped by the nornstones right?

so: Spider-man > amped Griffon 🙂

Now to be fair, it was a cheap shot and Griffin was owning him in the previous issue.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No one responded to the you the first time because it was too stupid to warrent a comment. It was pretty much the exact time type of uninformed post one would expect from a person with alternating capital letters and Thanos in their screen name.

Wolverine's durability is relatively base line human, not nearly high enough to factor into this discussion, his durability is "over loaded" virtually every time he takes a hit. These aren't attacks he can survive without a healing factor. He's close enough to baseline human durability that he would be killed instantly by a single blow from the class 100 bricks he throws down with every month. It's like dropping a grenade on a soup cracker. If it wasn't for his healing factor there would be nothing left of Wolverine.

You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

1. Give me one scan saying that when Wolverine is KO'd it's because his healing factor has been overloaded. We all know that conjecture on your part is crap and this is a false assumption on your part. We've seen Wolverine bonk on the head from one shot and KO'd. His HF wasn't overloaded. However, please prove your case... I've ask for the 3 time now, and you've ignored this request 3 times now

2. You do realize Wolverine has Adamantium coating all his bones right? This basic concept hasn't alluded you I hope. So... thus you think that still makes his durability = to a human? Lulz!!! Do you try and look like a tool or does it just come naturally. Being that I've already proved another theory of yours wrong... please show me any scan or narration claiming wolverine durability is that of a human.. Even though we know Mutants in general as show in comics time and time again... have greater natural durability than humans. However, please post a scan saying this.

Originally posted by Bentley
To be fair humans are quite resilant to damage.

Not really. If I hit you up the side of the head once as hard as I could with a hammer, you'd die. Someone who could lift billions of tons wouldn't even need to hit you, the force of him waving his arms around in your general area would be like a bomb going off at your feet. The force alone would rupture every organ in your body and turn your insides into goo. Actually physical contact would be worse. Wolverine regularly takes blows from a guy who managed to hold tectonic plates together... if you think his durability factored into that at all, then you must think Wolverine's insanely superhuman durability.

It's been said in naration that every time Wolverine takes a blow from the Hulk his insides liquify. He just heals before he takes the next blow. Thats healing factor, that is nothing to do with durability.

Wolverine's durability is low enough that it is inconsequential. Its like wondering how much Daredevils strength factored into him dropping Hyde with a pressure point. The answer is not at all.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

1. Give me one scan saying that when Wolverine is KO'd it's because his healing factor has been overloaded. We all know that conjecture on your part is crap and this is a false assumption on your part. We've seen Wolverine bonk on the head from one shot and KO'd. His HF wasn't overloaded. However, please prove your case... I've ask for the 3 time now, and you've ignored this request 3 times now

It's plastered all over comics in which Wolverine discusses how his healing factor is "taxed". If it couldn't be overloaded it wouldn't get taxed.

This has nothing to do with false assumptions, this has to do with your overall lack of knowledge concerning things that are common knowledge to even moderate comic readers. We can find a multitude of scans where Wolverine talks about his HF being taxed, it's just a waste of time on out parts for something you should already be aware of. 😬

Using 1 example of PIS against classic Wolverine does not help your argument. It DOES however hurt your credability.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
2. You do realize Wolverine has Adamantium coating all his bones right? This basic concept hasn't alluded you I hope. So... thus you think that still makes his durability = to a human? Lulz!!! Do you try and look like a tool or does it just come naturally. Being that I've already proved another theory of yours wrong... please show me any scan or narration claiming wolverine durability is that of a human.. Even though we know Mutants in general as show in comics time and time again... have greater natural durability than humans. However, please post a scan saying this.

WOLVERINE'S DURABILITY is really not much more impressive than a peak human, obviously his bones are another matter entirely but they're not something that's taken into account of his own durability. His bones are foreign objects and seperate to his own phsiology.

Of course if you WANT to argue about durability against Wolverine's ADAMANIUM BETA bones, then by all means be my guest, I don't see you winning ANY arguments for Gamora there though. 😕

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

1. Give me one scan saying that when Wolverine is KO'd it's because his healing factor has been overloaded. We all know that conjecture on your part is crap and this is a false assumption on your part. We've seen Wolverine bonk on the head from one shot and KO'd. His HF wasn't overloaded. However, please prove your case... I've ask for the 3 time now, and you've ignored this request 3 times now

2. You do realize Wolverine has Adamantium coating all his bones right? This basic concept hasn't alluded you I hope. So... thus you think that still makes his durability = to a human? Lulz!!! Do you try and look like a tool or does it just come naturally. Being that I've already proved another theory of yours wrong... please show me any scan or narration claiming wolverine durability is that of a human.. Even though we know Mutants in general as show in comics time and time again... have greater natural durability than humans. However, please post a scan saying this.

Again Srank

Originally posted by jinzin
It's plastered all over comics in which Wolverine discusses how his healing factor is "taxed". If it couldn't be overloaded it wouldn't get taxed.

This has nothing to do with false assumptions, this has to do with your overall lack of knowledge concerning things that are common knowledge to even moderate comic readers. We can find a multitude of scans where Wolverine talks about his HF being taxed, it's just a waste of time on out parts for something you should already be aware of. 😬

Using 1 example of PIS against classic Wolverine does not help your argument. It DOES however hurt your credability.

You're straight up delusional if you think you've been proving anyone wrong about anything in this thread, and your petty aimless rants about durability really did barely warrant a response.

WOLVERINE'S DURABILITY is really not much more impressive than a peak human, obviously his bones are another matter entirely but they're not something that's taken into account of his own durability. His bones are foreign objects and seperate to his own phsiology.

Of course if you WANT to argue about durability against Wolverine's ADAMANIUM BETA bones, then by all means be my guest, I don't see you winning ANY arguments for Gamora there though. 😕

Are you slow as well Jinzin? I don't need narration saying his healing factor is taxed. You see there smart guy.. I already conceded this can happen and has happened. So.. thus I don't need that kinda of narration do I... no... YOU GUYS are making the claim that EVERYTIME he's KO'd it's because of his healing factor being taxed. What I then want is ANY narration saying that when he's KO'd it's always because his healing factor was taxed. It doesn't exist.. you know why.. because we've seen him KO'd and his healing factor wasn't taxed. So post the damn scan or stop with this bs conjecture of yours.

Second... you really aren't the brightest light in Vegas are you? You're still saying... Wolverine durabilty is that of a human.. lulz. Do you read comics? You think Mutants have the same durability as humans lol. Show me a scan saying such about Wolverine as we've clearly seen his and other mutants durability are clearing about normal humans. However, what is even funnier is you think Wolverine durability is the same as a human evev with ADAMANTIUM COADING lol. Are you really that slow that you don't understand that this increases his durability exponentially. If you don't undertand that then you really need help. You guys honestly have no idea of the difference between durability and healing factor.. you think it's the same attribute when it's not.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you slow as well Jinzin? I don't need narration saying his healing factor is taxed. You see there smart guy.. I already conceded this can happen and has happened. So.. thus I don't need that kinda of narration do I... no... YOU GUYS are making the claim that EVERYTIME he's KO'd it's because of his healing factor being taxed. What I then want is ANY narration saying that when he's KO'd it's always because his healing factor was taxed. It doesn't exist.. you know why.. because we've seen him KO'd and his healing factor wasn't taxed. So post the damn scan or stop with this bs conjecture of yours.

Second... you really aren't the brightest light in Vegas are you? You're still saying... Wolverine durabilty is that of a human.. lulz. Do you read comics? You think Mutants have the same durability as humans lol. Show me a scan saying such about Wolverine as we've clearly seen his and other mutants durability are clearing about normal humans. However, what is even funnier is you think Wolverine durability is the same as a human evev with ADAMANTIUM COADING lol. Are you really that slow that you don't understand that this increases his durability exponentially. If you don't undertand that then you really need help. You guys honestly have no idea of the difference between durability and healing factor.. you think it's the same attribute when it's not.

They are making the claim that he gets KOed from one hundred class brocks due to his healing factor being surpassed which is only possibly when his healing factor has already been slowed down because it is exhausted from doing things like regenerating form a skeleton in thirty seconds. There are numerous scans to this and so what Jinzin and Srank have done is DERIVED the notion that when Wolverine gets knocked out, it's because his HF isn't working at full capacity. It's a perfectly logical and reasonable assumption based on all of the comics and scans that have ackoledged that Logan's HF is always changing it's power.

Although, I simply would have gone with the explanation that Guggenheim gave in that the state of his soul controlles his healing...although that pretty much was ignored by EVERYONE because Wolverine still heals just as fast even though he was supposed to have traded healing for the restoration of his soul, 😕

So I guess his HF is a combination of things - his soul does factor into it though and that has been clearly established in the story by Guggenheim.

The bottom line is, Wolverine's HF CAN be taxed, and so it's perfectly reasonable to assume that when he does get knocked out, it's because he has already had to heal from serious damage.

And no, mutants don't automatically have more durability than average humans.

Also, if you're getting all worked up calling people stupid and slow just because they are deriving a concept from established canon, then maybe you're the one who needs help? Just saying, anyone who acts like someone robbed a bank just because they disagree with you on the abilities of a comic book character should see a shrink...lolz

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

1. Give me one scan saying that when Wolverine is KO'd it's because his healing factor has been overloaded. We all know that conjecture on your part is crap and this is a false assumption on your part. We've seen Wolverine bonk on the head from one shot and KO'd. His HF wasn't overloaded. However, please prove your case... I've ask for the 3 time now, and you've ignored this request 3 times now

2. You do realize Wolverine has Adamantium coating all his bones right? This basic concept hasn't alluded you I hope. So... thus you think that still makes his durability = to a human? Lulz!!! Do you try and look like a tool or does it just come naturally. Being that I've already proved another theory of yours wrong... please show me any scan or narration claiming wolverine durability is that of a human.. Even though we know Mutants in general as show in comics time and time again... have greater natural durability than humans. However, please post a scan saying this.

Hehe, why are you even here champ? Did you need to take a break from eating crayons and colouring outsides the lines? I'm not even sure it is worth humoring this stupidity... but what the hell.

Wolverine's durability is close enough to base line human that it is completely inconsequential. We are essential talking about the difference between the difference in durability between a man in a cotton t-shirt and a man in a jean jacket, against a the damage of nuclear bomb. It doesn't matter, the difference is so incredibly minute when compared to the damage that there is essentially no difference at all. The difference between Wolverine's durability and a regular human is trivial... hell, relative to the damage Wolverine takes the difference between Spider-man's durability and a normal human is trivial, and Spider-man is much more durable than Wolverine.

Wolverine's muscles can't turn bullets, or swords, he will still burn and blister at the same heat as a regular person, concussive force will still bruise, rupture, hemorrhage and liquefy organs and muscle tissue and the same level as it would regular human... he just heals from it nearly instantly. An Adamantium skull is a great benefit to be sure, but once again relative to the damage we are talking about, it is essentially inconsequential.

We aren't talking about Batman beating Wolverine up the side of the head with a baseball bat here. If that was the damage in consideration, then sure Wolverine's skull would provided adequate protection even without his healing factor. We are talking about force that can and has knocked him kilometers away from the person attacking him, sometimes even across state lines or even to different continents. Since the brain remains stationary during the initial impact, if Wolverine can't remain relatively stationary himself then his brain is just knocking around inside an unbreakable Adamantium with the force equal to the attack. This opens the door to bruising, concussing and cerebral hemorrhaging and the same levels as a regular brain. Wolverine's healing factor is what repairs this damage and keeps him in the fight, not his durability which isn't even worth factoring into the equation.

Anything that would happen to you or I, if we were punched by the Hulk happens to Wolverine, he just heals from it before the next blow lands. Each time he takes a hit he heals a bit slower until he can't repair the damage fast enough to keep fighting. Thats how he is koed. Wolverine's healing factor needs to be taxed and over worked in order for this to happen, if it didn't then him talking a single hit from the Hulk would mean he could take an infinite number of blows, which is something he can't do. Compared to the strength of the Hulk, Wolverine's body is a saltine cracker, ever single hit would completely and utterly destroy it without the aid of his healing factor. His durability is nothing by comparison, the fact that you think it is, is just goes to show how far out of your depth you are in this discussion.