Gamora vs. Wolverine

are you going to contribute at all or just make snide remarks?

anyways.. logan on average isnt just going to be ko'ed by a single puch to the head.. by a peak human or even a mid tier..

has it happen ever in his career? no.. not once has he bn simply ko'ed by a hit..

the closest it comes is usually being knocked down and hurt.. rubbing his jaw or skull....

high average showing has him tanking such blows his highest has him taking earth shaking hits and he just keeps coming..

his low ends are very rare.. if there is doubt visit the wolverine vs knockout and count how many freak ko'es he has had and why... compared to his entire history it is minuscule..

i cant believ ppl argue spidey can never be hit in forums when he gets hit every time in comics and it outweighs the times he hasnt bn hit but ppl use his best while with logan who has a few ko'es which often are taken out of context suddenly we use his lowest worse showings as opposed to his average or even best showings

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
are you going to contribute at all or just make snide remarks?

anyways.. logan on average isnt just going to be ko'ed by a single puch to the head.. by a peak human or even a mid tier..

has it happen ever in his career? no.. not once has he bn simply ko'ed by a hit..

the closest it comes is usually being knocked down and hurt.. rubbing his jaw or skull....

high average showing has him tanking such blows his highest has him taking earth shaking hits and he just keeps coming..

his low ends are very rare.. if there is doubt visit the wolverine vs knockout and count how many freak ko'es he has had and why... compared to his entire history it is minuscule..

i cant believ ppl argue spidey can never be hit in forums when he gets hit every time in comics and it outweighs the times he hasnt bn hit but ppl use his best while with logan who has a few ko'es which often are taken out of context suddently we use his lowest worse showings as opposed to his average or even best showings

How does that prove your point? You realise that you've proven nothing again? At most all the proves is that his HF helps him not to be Koed that doesn't mean that it needs to be overloaded. He also has an indestructible skeleton so im sure that helps.

Some of those "low" showings are in less number because the people who do it are skilled.

I'll stop making snide remarks when you stop doing confirmation bias.

Originally posted by Deadline
Apart from the fact its YOUR opinion explain why its correct. I hate to break it you but your not a genuis and your not special just because you have an opnion doesn't make it inherently correct. You do actually have to try and be objective like the rest of the human race.

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Once again: It's not an opinion. It's a restatement of what has been stated on panel. We know how Wolverine's healing factor works, and we know he in order to knock him out you need to exceed the amount of damage that his healing factor is able to compensate. Me telling you what has been stated isn't an opinion, you saying "well gosh maybe his healing factor didn't factor in during that instance" is, and it is an opinion that runs in direct opposition to canon, without a shred of evidence to back it up.

But please tell me more about how the sky is green.

Originally posted by Deadline
How does that prove your point. You realise that you've proven nothing again?

I'll stop making snide remarks when you stop doing confirmation bias.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Once again: It's not an opinion. It's a restatement of what has been stated on panel. We know how Wolverine's healing factor works, and we know he in order to knock him out you need to exceed the amount of damage that his healing factor is able to compensate. Me telling you what has been stated isn't an opinion, you saying "well gosh maybe his healing factor didn't factor in during that instance" is, and it is an opinion that runs in direct opposition to canon, without a shred of evidence to back it up.

But please tell me more about how the sky is green.

*facepalm* Great so basically instead of giving a rational explantion your just saying your correct because your srank.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sorry it wasnt directed at you but, at bentley.. you guys were already exchanging and debating b4 i manage to get my post underneath his post.. 😮

Oh, don't get me wrong, Wolverine tanks Hulk fair and square, its just that the idea of him being koed only when his HF is taxed is nonesensical.

I think he stomps Wonderman in a forum fight, and I like Wonderman as much as you can like a crappy character like him.

Originally posted by Deadline
*facepalm* Great so basically instead of giving a rational explantion your just saying your correct because your srank.

^ Agreed.

Originally posted by Deadline
^ Agreed.

Originally posted by Deadline
*facepalm* Great so basically instead of giving a rational explantion your just saying your correct because your srank.

I'm correct because my opinion is supported by evidence as opposed to baseless unsubstantiated theory crafting.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
thx for finally agreeing with me... about time.. now that we have done this we can move on to another thread.. maybe wolverine vs robin and you can tell us how robin will ko logan.. 😉

Not U bentley. I agree that Wolverine can take class 100 shots.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm correct because my opinion is supported by evidence as opposed to baseless unsubstantiated theory crafting.

No it isn't your assuming because there are some examples that back you up this applies to all situations.

Okay, since my last attempt to bring these two sides together failed, let's try again.

Originally posted by Deadline
How does that prove your point? You realise that you've proven nothing again? At most all the proves is that his HF helps him not to be Koed that doesn't mean that it needs to be overloaded. He also has an indestructible skeleton so im sure that helps.

Some of those "low" showings are in less number because the people who do it are skilled.

I'll stop making snide remarks when you stop doing confirmation bias.

Deadline, is it your position that Wolverine's healing factor, which is capable of regenerating his brain, his nervous system, and protecting him from his own memories, which has healed liquified organs in split seconds, and regrown whole new ones in hours at the most, does not need to be slowed down at all in order for him to be knocked unconscious?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Once again: It's not an opinion. It's a restatement of what has been stated on panel. We know how Wolverine's healing factor works, and we know he in order to knock him out you need to exceed the amount of damage that his healing factor is able to compensate. Me telling you what has been stated isn't an opinion, you saying "well gosh maybe his healing factor didn't factor in during that instance" is, and it is an opinion that runs in direct opposition to canon, without a shred of evidence to back it up.

But please tell me more about how the sky is green.

S-Rank, is it your position that the only way that Wolverine can be knocked out is if his healing factor has taken so much damage that it shuts down and stops working altogether?

The only way for Wolverine to be knocked out is if his healing factor slowed to the point that it can't compensate for injuries that would knock him out. If his healing factor was able to compensate for it he wouldn't be knocked out. Damage can't circumvent his healing factor, and anyone who is suggesting it can should be ashamed by their stupidity. There isn't a magic attack that can bypass Wolverine's healing factor, if he gets knocked out its because he wasn't able to heal fast enough to compensate for the damage and what ever the attack was overloaded his healing factor.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only way for Wolverine to be knocked out is if his healing factor slowed to the point that it can't compensate for injuries that would knock him out.

Is it your position that this point and the point where his healing factor stops functioning altogether are one and the same?

Originally posted by Deadline
Not U bentley. I agree that Wolverine can take class 100 shots.

No it isn't your assuming because there are some examples that back you up this applies to all situations.

Guys why does this matter? The whole point is that Logan can tank Gamora's shots...but can she tank his claw strikes? Even if she is more skilled, she really needs to hit him with the godslayer. But if she misses, I say he KOes or just kills her. Until I see some insane durablity, skill or reflex feat. I mean, just because you are more skilled doesn't mean you possess reflexes necessary to doge a full-on Wolverine claw strike. Especially if he's bezerk and manages to disarm her of the godslayer.

Say she is more skilled...and certainly having mastered 84 percent of all armed and unarmed combat in the universe SHOULD make her so (but not necessarily which is WHY we go by feats.) I mean, we can't use off-panel citations written about the character because what characters do has always been subject to CHANGE based on subsequent storylines and accomplishments. I mean, HULK at one time was the strongest being in the Marvel U. No longer the case. It was just a saying. Captain America was once the worlds best at H2H. No longer the case - things change and all of her martial arts training may or may not be able to account for his experience and tactical skills (countering extremely skilled opponents). IN this case it may not matter skilled she is - he may be a better fighter overall. I mean, Mike Tyson was not as skilled as Bruce Lee - but he could arguably beat the snot out of Lee. Tactical skill as well as how well you know your stuff is more important than how many arts you actually know. This is real life as well as comics. Now especially considering he has indestructable weapons that are capable of killing her instantly where as she can only KO him with a series of head/nerve strikes or a one-shot from the godslayer, I would say he wins at least half of their battles. He can definately hang with her and he's capable of defeating her. Not like he's facing Magneto or anything.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Still have a few minutes - waiting for my ride

Well ****, now I completely understand. After years of debating / arguing with you, I see what your mindset is. I thought you where ignoring high end feats in favour of low feats (which pissed me off), but I was wrong, you don't come down on one side or the other (thats not strictly true - you certainly seem to think the low ends feats are more important but whatever close enough). That's weird. I don't really get how you can look at two pieces of contradictory evidence and not come down on one side or the other but say they are both valid and exist congruently. Thats what the entire KMC rule structure is about, eliminating feats that are contradictory from the majority in order to standardize a character and eliminate confusion. Siting on the fence and looking at both sides doesn't make sense, you need to come down on one side or other, and it should be pretty clear from your vantage point on that fence which side of the fence is greener so to speak.

And it's apparent to me that Wolverine's healing factor doesn't have to be utterly short-circuited or absolutely exhausted for him to be knocked out/incapacitated. Simply because there are plenty of times where he's knocked out and his healing factor is at that same time, still working to repair the damage. Which incontrovertibly proves his healing factor isn't completely short-circuited or absolutely exhausted at that point.

Are there times when its utterly exhausted or completely overwhelmed? Yes. Magneto stripping his adamantium in Fatal Attractions, X-Men and Avengers hunting him in Enemy of the State, Nitro blowing him up in Civil War, etc. Other times (when he's simply knocked out)? Not so much.

Wolverine in this regard is analogous to Hulk. Hulk's healing factor is even greater than Wolverine's. Yet, there are days when he takes a nuke like it's nothing and there are days when half a tank of rocket fuel blowing up puts him to sleep. One day, Thor's pounding him with fists/Mjolnir for hours and Hulk isn't missing a beat and another day Hulk gets knocked out by a cement truck.

Do I think Hulk should get knocked out by half a tank of rocket fuel? No, he's tanked much worse. But it happens. Fortunately for Hulk fans, Hulk's "glass jaw" doesn't utterly sabotage him when it's actually his powerset to become dynamically more powerful near instantly. Wolverine doesn't even have that. Which conveniently brings me up to my last point that I'll leave you with...

... because taken altogether, these are exactly the reasons why I don't believe that Hulk takes 10/10 against Wolverine. Others can feel differently (I know you do). But if they do feel the same way in the end, then there isn't much disjunction between my rationalizations and their closely held beliefs. Or, more appropriately, there shouldn't be.

When I say overloaded or taxed, I don't mean burnt out. There is a difference. You need to overload Wolverine's healing factor to ko him, you don't need to burn it out entirely. His healing factor needs to be pushed to the point where it is unable to work fast enough to compensate for the damage he will be taking. If it can't handle the work load, than it is overloaded, but that doesn't mean it is burnt out.

Its like streaming a moving online. Wolverine's healing factor is high speed internet, its going to buffer the video much faster than you can watch it. But if you start downloading half a dozen different videos, torrents and playing WoW at the same time, your bandwidth is going to kicked straight in the nuts. That video you were streaming is going to start to dl at a snails pace and you won't be able to watch uninterrupted as it streams. It will still be downloading though, just not fast enough to be practical.

Nice comparison.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Hehe... ha... haha.. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

New Avengers Finale: Wolverine > Count Nefaria

Wolverine >>>>> Thor 😈

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They make it so hard to actually like Wolverine.