Captain Marvel, Superman, Thor, Hercules, Silver Surfer VS Thanos

Originally posted by carver9
So its basically up to debate which one is PIS or not. On a regular note, the JLA tends to get defeated a lot by people far less weaker than Thanos so we cant call it PIS because it happens all the time.

Then we have to look at who each of them regularly fight/stalemate and Thanos fight trans/skyfathers regularly and abuses high heralds and throw them to the side like they are nothing whereas the high heralds on here stalemate or lose to other high/mid or low heralds.

If we use consistent showing, neither of the high heralds couldnt withstand much from Thanos (except, maybe Surfer).

Consinstent showings have Supes continually defeating other top tiers, the same goes for Thor, SS and Captain Marvel. This doesn't hurt them in this fight, it helps them.

On another level we've seen guys like Supes defeat other teams of top tiers, and defeat legitimate skyfathers. The same for Thor. Thanos hasn't beat any skyfathers btw, hurts him in this debate. As guys like Supes and Thor have actually beat or hurt characters that we more powerful than Thanos. Or characters with more devastating attacks than Thanos.

As I said one on one Thanos would beat Supes or Thor but it would be a good fight while it lasted. As a team the only thing Thanos can do to keep them off tactically are his shields, which are nothing but a defensive counter measure.

Originally posted by Allankles
Consinstent showings have Supes continually defeating other top tiers, the same goes for Thor, SS and Captain Marvel. This doesn't hurt them in this fight, it helps them.

On another level we've seen guys like Supes defeat other teams of top tiers, and defeat legitimate skyfathers. The same for Thor. Thanos hasn't beat any skyfathers btw, hurts him in this debate. As guys like Supes and Thor have actually beat or hurt characters that we more powerful than Thanos. Or characters with more devastating attacks than Thanos.

As I said one on one Thanos would beat Supes or Thor but it would be a good fight while it lasted. As a team the only thing Thanos can do to keep them off tactically are his shields, which are nothing but a defensive counter measure.

Consistent showings have Thor fighting and almost stalemating Hulk. Stalemating/having a hard time against Surfer. Fighting/having a hard time against firelord (actually LOST to fire lord) and hyperion (lost to hype also). Thats consistent showings.

Consistent showings for Superman is him on the losing end against Captain Marvel. Him stalemating a Black Adam that isnt even trying to fight him. Him bringing a team to face Superboy Prime. Him fighting Doomsday/stalemating him or losing. Him fighting Wonder Woman stalemating her.losing. Thats the consistant showings of Supes.

What skyfather level characters did any of the heralds beat under their own power?

Originally posted by Allankles
Wut? I don't even know where you're coming from, as in why are you bringing DS into this?

And quite frankly that's not ridiculous enough to laugh about, DS can do stuff like amp his punches and increase his size, which would give him the edge over Thanos.

Ooooo that’s right you didn't say h2h you said you can't think of hardly anyways that Thanos is DS superior in… To which I named… Intelligence, h2h ability (MA or brawling), Matter and Energy Manipulation, Durability, TK just to name some. To which you said nothing… Now on to h2h ability.. What on God's green earth would ever make you think DS is superior to Thanos in a h2h encounter? Lets look at the relevant issues here…. Durability… Thanos takes this easily.. h2h ability both MA or brawling.. Thanos easily. Speed… I would give the edge to DS but really he has very few combat speed feats. Amping punching.. Thanos has a better documented history and effectiveness with said punches.. Thanos has the edge there. Those are pretty much most of the relevant issues in a h2h encounter and by my count Thanos dominates. I mean come on.. Growing in size… Honestly…

Originally posted by carver9
Consistent showings have Thor fighting and almost stalemating Hulk. Stalemating/having a hard time against Surfer. Fighting/having a hard time against firelord (actually LOST to fire lord) and hyperion (lost to hype also). Thats consistent showings.

Consistent showings for Superman is him on the losing end against Captain Marvel. Him stalemating a Black Adam that isnt even trying to fight him. Him bringing a team to face Superboy Prime. Him fighting Doomsday/stalemating him or losing. Him fighting Wonder Woman stalemating her.losing. Thats the consistant showings of Supes.

What skyfather level characters did any of the heralds beat under their own power?

Hold on a second. All of those were one off fights, the simple fact that they're one off fights means they're not an indication of their overall body of work. Cpt. Marvel has no victories over Supes, unless you count the instance where he sucker punched Supes. Black Adam and Supes haven't had a real fight, that shouldn't even be considered in any debate over feats.

By consistent I mean read a Supes title (either Superman or Action comics) and see who he faces and who he defeats. Braniac, other kryptonians, other Aliens, powerful immortal magicians etc.

His total body of victories against other top tiers far outstrips anything you've posted there. I also urge you to take a Thor comic and count the number of top tiers he beats.

Supes beat Dominus under his own power (who's also above skyfather), he has beat Darkseid at least once legitimately (Apokolips Now and/or Batman/Superman), he's beat the Seven Elder Gods after tanking a magical blast from them that took out his JLA team mates, he's tanked an energy blast said to be capable of destroying a solar system from Mageddon. He's beat the likes of Satanus and Blaze who are low skyfathers.

Thor has faced off against low Skyfathers, has shown the power to damage a celestial albeit not dramatically, has withstood the power of mid level skyfathers on par with his own father, has defeated a low skyfather in the form of Mangog.

Originally posted by Allankles

Thor has faced off against low Skyfathers, , has withstood the power of mid level skyfathers on par with his own father,.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ooooo that’s right you didn't say h2h you said you can't think of hardly anyways that Thanos is DS superior in… To which I named… Intelligence, h2h ability (MA or brawling), Matter and Energy Manipulation, Durability, TK just to name some. To which you said nothing… Now on to h2h ability.. What on God's green earth would ever make you think DS is superior to Thanos in a h2h encounter? Lets look at the relevant issues here…. Durability… Thanos takes this easily.. h2h ability both MA or brawling.. Thanos easily. Speed… I would give the edge to DS but really he has very few combat speed feats. Amping punching.. Thanos has a better documented history and effectiveness with said punches.. Thanos has the edge there. Those are pretty much most of the relevant issues in a h2h encounter and by my count Thanos dominates. I mean come on.. Growing in size… Honestly…

🙁 Wow at least read some New Gods before you speak. Thanos doesn't have any kind of edge over DS in the ways of matter manip, energy manip or even intelligence.

DS is a real god, capable of giving life, creating life out of nothing, depowering and empowering any being, matter manipulating objects to something a simple as stone to flesh and blood avatars to technological structures.

You do know h2h means they can use all amping abilities? They're just prevented from using anything but strikes.

Unless stipulations are placed DS would be able to increase his mass and size to the level of a 3 to 4 story building, what is Thanos going to do to him then in a h2h fight?

Originally posted by Allankles
Hold on a second. All of those were one off fights, the simple fact that they're one off fights means they're not an indication of their overall body of work. Cpt. Marvel has no victories over Supes, unless you count the instance where he sucker punched Supes. Black Adam and Supes haven't had a real fight, that shouldn't even be considered in any debate over feats.

By consistent I mean read a Supes title (either Superman or Action comics) and see who he faces and who he defeats. Braniac, other kryptonians, other Aliens, powerful immortal magicians etc.

His total body of victories against other top tiers far outstrips anything you've posted there. I also urge you to take a Thor comic and count the number of top tiers he beats.

Supes beat Dominus under his own power (who's also above skyfather), he has beat Darkseid at least once legitimately (Apokolips Now and/or Batman/Superman), he's beat the Seven Elder Gods after tanking a magical blast from them that took out his JLA team mates, he's tanked an energy blast said to be capable of destroying a solar system from Mageddon. He's beat the likes of Satanus and Blaze who are low skyfathers.

Thor has faced off against low Skyfathers, has shown the power to damage a celestial albeit not dramatically, has withstood the power of mid level skyfathers on par with his own father, has defeated a low skyfather in the form of Mangog.

OMG, I'm not even going to respond to this.

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Originally posted by carver9
OMG, I'm not even going to respond to this.

Right, because 5 feats vs 100 feats is the proof of consistency. Dude, you rarely try to be logical when it comes to these debates. I told you pick up an Action Comics or a Superman and count the no. of top tiers he beats.

Second using WW, Marvel or DD as a mark against Supes shows you don't even know what you're talking about. Marvel doesn't have single victory against Supes. DD's one victory over Supes also led to his death, H/P DD was an amped DD fighting a weakened Supes. Supes record against DD is like 2-1.

Supes beats or down right dominates WW nearly every time they've had a confrontation, by my count Supes has like a 3-1 lead over her. And the one victory she had was over a maddened Supes who KO'd her briefly before she momentarily halted the fight with her Tiara.

Originally posted by Allankles
🙁 Wow at least read some New Gods before you speak. Thanos doesn't have any kind of edge over DS in the ways of matter manip, energy manip or even intelligence.

DS is a real god, capable of giving life, creating life out of nothing, depowering and empowering any being, matter manipulating objects to something a simple as stone to flesh and blood avatars to technological structures.

You do know h2h means they can use all amping abilities? They're just prevented from using anything but strikes.

Unless stipulations are placed DS would be able to increase his mass and size to the level of a 3 to 4 story building, what is Thanos going to do to him then in a h2h fight?

This is a joke right? What are DS intelligence feats you speak of? You seem in Marvel Thanos is known throughout the Universe as being even smarter than Doom. Reed etc etc. What are the feats or statements that even put DS in any great company? What are you using to say that DS is a better matter manipulator? When DS has created life he needed technology to do.. just as Thanos has… So what then are using that DS is superior in this area? Depowering and Empowering ANY being.. Again this is a joke right? Yet when faced with how many situations where this like hyperbolic trick would come in handy he fails to use it. Name me the beings he's depowered that are greater or on Thanos level? I've asked you for this before… I want scans of DS growing in size increasing his strength and durability. I want scans that state this. Without that.. all you have is DS creating a bigger hole in the ground once Thanos slaps the shit out of him.

Originally posted by Allankles
Right, because 5 feats vs 100 feats is the proof of consistency. Dude, you rarely try to be logical when it comes to these debates. I told you pick up an Action Comics or a Superman and count the no. of top tiers he beats.

Second using WW, Marvel or DD as a mark against Supes shows you don't even know what you're talking about. Marvel doesn't have single victory against Supes. DD's one victory over Supes also led to his death, H/P DD was an amped DD fighting a weakened Supes. Supes record against DD is like 2-1.

Supes beats or down right dominates WW nearly every time they've had a confrontation, by my count Supes has like a 3-1 lead over her. And the one victory she had was over a maddened Supes who KO'd a her briefly before she momentarily halted the fight with her Tiara.

In a characters own mini they do things far above the average, it just happens. If I were to do things the way you are doing them then Silver Surfer, Thor, and Superman would all be skyfathers. Spiderman and Wolverine would be low heralds, etc....

Besides in Batman/Superman (which had batman stalemating an amped Superman and defeating darkseid) when has Supes ever ran through Diana?

Superman admitted that Cap has the edge in melee and he admits this every time.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is a joke right? What are DS intelligence feats you speak of? You seem in Marvel Thanos is known throughout the Universe as being even smarter than Doom. Reed etc etc. What are the feats or statements that even put DS in any great company? What are you using to say that DS is a better matter manipulator? When DS has created life he needed technology to do.. just as Thanos has… So what then are using that DS is superior in this area? Depowering and Empowering ANY being.. Again this is a joke right? Yet when faced with how many situations where this like hyperbolic trick would come in handy he fails to use it. Name me the beings he's depowered that are greater or on Thanos level? I've asked you for this before… I want scans of DS growing in size increasing his strength and durability. I want scans that state this. Without that.. all you have is DS creating a bigger hole in the ground once Thanos slaps the shit out of him.

You were talking out of your ass and I called you out on it. Your question are also entirely irrelevant to the points of contention which are that Thanos has some kind of edge in matter manip, energy manip or intelligence.

Matter manip - he can animate any inanimate object, easily turn beings to stone, create massive starships, create flesh and blood avatars, recreate any being he erased from existence to perfect physical replication, resurrect parademons at will after they've been destroyed and there's more that I'm probably forgetting.

Energy Manip - manipulate the fire storm matrix and strip it from its host, depower high level mutants like secret, depower skyfathers like time trapper and Mordu, empower mantis to above the level of high level GL, create a surfer-level being from the soul of a normal human. Use other beings as conduit to his power.

As for intelligence we've seen him orchestrate the events like Countdown and more impressively the lengths he went to ensnare Shilo Norman in Seven Soldiers or his foward - to back - time loop scenario from FC with Orion. Or how he tainted the Source and died only to find out later that he was gradually being reformed inside his own killer to be resurrected later to enact his plan.

Darkseid is like the devil, he's devious and always celebral. He's just written more intelligent with more intelligent plans than your boy Thanos. I think Thanos is above above Reed and Doom in technical knowledge but not necessarily in terms of application.

In DC the only guy I would definitively put above DS in terms of technical know how is the god of science Metron and the inventor New God, Himon.

Originally posted by Allankles
You were talking out of your ass and I called you out on it. Your question are also entirely irrelevant to the points of contention which are that Thanos has some kind of edge in matter manip, energy manip or intelligence.

Matter manip - he can animate any inanimate object, easily turn beings to stone, create massive starships, create flesh and blood avatars, recreate any being he erased from existence to perfect physical replication, resurrect parademons at will after they've been destroyed and there's more that I'm probably forgetting.

Energy Manip - manipulate the fire storm matrix and strip it from its host, depower high level mutants like secret, depower skyfathers like time trapper and Mordu, empower mantis to above the level of high level GL, create a surfer-level being from the soul of a normal human. Use other beings as conduit to his power.

So you have zero answers to my questions.. which is exactly as I suspected. I want to see any kinda of reference to DS being known throughout the universe as highly intelligent and or great than other known super intelligent people. So you have nothing? I ask for a simple scan or reference that indicates DS growing in size increases his strength and durability and by how much.. So you have nothing in that regard. You skipped right over the part where DS had to use technology in order to create these beings you speak of right? Right. So thus how is this greater than what Thanos has done? Oooo that’s right its not. Name me one being that DS has created that is on the level of Omega? The point is there are clearly 4 areas Thanos is DS superior, plus other areas. Intelligence, Durability, TK and h2h combat. So that right there totally and completely makes you statement of you can't think of any areas Thanos is DS superior in laughable, just as I said it was.

Originally posted by Allankles
Consinstent showings have Supes continually defeating other top tiers, the same goes for Thor, SS and Captain Marvel. This doesn't hurt them in this fight, it helps them.

On another level we've seen guys like Supes defeat other teams of top tiers, and defeat legitimate skyfathers. The same for Thor. Thanos hasn't beat any skyfathers btw, hurts him in this debate. As guys like Supes and Thor have actually beat or hurt characters that we more powerful than Thanos. Or characters with more devastating attacks than Thanos.

As I said one on one Thanos would beat Supes or Thor but it would be a good fight while it lasted. As a team the only thing Thanos can do to keep them off tactically are his shields, which are nothing but a defensive counter measure.

Name the top tiers he consistently beats. I don't recall him beating Adam, consistently beat Marvel, even WW took it easy on him and could have killed him, Orion? I mean who does he consistently beat?

What skyfathers does thor consistently beat? What skyfathers has Thor beaten under his own power? I mean wow the amount of bs in this post alone is so ridiculous I can't even believe you'd type it.

Which skyfather has Superman beaten under his own power?

Originally posted by Allankles
🙁 Wow at least read some New Gods before you speak. Thanos doesn't have any kind of edge over DS in the ways of matter manip, energy manip or even intelligence.

DS is a real god, capable of giving life, creating life out of nothing, depowering and empowering any being, matter manipulating objects to something a simple as stone to flesh and blood avatars to technological structures.

You do know h2h means they can use all amping abilities? They're just prevented from using anything but strikes.

Unless stipulations are placed DS would be able to increase his mass and size to the level of a 3 to 4 story building, what is Thanos going to do to him then in a h2h fight?

Why didn't Seid go gigantic against Superman when it mattered or against DD in hp?

In terms of intelligence does stalking Superman in a barn seem very high on the scale or failing to deal with a brick who cannot fly with the entire resources of your whole planet?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you have zero answers to my questions.. which is exactly as I suspected. I want to see any kinda of reference to DS being known throughout the universe as highly intelligent and or great than other known super intelligent people. So you have nothing? I ask for a simple scan or reference that indicates DS growing in size increases his strength and durability and by how much.. So you have nothing in that regard. You skipped right over the part where DS had to use technology in order to create these beings you speak of right? Right. So thus how is this greater than what Thanos has done? Oooo that’s right its not. Name me one being that DS has created that is on the level of Omega? The point is there are clearly 4 areas Thanos is DS superior, plus other areas. Intelligence, Durability, TK and h2h combat. So that right there totally and completely makes you statement of you can't think of any areas Thanos is DS superior in laughable, just as I said it was.

DS didn't need tech to do any of the things I've mentioned, remember he also created Validus, a team bashing juggernaut, with just a simple application of the Omega Force. He needed tech to create Brimstone, I didn't mention him. If you're not going to actually debate, what's the damn point of carrying this on?

Also why does DS intelligence have to be compared with x,y,z, for us to have a real debate about intelligence? We've seen his wits at least compared to Metron a few times and he's been shown to be quite clearly in his league. He was able to hypothersize the Anti-Life Equation and prove his thesis, that sh*ts all over anything Thanos has come up with on his own imo.

Omega? DS created the entropy Aegis from a simple piece of Imperiex tech. TK? You do know DS has moved planets across galaxies with his mind?

As far as durability and all of that, what does have to do with anything? Why the hell are we talking about DS v Thanos, and from a guy who's never actually read anything on DS? And I told you, if DS is allowed to increase his mass and size to the levels we've seen him do, then he definitely beat Thanos h2h.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wow. This might be one of the most hypocritical posts of all time here.

I've already adressed all of those questions in this very thread. And haven't we already been through this with you?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wow. This might be one of the most hypocritical posts of all time here.

Name the top tiers he consistently beats. I don't recall him beating Adam, consistently beat Marvel, even WW took it easy on him and could have killed him, Orion? I mean who does he consistently beat?

What skyfathers does thor consistently beat? What skyfathers has Thor beaten under his own power? I mean wow the amount of bs in this post alone is so ridiculous I can't even believe you'd type it.

Which skyfather has Superman beaten under his own power?

Again we argue what's in character not applying feats which are so out of character for someone to Seid just to try and make it fair for him. Even at his increased size I don't see any difference against Thanos as he has the power to rock Galactus who far dwarfs Seid in power.

Why didn't Seid go gigantic against Superman when it mattered or against DD in hp?

In terms of intelligence does stalking Superman in a barn seem very high on the scale or failing to deal with a brick who cannot fly with the entire resources of your whole planet?

I said the same thing, pure Bull Sh**.

Originally posted by Allankles
I've already adressed all of those questions in this very thread. And haven't we already been through this with you?

Thanos laughs off Thor and Surfer. Superman can't even laugh off WW's blows.

Originally posted by carver9
I said the same thing, pure Bull Sh**.

No you were full of BS. You sighted and I repeat, WW, Cpt. Marvel, Black Adam and DD as evidence that Supes has struggled or been beat by other top tiers consistently, BS!

WW continually gets dominated in her battles with Supes, she has a significant losing record with one win out of 4, 5 encounters. Consistently Supes tops her, next.

Marvel doesn't have a single victory over Supes in comics, and the one time he came close was Kingdom Come where he also lost. Next!

Black Adam and Supes didn't have any real fight, so how is that relevant to anyone? Next!

DD and Supes have duked it out, and under their regular levels (or relatively regular levels) Supes has beat him in both their one on one encounters. Next!!

Get real. Let's look at recent Supes titles. Defeats Kandorians, defeats a kryptonian demon empowered by other kryptonian demon lords, defeats Arion (a powerful Atlantian soceror), defeats Atlas, defeats Subject 17, defeats a kryptonian dreadnought empowered with kryptonite, defeats Braniac, defeats Ultraman and Super Woman etc etc.

As I said, pick up an Action Comics or Superman and he's defeating some top tier in some way or other.