Captain Marvel, Superman, Thor, Hercules, Silver Surfer VS Thanos

Originally posted by Allankles
No you were full of BS. You sighted and I repeat, WW, Cpt. Marvel, Black Adam and DD as evidence that Supes has struggled or been beat by other top tiers consistently, BS!

WW continually gets dominated in her battles with Supes, she has a significant losing record with one win out of 4, 5 encounters. Consistently Supes tops her, next.

Marvel doesn't have a single victory over Supes in comics, and the one time he came close was Kingdom Come where he also lost. Next!

Black Adam and Supes didn't have any real fight, so how is that relevant to anyone? Next!

DD and Supes have duked it out, and under their regular levels (or relatively regular levels) Supes has beat him in both their one on one encounters. Next!!

Get real. Let's look at recent Supes titles. Defeats Kandorians, defeats a kryptonian demon empowered by other kryptonian demon lords, defeats Arion (a powerful Atlantian soceror), defeats Atlas, defeats Subject 17, defeats a kryptonian dreadnought empowered with kryptonite, defeats Braniac, defeats Ultraman and Super Woman etc etc.

As I said, pick up an Action Comics or Superman and he's defeating some top tier in some way or other.

Black Adam actually taught Superman a lesson so saying superman could easily defeat him is pure speculation.

Supes died the first time, needed aid to beat him in hp and was clearly outlclassed, had aid and a plot device to defeat him in dd wars so I think it's fair to say he struggles with DD.

He defeated Arion because he was weakened and because Ps gave him an enchantment to aid him against a weakened Arion.

Atlas crushed him and he needed an enchantment to defeat him which means not under his own power. Wow, you clearly left out the aid and help he got which isn't possible under his own power to actually make a case for Superman.

What has Subject 17 done to prove he's someone bragworthy of beating?

You really didn't give any examples of what you stated and the heroes he beat he should beat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you may think you do but

I stopped reading there. Just because we are often on opposite ends of a debate doesn't mean you can't make an unbiased assessment of the points tabled. I talked about consistent showings, that word "consistent" is concerned with total average.

More than that, using characters he consistently beats or consistently out performs is not going to help further yours or anyones argument here.

Originally posted by Allankles
I stopped reading there. Just because we are often on opposite ends of a debate doesn't mean you can't make an unbiased assessment of the points tabled. I talked about consistent showings, that word "consistent" is concerned with total average.

More than that, using characters he consistently beats or consistently out performs is not going to help further yours or anyones argument here.

Again, you leave out the reasoning as to how he beats them or why he does so. It isn't under his own power so even you cannot give valid examples of putting him anywhere near Thanos at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really didn't give any examples of what you stated and the heroes he beat he should beat.

And you were so impartial with your arguments. 🙄 Atlas only beat Supes in their first fight because Supes was being constantly weakened throughout their fight by an outside source, Atlas was getting help. Once Supes got aid to remove this impediment he defeats Atlas without any weaknesses pulling him down.

Arion I'll give you that, but it's not really something to tear down since the writer was playing up Supes vulnerability to magic, he was just one of the top tiers Supes has beat in relatively recent titles.

Originally posted by Allankles
No you were full of BS. You sighted and I repeat, WW, Cpt. Marvel, Black Adam and DD as evidence that Supes has struggled or been beat by other top tiers consistently, BS!

WW continually gets dominated in her battles with Supes, she has a significant losing record with one win out of 4, 5 encounters. Consistently Supes tops her, next.

Marvel doesn't have a single victory over Supes in comics, and the one time he came close was Kingdom Come where he also lost. Next!

Black Adam and Supes didn't have any real fight, so how is that relevant to anyone? Next!

DD and Supes have duked it out, and under their regular levels (or relatively regular levels) Supes has beat him in both their one on one encounters. Next!!

Get real. Let's look at recent Supes titles. Defeats Kandorians, defeats a kryptonian demon empowered by other kryptonian demon lords, defeats Arion (a powerful Atlantian soceror), defeats Atlas, defeats Subject 17, defeats a kryptonian dreadnought empowered with kryptonite, defeats Braniac, defeats Ultraman and Super Woman etc etc.

As I said, pick up an Action Comics or Superman and he's defeating some top tier in some way or other.

Again, not giving the details on how someone beat someone over them (plot device) isnt helping your case.

You havent told me anything to even make me suggest that any of these heralds are even a threat to Thanos, let alone a nuicance.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You stated Marvel has not one victory over Superman which means you're either ignorant or lying.

I already mentioned that in an earlier post, as I said I've already addressed everything. That was a sucker punch, it wasn't even a DD DS sucker punch because at least DS was being attacked by an enemy on an actual battle field.

Supes was being sucker punched by a guy that's supposed to be an ally in a situation where he has zero battle readiness.

If you want to scrap every minute little feat from the bottom of the proverbial empty barrel of feats (in this case), be my guest, but you shouldn't be suprised if someone doesn't think it counts.

Originally posted by carver9
Again, not giving the details on how someone beat someone over them (plot device) isnt helping your case.

You havent told me anything to even make me suggest that any of these heralds are even a threat to Thanos, let alone a nuicance.

You haven't shown any willingness to use unbiased reasoning , so how would things change? Your the same guy who doesn't find Supes tanking of the Mageddon War head impressive. You make convenient arguments not real ones. Your sighting of WW, Marvel's (sucker punch?) are just clear examples of this.

The team takes this 10/10, Thanos won't even be given a moment to make his offense effective. He opens his shield to shoot a multidirectional blast and he's getting hit from at least 3 directions immediately and at once, he goes down eventually. The math just doesn't work for him here.

Originally posted by Allankles
And you were so impartial with your arguments. 🙄 Atlas only beat Supes in their first fight because Supes was being constantly weakened throughout their fight by an outside source, Atlas was getting help. Once Supes got aid to remove this impediment he defeats Atlas without any weaknesses pulling him down.

Arion I'll give you that, but it's not really something to tear down since the writer was playing up Supes vulnerability to magic, he was just one of the top tiers Supes has beat in relatively recent titles.

You ignore context and make things up so I am going to call you on it.

Originally posted by Allankles
I already mentioned that in an earlier post, as I said I've already addressed everything. That was a sucker punch, it wasn't even a DD DS sucker punch because at least DS was being attacked by an enemy on an actual battle field.

Supes was being sucker punched by a guy that's supposed to be an ally in a situation where he has zero battle readiness.

If you want to scrap every minute little feat from the bottom of the proverbial empty barrel of feats (in this case), be my guest, but you shouldn't be suprised if someone doesn't think it counts.

Originally posted by Allankles
DS didn't need tech to do any of the things I've mentioned, remember he also created Validus, a team bashing juggernaut, with just a simple application of the Omega Force. He needed tech to create Brimstone, I didn't mention him. If you're not going to actually debate, what's the damn point of carrying this on?

Also why does DS intelligence have to be compared with x,y,z, for us to have a real debate about intelligence? We've seen his wits at least compared to Metron a few times and he's been shown to be quite clearly in his league. He was able to hypothersize the Anti-Life Equation and prove his thesis, that sh*ts all over anything Thanos has come up with on his own imo.

Omega? DS created the entropy Aegis from a simple piece of Imperiex tech. TK? You do know DS has moved planets across galaxies with his mind?

As far as durability and all of that, what does have to do with anything? Why the hell are we talking about DS v Thanos, and from a guy who's never actually read anything on DS? And I told you, if DS is allowed to increase his mass and size to the levels we've seen him do, then he definitely beat Thanos h2h.

and I told you... I want scans stating that DS increasing in size increases his strength and durability. You have nothing.

You referenced DS beating MOrdru... That was GDS DS but good try there.

I would also like to see the scans your talking about the reference DS being as intelligent as Metron. However, that still fails in comparions to the many reference to Thanos and his intellligence.

I said DS need Tech to create some of his beings and that was spot on. The point is... I just listed a few areas that THanos has DS beat in while you said he had none. My case has already been proven.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What was the outside source then? Superman needed an enchantment to defeat him so it doesn't count under his own power because he needed aid. Wow.

He was getting weakened from a third party who was using some kind of magic, Atlas attacking Supes was a plan by the General and the rest of the anti-Supes brigade. This magic didn't affect Krypto probably because of psychology or maybe simple physiology.`

I thought you read the issue? Are you going to pretend Atlas beat Supes fairly in their first confrontation?

Supes got aid to counter this weakening process and prevailed, when the playing field was evened out he won (that's the only thing that's relevant here to be honest).

Originally posted by quanchi112
You said Marvel has never defeated Superman so you lied I take it. Lots of characters get suckered but many don't fall as easily as Superman did here. The point is you lied. Marvel is right with Superman while you assume he's above him which is ignorance with nothing to really back it up.

Marvel is Supes level, I have no problem with that. The point is I already addressed the sucker punch incident, and it shouldn't be counted as a victory for Marvel, since they weren't actually in any kind of confrontational position, let alone in a fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, so beating a weakened Arion with aid is actually kind of embarrassing and not something I would bring up.

Arion was mentioned as just one of the top tiers he's defeated in relatively recent issues. The magic issue was made a factor and he received a defense against it, that doesn't stop it from being a positive feat btw, it was actually a pretty good event with a good conclusion.

And please stop throwing the word "weakened" in some kind of attempt mask the fact that Arion was actually a top tier magician, or to try and make it seem that he wasn't potent in his fight with Supes.

It's just your typical low balling tactic. He was good magician shown to be quite powerful, whatever his previous level of power we don't actually see it, so that's pretty irrelevant to mention.

Besides all that he's just one of many, if we were arguing about Supes and magic weaknesses maybe I'd want to spend more time on this, but I'm done discussing Arion or DS in this thread, I've already done enough of that as is.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
and I told you... I want scans stating that DS increasing in size increases his strength and durability. You have nothing.

You referenced DS beating MOrdru... That was GDS DS but good try there.

I would also like to see the scans your talking about the reference DS being as intelligent as Metron. However, that still fails in comparions to the many reference to Thanos and his intellligence.

I said DS need Tech to create some of his beings and that was spot on. The point is... I just listed a few areas that THanos has DS beat in while you said he had none. My case has already been proven.

How does increase in size and mass not increase his strength and durability? Are you this thick all the time? While increasing his size he was able to go toe to toe with a being who had the power of all the New Gods inside of him. How is that, genius? I mean you don't even try to be logical, damn!

GDS DS is DS, in case you didn't know the crisis never affected DS and GDS is still canon to the current legion continuity otherwise guys like Validus wouldn't exist, since he was created by DS in GDS.

And everyone I mentioned DS created with his own power, do you read? I only mentioned Brimstone as a case of a guy DS created via tech. You also didn't prove a damn thing, your initial stance centered on the issues of energy and matter manip, once you realized DS's Omega Force makes him more versatile you shifted the focuse to irrelevant points.

And I told you intelligence isn't determined solely by statements of comparison, DS is written more intelligently. Hard to claim your smarter when you're written with less intelligent scripts.

How can you tell me Thanos is smarter than a guy who can manipulate multiversal events without throwing a single punch (Countdown)? Also it helps that DS isn't the same company, you can't use the same basis of comparison.

As I've said I've read both, both have tremendous tech. But DS has proven his thesis on the Anti-Life Equation, a vast mathematical equation that disproves free will itself, that sh*ts all over Thanos imo.

And I'm done with your baiting, this thread had absolutely nothing to do with DS, you either have a malfunction or you're just looking for a reason to argue, which brings us back to whether you have some malfunction somewhere.

Captain Marvel=KC Superman>Superman

Captain Marvel in KC is KC Captain Marvel. If Supes has his Kingdom Come version, so does Marvel.

I think he's trying to allude to the fact that KC Superman was explicitly stated to be stronger than his normal self, simply due to the fact that Superman gets stronger as time passes because of yellow solar energy absorption. KC Captain Marvel, on the other hand, had no real reasons or such allusions made to him being more powerful than his typical self.

I kind of suspected that but that would assume Supes and Cpt. Marvel haven't at least had fights in continuity stories.

Originally posted by Allankles
He was getting weakened from a third party who was using some kind of magic, Atlas attacking Supes was a plan by the General and the rest of the anti-Supes brigade. This magic didn't affect Krypto probably because of psychology or maybe simple physiology.`

I thought you read the issue? Are you going to pretend Atlas beat Supes fairly in their first confrontation?

Supes got aid to counter this weakening process and prevailed, when the playing field was evened out he won (that's the only thing that's relevant here to be honest).

Marvel is Supes level, I have no problem with that. The point is I already addressed the sucker punch incident, and it shouldn't be counted as a victory for Marvel, since they weren't actually in any kind of confrontational position, let alone in a fight.

Arion was mentioned as just one of the top tiers he's defeated in relatively recent issues. The magic issue was made a factor and he received a defense against it, that doesn't stop it from being a positive feat btw, it was actually a pretty good event with a good conclusion.

And please stop throwing the word "weakened" in some kind of attempt mask the fact that Arion was actually a top tier magician, or to try and make it seem that he wasn't potent in his fight with Supes.

It's just your typical low balling tactic. He was good magician shown to be quite powerful, whatever his previous level of power we don't actually see it, so that's pretty irrelevant to mention.

Besides all that he's just [b]one of many, if we were arguing about Supes and magic weaknesses maybe I'd want to spend more time on this, but I'm done discussing Arion or DS in this thread, I've already done enough of that as is. [/B]

👆 Very nice owning them. Btw Team.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think he's trying to allude to the fact that KC Superman was explicitly stated to be stronger than his normal self, simply due to the fact that Superman gets stronger as time passes because of yellow solar energy absorption. KC Captain Marvel, on the other hand, had no real reasons or such allusions made to him being more powerful than his typical self.

Which is true. The only difference that we could argue which is true is the experience of the two Caps. So with Colossus saying that, I dont see anything wrong with that statement, especially with Current Superman having Such a hard time against Captain Marvel and being unable to even knock him off of his feat.

I'm still going to say that they are equals but he could be right about Captain Marvel and Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Which is true. The only difference that we could argue which is true is the experience of the two Caps. So with Colossus saying that, I dont see anything wrong with that statement, especially with Current Superman having Such a hard time against Captain Marvel and being unable to even knock him off of his feat.

I'm still going to say that they are equals but he could be right about Captain Marvel and Superman.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
yea and along with the fact that when they were merged, superman went "OMG cap you are so powerful"

I put that up one day and some people discredited it but I consider that evidence also.

I say split:
On one side, Thanos actually outpower them in every way. Name it: Brain, power, strenght, endurance, etc.

On the other side, even if they are all Thanos inferiors, the members of the team are no sloush and could pull some win by using strategy of some sort.

So it really depends how the fight goes, if Thanos under-estimate the team, if the team rush on Thanos like ****tards, etc.