What the guy above me said.
Originally posted by KingD19
Seriously???? By now none of you people realize that Kain always wins in BT's mind. You could put Kain up against Pyron, All The Gods/Titans/Demi-Gods/Fates from the GOW series, Alex Mercer, Cole McGrath, All the Hedgehogs in their super forms, Transformers, etc... And Kain would still win.
The Living Tribunal, One-Above-All, The Presence, etc.
Originally posted by Burning thought
huge assumption here. you dont know how fast he casts anything.
But I know how fast the effects manifest.
Its different because a thought is a thought, its damn fast unlike a spell that can be very slow.
Ganon has instant cast spells before. Just as quick.
3:02 instant fire, just add more fire.
No and he cant now.....
Pretty sure the Elder God could only be seen in the spectral realm. I would think it needs to proven that it works on all forms of invisibilty. Ganon's Darkness Technique is basically just using the darkness to hide.
Thats as simple as Kain just gesturing and crushing Ganondorfs throat till he dies. not simple at all.
And Ganondorf can set Kain on fire from anywhere with a thought.
Yes he can, Kain can see invisible and intangible things and Ganondorf has not proven that he can follow/track entities who are actually teleporting or moving actively, infact his "tracking" may not even be that at all, how he knows where Zelda is is massively amigious and open for interpretation. Because thats what probability is about, if Kain teleports into infinity then the probability is infinite. And Kain can teleport faster than Ganondorf and react faster, chances are he wont get the first teleport off.
Kain hasn't proved he can see invisible things. The Elder God was in the Spectral Realm, so Kain couldn't see him.
Ganondorf has found people across entire countries and casts spells on them. He'll just find Kain and set him on fire.
Ganondorf can also teleport into infinity and he knows exactly where Kain is. Further, Ganondorf teleports just as fast as Kain. He disappears just as quickly.
He can teleport "others" already inside of magic crystals. Also I doubt this "teleportation" of others, otherwise he could teleport Link or any one of his allies (or all of them one at a time) on top of Link.
Then watch the video again. He quite clearly teleported Zelda.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Pretty sure the Elder God could only be seen in the spectral realm. I would think it needs to proven that it works on all forms of invisibilty. Ganon's Darkness Technique is basically just using the darkness to hide.Kain hasn't proved he can see invisible things. The Elder God was in the Spectral Realm, so Kain couldn't see him.
Incorrect. Moebius entered the spectral realm, but couldn't see the Elder God. He needed to be purified. Kain, once purified, could see the Elder God while he was in the PHYSICAL realm.
It's not true invisibility anyway. EG seems to occupy a different plane altogether, considering he is seen in both the spectral and physical realms. He could very well be omnipresent.
Note that he says "I am revealed to you" when speaking to Kain. I doubt that is invisibility, or rather the 'normal' type that Ganondorf uses.
Kain hasn't proven he can see invisible things either, just that he can see the EG once he's purified by the Reaver.
It's pretty much BT just putting a no-limits fallacy on another of Kain's showings, like he always does.
Originally posted by KingD19
Seriously???? By now none of you people realize that Kain always wins in BT's mind.
Nozdormu, King of all Cosmos, Starkiller, Darkkhan Kain lost iirc so no your wrong. In my mind Kain always wins against weak foes.
If Kain actually loses in a fight its because he would do and I coneded to it. This match? its just a cakewalk or at least the first round was, I just wanted to see if Demitris feats were really anything more than fandom, they were not.
Hes not lost to any of them, especially when I am the only opposition. I dont remember conceding to other threads other than that iirc. I am sure theres plenty of threads you would like to "claim" a win over for your own characters your a fan of but I am afraid to say that this does not give them a win.
I need to concede for the match to be over with. Otherwise theres still opposition and no side wins, thats how an argument works.No, it isn't. An argument serves to lay out the facts, maintaining a stance has no bearing whatsoever on the facts. You could claim all day that down is that way ^, but in the end, you'd be wrong, and the side arguing against you, is right, and wins.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, it isn't. An argument serves to lay out the facts, maintaining a stance has no bearing whatsoever on the facts. You could claim all day that down is that way ^, but in the end, you'd be wrong, and the side arguing against you, is right, and wins.
An argument is two sides with a disagreement debating on how to resolve this disagreement. If I am not convinced then nobody has won until I am.
The side does not win just because its your opinion that your right. Your side can claim all day that the moon is made out of solid steel, the fact theres more of them does not make it true.
Ofc if were talking about facts, in this topic in particulour I know the facts about the majority of the characters, perhaps all except 1 which I know your assumed and overhyped feats for (or lack of feats that you claim are still feats, ala midna) therefore I know most if not all the facts first hand. You dont and neither does the opposition, same goes for most arguments involving Kain though.
The only one assuming things is you. Making up feats and applying no limit fallacies to Kain's abilities, while doing your best to downplay the opposition. You've essentially attempted to argue that down is that way^. You won't concede, but you don't have to concede to be wrong.
You can claim the debate isn't over so long as you support Kain, but all facts have been presented, and there's no other logical conclusion than that this is a spite thread, and Kain loses badly. You're the only one claiming Kain wins, but to be honest, I doubt even you believe he does.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The only one assuming things is you. Making up feats and applying no limit fallacies to Kain's abilities, while doing your best to downplay the opposition. You've essentially attempted to argue that down is that way^. You won't concede, but you don't have to concede to be wrong.You can claim the debate isn't over so long as you support Kain, but all facts have been presented, and there's no other logical conclusion than that this is a spite thread, and Kain loses badly. You're the only one claiming Kain wins, but to be honest, I doubt even you believe he does.
Thats a lie, I have all the facts about Kain, Dante, Bayeontta and Kratos first hand and I may as well add Demitri to that list as I have read the japanese translated info and have seen the games clips itself. And your claims of fallacies are pointless, they dont exist and your vast number of fallacies overshadow this. I will concede if I am convinced Kain loses, considering I know he doesnt because I know most of these characters he wont.
Your first sentence is where you should have stopped, the rest is just your opinion. Considering your the opposition, I would be surprised if that would not be your response, mine is similiar but the opposite ofc.
Originally posted by The Scenario
But I know how fast the effects manifest.Ganon has instant cast spells before. Just as quick.
3:02 instant fire, just add more fire.
Pretty sure the Elder God could only be seen in the spectral realm. I would think it needs to proven that it works on all forms of invisibilty. Ganon's Darkness Technique is basically just using the darkness to hide.
And Ganondorf can set Kain on fire from anywhere with a thought.
Kain hasn't proved he can see invisible things. The Elder God was in the Spectral Realm, so Kain couldn't see him.
Ganondorf has found people across entire countries and casts spells on them. He'll just find Kain and set him on fire.
Ganondorf can also teleport into infinity and he knows exactly where Kain is. Further, Ganondorf teleports just as fast as Kain. He disappears just as quickly.Then watch the video again. He quite clearly teleported Zelda.
Just not the important cast times and actions before the actual effect. I know how fast Kain can TK and manipulate his opponents once they TK, its stll important to know how he does it, e.g. with a gesture.
One instant cast spell does not mean all his spells are instant cast though, it just mean that one is. Therefore he can "instantly" create a huge ring of fire, it looks to big to actually hit a target though.
Nope, Kains not in the spectoral realm and as phoenix said, the EG is present in several realms/dimensions at once. Well kain has a light spell 😉
Not shown tbh, its shown Ganondorf can make a ring of fire. Also this wouldnt stop kain....
Yes he has, if he has the purified sight to see EG he can easily see Ganondorf. Hes "found" people? we dont know how he does it, could take him a long time, could require a lot of things. The move is ambigious and quite useless as is setting Kain on fire. No he doesnt, Ganon has to move forwards physically as he does it, thats not fast. Ganons not shown the RT to activate his power before Kain either and he "may" know where Kain is, the move is ambigious and a bit of a useless feat.
I see, his teleporting of others revolves around an extremely slow ascent, Kains not going to allow Ganon to do that to him.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtNeither of the characters you listed have lost to Kain, only in your head they lost.
Nozdormu, King of all Cosmos, Starkiller, Darkkhan Kain lost iirc so no your wrong. In my mind Kain always wins against weak foes.If Kain actually loses in a fight its because he would do and I coneded to it. This match? its just a cakewalk or at least the first round was, I just wanted to see if Demitris feats were really anything more than fandom, they were not.
Originally posted by iChaos
King of Cosmos? WTF.