Originally posted by Burning thought
Because an appeal to popularity is actually a logical fallacy and does not make up an argument?
Not if people who were originally on Kain's side switch, or those who were on the fence were convinced of one side. We've repeatedly presented our cases.
Now who here has been convinced by this that Kain has lost? It's not an appeal to popularity if multiple people have wieghed the characters and come to their own conclusions.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Not if people who were originally on Kain's side switch, or those who were on the fence were convinced of one side. We've repeatedly presented our cases.Now who here has been convinced by this that Kain has lost? It's not an appeal to popularity if multiple people have wieghed the characters and come to their own conclusions.
I am the only one debating for Kain so thats unlikely. yes the same cases...over and over etc etc without dynamic.
That final bit cannot be gauged. I myself have weighed the characters and found round 1 wanting quite badly, others may come to other conclusions or lie altogether based on fandom.
And if you argued that a majority belive Kain loses therefore he does then thats still an appeal to popularity.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I am the only one debating for Kain so thats unlikely. yes the same cases...over and over etc etc without dynamic.
Why do you think that is?
That final bit cannot be gauged. I myself have weighed the characters and found round 1 wanting quite badly, others may come to other conclusions or lie altogether based on fandom.
And if you argued that a majority belive Kain loses therefore he does then thats still an appeal to popularity.
No. Even though it is true that everyone but you believes that Kain has lost, I am not claiming that this is the reason I personally believe he loses. I believe that Kain loses simply becauae he is not powerful enough to prevail. This was, in fact, the point of the thread.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Why do you think that is?And others have also wieghed them and found Kain wanting. You haven't convinced anyone that Kain wins, for example. That's probably because he doesn't, and anyone to view all arguments would see this.
No. Even though it is true that everyone but you believes that Kain has lost, I am not claiming that this is the reason I personally believe he loses. I believe that Kain loses simply becauae he is not powerful enough to prevail. This was, in fact, the point of the thread.
Why what is? me only debating for Kain or undynamic arguments?
Have they? how do you know? they could claim to do so only to choose the character they prefer, theres no way you would know. Thats because nobody is argueing actual feats, their assuming and then just choosing their favourite character.
So your just making your own claim opposite to mine? well i already knew that, I already knew you were opposition.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Why what is? me only debating for Kain or undynamic arguments?
Both, I suppose. Why are you the only Kain supporter in this thread? Why do you think we post the same arguments repeatedly?
Have they? how do you know? they could claim to do so only to choose the character they prefer, theres no way you would know. Thats because nobody is argueing actual feats, their assuming and then just choosing their favourite character.
So your just making your own claim opposite to mine? well i already knew that, I already knew you were opposition.
Just a bit of counterargument. The Fallacists's Fallacy, for example. Just because you believe there's an appeal to popularity saying Kain loses, that doesn't mean Kain wins. And just because I believe fallacist's fallacy is in use, that doesn't mean Kain loses.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Both, I suppose. Why are you the only Kain supporter in this thread? Why do you think we post the same arguments repeatedly?That's not what I've seen in this thread. I've seen quite a bit of evidence posted for both sides, and several good reasons Kain loses.
Just a bit of counterargument. The Fallacists's Fallacy, for example. Just because you believe there's an appeal to popularity saying Kain loses, that doesn't mean Kain wins. And just because I believe fallacist's fallacy is in use, that doesn't mean Kain loses.
because I am the only one who actively argues in threads AND has played the series. Probably because you dont have other arguments and without the arguments you repeat the only thing left is to concede which ofc in KMC is impossible for such a prideful bunch.
What were those good reasons again?
I never said it means Kain wins, it just means that those using a fallacy are making a failure of logic. If someones logic is failing then their argument weakens.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtI lol'd EXTREMELY hard.
I lold, childish nonsense. (whatz the count noa!?)Oh and only Kratos can dish out the damage to even harm Kain in this first round, Kratos and probably Bayonetta in the whole gauntlet. The rest may give him a nasty bruise using their full strength and a piercing weapon.