Kain vs little Gauntlet

Originally posted by BloodRain
2. We all know the general point so.... blah.
4. He's taking physical powers now?

I took in the chain for the distance. Not a reaction feat however.

Dimensional teleport =/= reaction times either, people need to sort out what can be taken gameplay wise.

4. He always has, physical and mental. Not sure about magical tbh.

Its not much of a feat at all, his opponents did nothing and could do nothing even in the 20+ seconds he had struggling free from his chains.

A players gameplays skills in their general use are canon. For example, Kratos' souls of hades summon souls to attack the target, in GoW 3 he can choose what soul he summons. Although we dont see him use it in a cutscene, we know this is the scripted ability for Kratos and that its noit affected by mechanics.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually they always are. Ganon's decision to block isn't canon? haermm

False. Link's strieks are quick enough that whole new ones are coming before any human could even register the first is over, Ganon reacts to them. Kain's too slow to have a chance landing one of his wholly inneffective hits.

no their not, the only mechanic a player is under is under is the rules of the game such as health and statistics. But the general use of abilities and the powers behind them are rarely balanced, if they are its generally balanced by cooldowns and other non canon things such as charging. For example Kratos' rage powers, its just him raging yet he has to hit enemies to charge it.

No ofc its not, because the players decision to strike is not canon either.

Nah, I am looking at the same thing as you, Links predictable and him being quick has little to do with it because Ganons sword is large enough just to place in front of himself. Not based on real canon feats and cutscenes.

No ofc its not, because the players decision to strike is not canon either.

Nah, I am looking at the same thing as you, Links predictable and him being quick has little to do with it because Ganons sword is large enough just to place in front of himself. Not based on real canon feats and cutscenes.

Also, Ganon's sword is big, but not nearly that big, and Link's not just gonna blindly swign at a sword h'e presented with.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's canon that Link wins, it's canon that in order to win, he strikes, and therefore canon that Ganon decides to block.
Link is predictable? Backslashes, helm splitters, mortal draws, ect, all coming at you in less than 0.03 is not predictable, sir. 😐

Also, Ganon's sword is big, but not nearly that big, and Link's not just gonna blindly swign at a sword h'e presented with.

No, its canon that he strikes, not that Ganon blocks. Infact in a real fight a large number of non scripted things could happen, in a real fight assuming Ganon is not stupid he would use more powers than those scripted into the fight, magic for example.

Nah their not that fast, we can see them easy enough. Just like Ganons attacks. From those vids alone that GK showed, Links attacks usually come in the form of basic slashes and jumps.

The gameplay allows both characters to avoid damage just by blocking, even if the sword could technically get under their guard. Theres only like 3/4 animations for Ganon blocking in WW, one where his sword is simply straight down to block Links predictable slashes and some where its above his head for Links even more predictable jumps.

Originally posted by Burning thought
We have but not using canon sources, like a video or something.

Well unfortunately, DS is a mid 90s 2D fighter, it's not heavily story driven. Capcom created books and All About guides for the games but they are all in Japanese. Luckily, Saiki translated the guides. If you don't believe what is said in the guide (even though he makes it very clear that he only used official books) then that's your problem. Email him or register at SRK and Capcom Unity to talk to him, I do.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Although I would like to see evidence of 3.

YouTube video

1:33

Originally posted by Burning thought
was before he was weakened and its hard to gauge how this makes him durable, this could be magic resistance, a special kind of resistance etc. Time/space afaik does not have a physical durability.

...He use's an attack called the "Scalephoton" which emits a highly compressed arrow of magic at a high speed at it's victims. This attack would even kill Galnan and Jedah if it were to hit them. He had used a low powered warning shot against Demitri 100 years ago...

...When Belial had won victory over Demitri by ripping Demitri's castle and the gate into human world. But damaging space itself also damaged Belial's body...

I don't get what your sayin'. The attack was so powerful that it ripped a hole into time and space, sendin' Demitri through. The attack is so powerful and dense that not even space and time around the target can maintain existence. The attack was not designed to destroy time and space which is why he ended up killin' himself on miustake.

If an attack fails to destroy time and space through sheer force alone, Demitri can survive it.

Originally posted by Burning thought

9. Is this proven? the darkstalkers wiki also made by fans says something like that its not actually conclusive that Demitri actually gains vast amounts of power from absorbing Pyron, only that it "did" strengthen him. The fact he beat Pyron kinda makes it null.

The only fight that Capcom has explained was between Demitri and Pyron. And this battle ended with Demitri consuming Pyron and becoming stronger.

What are you sayin'? He absorbed Pyron and his power increased. That's what 'I'm' sayin'. And he beat a Pyron who was clearly holdin' back. Either way, he absorbed 'all' of Pyron. A bein' wit enough power to melt planets just by bein' close to them.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Well unfortunately, DS is a mid 90s 2D fighter, it's not heavily story driven. Capcom created books and All About guides for the games but they are all in Japanese. Luckily, Saiki translated the guides. If you don't believe what is said in the guide (even though he makes it very clear that he only used official books) then that's your problem. Email him or register at SRK and Capcom Unity to talk to him, I do.

YouTube video

1:33

I don't get what your sayin'. The attack was so powerful that it ripped a hole into time and space, sendin' Demitri through. The attack is so powerful and dense that not even space and time around the target can maintain existence. The attack was not designed to destroy time and space which is why he ended up killin' himself on miustake.

If an attack fails to destroy time and space through sheer force alone, Demitri can survive it.

What are you sayin'? He absorbed Pyron and his power increased. That's what 'I'm' sayin'. And he beat a Pyron who was clearly holdin' back. Either way, he absorbed 'all' of Pyron. A bein' wit enough power to melt planets just by bein' close to them.

That speed was not that fast, infact I am not sure if its even speed. He seems to float a little off the ground, its like he just levitates a short distance. Hardly impressive by most KMC characters standards.

I am saying that we dont know how durable time/space is, and this was a magic arrow that pretty much BFR him, its hard to gauge how impressive it really is, only that it can BFR him. Damaging space, by the sounds of it just consisted of him ripping off a piece of his own Makai body to get rid of Demitris castle.

Pyron at full size and using his powers can do that, that does not mean Demitri gains those specific powers or that it increases his power much at all. Considering Demitri overpowered Pyron, I am thinking Demitri was already>Pyron therefore the increase for Demitri is likely little.

None of these things apart from maybe the assumption that Demitri can perform everything Pyron could do gives him a chance against even lesser opponents than Kain. Dante and Ganondorf are more threatening opponents if thats the best hes got.

Originally posted by Burning thought
That speed was not that fast, infact I am not sure if its even speed. He seems to float a little off the ground, its like he just levitates a short distance. Hardly impressive by most KMC characters standards.

So you didn't see his sprite vanish?

Originally posted by Burning thought
I am saying that we dont know how durable time/space is, and this was a magic arrow that pretty much BFR him, its hard to gauge how impressive it really is, only that it can BFR him. Damaging space, by the sounds of it just consisted of him ripping off a piece of his own Makai body to get rid of Demitris castle.

Pyron at full size and using his powers can do that, that does not mean Demitri gains those specific powers or that it increases his power much at all. Considering Demitri overpowered Pyron, I am thinking Demitri was already>Pyron therefore the increase for Demitri is likely little.

None of these things apart from maybe the assumption that Demitri can perform everything Pyron could do gives him a chance against even lesser opponents than Kain. Dante and Ganondorf are more threatening opponents if thats the best hes got.

Everyone in this thread at once<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Pyron. Now what do you think Demitri+Pyron will do? Your mad if you think Dante and the likes are even close.

And I've been over this wit you 1000 times already. If your the only person who can't see Kain is outmatched then it's really not worth it. Why would you drag me into another circular arguin' match like all the ones before? Why do you want to do this wit me? It's clear you'll never change your mind no matter what evidence is submitted and it's damn sure clear I aint changin' mine cuz Kain doesn't stand a chance. Until your ready to put your bias aside and get serious about this debate. Leave me alone.

I took you off my ignore list cuz I believed you could change. Don't make me regret it.

I've been over this wit you 1000 times already. If your the only person who can't see Kain is outmatched then it's really not worth it. Why would you drag me into another circular arguin' match like all the ones before? Why do you want to do this wit me? It's clear you'll never change your mind no matter what evidence is submitted and it's damn sure clear I aint changin' mine cuz Kain doesn't stand a chance. Until your ready to put your bias aside and get serious about this debate. Leave me alone.

So much truth. High five.

Originally posted by No End N Site
So you didn't see his sprite vanish?

I've been over this wit you 1000 times already. If your the only person who can't see Kain is outmatched then it's really not worth it. Why would you drag me into another circular arguin' match like all the ones before? Why do you want to do this wit me? It's clear you'll never change your mind no matter what evidence is submitted and it's damn sure clear I aint changin' mine cuz Kain doesn't stand a chance. Until your ready to put your bias aside and get serious about this debate. Leave me alone.

For a split second before the leviation, its not exactly speed however since it wont help him.

It is worth it if you want to argue in this thread. And I am serious, you dont have evidence suggesting Demitri actually has all the powers Pyron has, only that he has gained power. If you dont want to argue it, then do not put forwards an opinion. Nothing supports it, I cannot understand how you cannot see your own bias in your words. based on the powers youve listed yourself, Kain is not outclassed in any way, infact a lot of characters have the powers you listed except maybe midnight bliss.

Demitri is not a combination of both characters, he simply absorbed Pyron. Theres nothing that implies Demitri can become planet sized and fly throughout the galaxy.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Demitri is not a combination of both characters, he simply absorbed Pyron. Theres nothing that implies Demitri can become planet sized and fly throughout the galaxy.

Are you crazy?! I'm not sayin' he has Pyron's cosmic powers. I'm sayin' his strength, speed, stamina and all other stats have been increased by what ever power level Pyron has. Demitri ate 200,000,000 years of raw energy.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So much truth. High five.

Awriiiiiight

Originally posted by No End N Site
Are you crazy?! I'm not sayin' he has Pyron's cosmic powers. I'm sayin' his strength, speed, stamina and all other stats have been increased by what ever power level Pyron has. Demitri ate 200,000,000 years of raw energy.

So what seriously supports this? what supports that he can lift and throw planets, move at light speed etc?

I am trying to find Demitris ending after hes eaten Pyron, I could have sworn it implied he was still not strong enough. He was also killed by Jedah apprently.

Originally posted by Burning thought
So what seriously supports this? what supports that he can lift and throw planets, move at light speed etc?

He literally consumed him for power.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I am trying to find Demitris ending after hes eaten Pyron, I could have sworn it implied he was still not strong enough. He was also killed by Jedah apprently.

Endin' never said it was not enough power.

Jedah never killed Demitri. It was just a drama CD.

Originally posted by No End N Site
[B]HE STOLE THE ENERGY OF SOMEONE WHO CAN.

He literally consumed him for power.

Endin' never said it was not enough power.

Jedah never killed Demitri. It was just a drama CD. [/B]

Absorbing energy is never enough, if you used the same energy that powered your television and plugged in your toaster. You cant watch movies on your toaster. 😉

He consumed him? sure, thats canon, he gained power? sure.....but what he actually gained is never said. You claim to be against saying Demitri has Pyrons cosmic powers, yet your argument is that he has the speed/strength etc of Pyron, sounds like your choosing what you think is likely, not what actually said or shown.

You know where the resources are, can you find the ending for Demitri?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Absorbing energy is never enough, if you used the same energy that powered your television and plugged in your toaster. You cant watch movies on your toaster. 😉

You still don't get it. The toaster is not made for watchin' movies. But if I combined the voltage for the T.V. and toatser and put it all in the toaster and through it in the bath tub while you were in it, it would be like I threw the toaster and T.V. in at the same time. The toaster is more powerful, now.

Originally posted by Burning thought
He consumed him? sure, thats canon, he gained power? sure.....but what he actually gained is never said. You claim to be against saying Demitri has Pyrons cosmic powers, yet your argument is that he has the speed/strength etc of Pyron, sounds like your choosing what you think is likely, not what actually said or shown.

The only person who would make such a ridiculous argument is someone who wants Kain to win very desperately. Pyron is made completely of energy and is an alien life form unlike Demitri. There are some things Pyron can do because of who he is that no one else can. Absorbin' Pyron was like drinkin' an energy drink. The energy that made Pyron is now inside of Demitri. How can that not be understood?

Originally posted by Burning thought
You know where the resources are, can you find the ending for Demitri?

VG museum.com. Go look for it.

-edit-

Here it is

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/c/ds.htm

Easier to find than I thought.

Originally posted by No End N Site
You still don't get it. The toaster is not made for watchin' movies. But if I combined the voltage for the T.V. and toatser and put it all in the toaster and through it in the bath tub while you were in it, it would be like I threw the toaster and T.V. in at the same time. The toaster is more powerful, now.

The only person who would make such a ridiculous argument is someone who wants Kain to win very desperately. Pyron is made completely of energy and is an alien life form unlike Demitri. There are some things Pyron can do because of who he is that no one else can. Absorbin' Pyron was like drinkin' an energy drink. The energy that made Pyron is now inside of Demitri. How can that not be understood?

VG museum.com. Go look for it.

-edit-

Here it is

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/c/ds.htm

Easier to find than I thought.

Technically the voltage would be the same if your using the same wire. but this is not as good an analogy as mine because Demitri is taking power, but has not shown he can manipulate it like Pyron can.

I dont care if Kain wins, and according to you Demitri has all of those abilities because he took the energy. Either way its not a feat or even comparable deduction.

That scan proves Demitri is still weak, why? because despite what he has gained he is still says he is weak in sunlight, still says day walking humans are beyond him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Technically the voltage would be the same if your using the same wire. but this is not as good an analogy as mine because Demitri is taking power, but has not shown he can manipulate it like Pyron can.

No, my analogy was better and it made sense. If you took the power of T.V. and put it in a toaster, your toast will be ready faster.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont care if Kain wins, and according to you Demitri has all of those abilities because he took the energy. Either way its not a feat or even comparable deduction.

Accordin' only to you.

Originally posted by Burning thought
That scan proves Demitri is still weak, why? because despite what he has gained he is still says he is weak in sunlight, still says day walking humans are beyond him.

Where does it say any of that? Your just makin stuff up nowiorilmao

Originally posted by No End N Site
No, my analogy was better and it made sense. If you took the power of T.V. and put it in a toaster, your toast will be ready faster.

Accordin' only to you.

Where does it say any of that? Your just makin stuff up nowiorilmao

yes because I have the evidence, theres nothing that states Demitri can use the specific powers of Pyron, nor does he actually get Pyrons speed or strength, hell he still cant even go out in the daylight.

I guess you missed the bit where he said "soon even the day dwellers will bare their throats to me", hence he cannot even go in the daylight to feed. Hes still too weak.

*sigh*

What ever BT...

Originally posted by No End N Site
*sigh*

What ever canon darkstalkers...

Why is anyone actually seriously debating this?

Literally every video or scan in this thread has been brought up against BT at some point in time, he will never change.

Also, "one meter" lol.

Ganondorf himself is over two meters tall.

One meter.

Lawl.

Everyone in this thread will beat Kain.