Kain vs little Gauntlet

Its not an excuse if I actually did something wrong, I never did in that case. I have done, I deserved several warnings but that point of the ban was unjustified.

Yes, people holding grudges and who have silly problems against me. If they dont like being beaten in an argumetn then they should not argue.

2. IRONY. You've been trying to get a certain other member banned for a long time because you don't seem to enjoy arguing with them.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. It is an excuse, you broke the rules, you were trolling and baiting and flaming. We both got banned, one of us is complaining, that one is you. There was no bias, the mods did their jobs. Saw a problem, and solved it. You're luck they're lenient.

2. IRONY. You've been trying to get a certain other member banned for a long time because you don't seem to enjoy arguing with them.

1. I disagagree, I only did it once, I deserved a couple of warnings. The final ban on the other hand should have been yours, I dont remember bashing anyone in that thread when you jumped in and started trolling me. You mean your lucky, you would have been gone before you could even attack me if they were strict.

2. I think their one of the better people to argue with I have you know, you dont know the half of it however.

1. I disagagree, I only did it once, I deserved a couple of warnings. The final ban on the other hand should have been yours, I dont remember bashing anyone in that thread when you jumped in and started trolling me. You mean your lucky, you would have been gone before you could even attack me if they were strict.

2. I think their one of the better people to argue with I have you know, you dont know the half of it however.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You really need to accept responsibility for your own actions and their consequences, I did. Maturity is a good thing in this case.

I know that it would make you VERY unpopular to do something underhanded.

1. I do, hence why I admit to two warnings, not the final ban.

2. I am already very unpopular for daft reasons, it would only mean theres yet another reason. but I prefer the guy here than not.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Hes more powerful, that doesnt mean hes got the powers Pyron once had.

His power increased by however much ate. Stop denying this.

Originally posted by Burning thought
fact of the matter is Demitri was more powerful than pyron in the first place so Pyrons, speed, strength or w/e he may have used is redundant to Demitri who is a lesser vampire on Earth.

So Demitri is FTL and powerful enough to brush off compressed stars. I know.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The guy has to shield hismelf from the sun for gods sake. Based on your equation Kain is nigh omnipotent (typical use, not Mirias).

Just because Capcom decided to give him a weakness all vampires have doesn't mean he's weak. And he can shield him self and WHOLE CASTLES in energy barriers at only 80% power. Kain wish he could put out that type of energy. Kain fails.

come on bt, can you please accept this lose. this is like your pointless arguments with supermario. everybody is against you, even a moderator, game. 💃

Originally posted by No End N Site
His power increased by however much ate. Stop denying this.

So Demitri is FTL and powerful enough to brush off compressed stars. I know.

Just because Capcom decided to give him a weakness all vampires have doesn't mean he's weak. And he can shield him self and WHOLE CASTLES in energy barriers at only 80% power. Kain wish he could put out that type of energy. Kain fails.

Stop implying this, I will continue to deny it until you provide proof. We only know he ate Pyron, theres nothing about him gaining his full powers.

Never shown, Pyron and Demitris fight=ambigious. Your not even making sense in your own fiction, Demitri is terrified of the suns light yet you think he can take stars? lol...

All vampires apart from superior ones like Kain for example.

Originally posted by wammamram
come on bt, can you please accept this lose. this is like your pointless arguments with supermario. everybody is against you, even a moderator, game. 💃

This is not a loss, I can bring up many reasons for Kain winning, nobody can counter me or my arguments. An appeal to audiance fallacy is yet another nail in my oppositions coffin, thanks for supplying it.

This is not a loss, I can bring up many reasons for Kain winning, nobody can counter me or my arguments. An appeal to audiance fallacy is yet another nail in my oppositions coffin, thanks for supplying it.

You refuse to acknowledge this, or simply do and refuse to admit it for the sake of trolling. One or the other.

You know, with all the claims being thrown around, I haven't really seen Burning Thought support a single one of them. Ganon and Demetri are the only ones that have been backed up.

I hate every time someone says "X is faster/stronger/better than Y" and expects this to mean something. Why are they faster? "Because they are." I've seen nothing to suggest Kain defeats even Ganondorf. Burning Thought, why do you spend all your time attempting to break the opposition and discredit their feats, while providing none for Kain? I'm honestly curious. Give me something to work with, and stop bashing every character that isn't Kain.

And this ban on anything non-cutscene makes very little sense. It's like they aren't even game characters anymore. Only the movies count. If it's in the game, why can't it be used?

Can you give a reason Kain wins, at the very least?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You've got no argument, and Wam's post is not a nail in anyone's coffin. Any point you tried to make was crushed by page two. We have videos and scans and evidence in this thread, you do not. Each of these characters could solo Kain, as a group they are incredible spite.

You refuse to acknowledge this, or simply do and refuse to admit it for the sake of trolling. One or the other.

No its a nail in my oppositions, youve supplied most of them however. You have no argument lol, and youve got no proof either. I have all the evidence under my belt that proves Kain is superior in every way, or that he could beat Round 1 in one move.

Nah, I refuse to submit to your trolling attempts, ignoring claims and lack of knowledge on most of the series in this thread.

He says he has evidence. But where is it?

yes someone agrued with me! this calls for another dance💃

Originally posted by The Scenario
You know, with all the claims being thrown around, I haven't really seen Burning Thought support a single one of them. Ganon and Demetri are the only ones that have been backed up.

I hate every time someone says "X is faster/stronger/better than Y" and expects this to mean something. Why are they faster? "Because they are." I've seen nothing to suggest Kain defeats even Ganondorf. Burning Thought, why do you spend all your time attempting to break the opposition and discredit their feats, while providing none for Kain? I'm honestly curious. Give me something to work with, and stop bashing every character that isn't Kain.

And this ban on anything non-cutscene makes very little sense. It's like they aren't even game characters anymore. Only the movies count. If it's in the game, why can't it be used?

Can you give a reason Kain wins, at the very least?

They havnt been backed up with good evidence. Theres a scan for Pyron whos not in the thread and theres gameplay mechanics for Ganon. Heres all the evidence that provides Kain a win;

Kains Blood omen spells:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

Blood omen 2 powers:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverraz.php

Raziels powers:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/sr1/abilities.php

Raziels reavers:
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/sr2/reavers.php
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverraz.php

Kains reavers:
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/reaverkain.php

The soul spells, blood shower and mind powers will beat any of team 1 in one move.

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At 0:38

"vampires immortal flesh close as soon as its cleaved"

YouTube video

1:08 shows Kain teleporting too quick for any of round 1 to react, Kain reacts in 0.2 seconds at each teleport, faster than their reflexes can even keep up with based on a lack of feats.

If you like math:

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Raziel moves around blocks that have been mathed even by scream at about 45 tonnes, he then moves around two on top of the other with ease. With around 100 tonnes of strength he can strike Kain and deal no damage, despite being able to slice into concrete. The PSI on the edge of his sharp blades is unlike anything Ganon has faced and repelled and beyond anything he has dealt either.

YouTube video

Kain reacted and moved meters in under 0.2 seconds in this vid at 5;18, Artifical Glory, me and Bloodrain got 0.2, if not under consistently. Me and Artifical got about 0.18, this is blinding speed for Kratos and Demitri. Even Ganon has not reacted at these speeds, Kain has.

Any more evidence you may need should be on that Dark chronicle site I gave you.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Stop implying this, I will continue to deny it until you provide proof. We only know he ate Pyron, theres nothing about him gaining his full powers.

There is no one on this forum who will agree wit in what your sayin'. He ate Pyron to gain more strength. Yet did not gain power from eatin' Pyron? I don't have to prove what any normal human should have common sense to know. You can't even prove if Kain wont be absorbed by Demitri or how Kain will survive Midnight Bliss.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Never shown, Pyron and Demitris fight=ambigious. Your not even making sense in your own fiction, Demitri is terrified of the suns light yet you think he can take stars?

Since when has Demitri been scared of stars or sunlight? He has a energy field he can use to protect him. He is invulnerable to sunlight and even when not protected, it's nothing more than a minor "irritant". Your bein' a total troll and fanboi now. When Kain can survive a temperature of 1,000,000 degrees Celsius. He's a loser when it comes to Demitri.

Originally posted by Burning thought
This is not a loss

It is, your insane biased is just blinding you from this fact.

Let's note that none of those spells have feats in regards to general power. Similar to all of Kain's blood powers and his mind control stuff.

Isn't it a no limit fallacy when you assume something like, say, blood shower can rip blood from a person who is relatively durable when all it's done is take it from normal humans?

Originally posted by No End N Site
There is no one on this forum who will agree wit in what your sayin'. He ate Pyron to gain more strength. Yet did not gain power from eatin' Pyron? I don't have to prove what any normal human should have common sense to know. You can't even prove if Kain wont be absorbed by Demitri or how Demitri will survive Midnight Bliss.

Since when has Demitri been scared of stars or sunlight? He has a energy field he can use to protect him. He is invulnerable to sunlight and even when not protected, it's nothing more than a minor "irritant". Your bein' a total troll and fanboi now. When Kain can survive a temperature of 1,000,000 degrees Celsius. He's a loser when it comes to Demitri.

It is, your insane biased is just blinding you from this fact.

Then their bias and ignorant. He gained more strength, we just know its not much because its not even taken away his weakness to sunlight, hes not as strong as he was against belial. We dont know how the "absorbtion" works either so its not a feat and if your trying to use midnight bliss then your beginning to argue, well done.

Since he can be disintegrated without his shield against sunlights rays. When has demitri survived those temperatures? let me guess, in the presence of belial before he was weakened?

No, thats my opposition. I am using evidence, and my own knowledge of the games I have played. Darkstalkers and LoZ are the only ones, 2 characters, Darkstalkers being pretty amigious leaving only 1 character I do not know everything on, Ganondorf.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Let's note that none of those spells have feats in regards to general power. Similar to all of Kain's blood powers and his mind control stuff.

Isn't it a no limit fallacy when you assume something like, say, blood shower can rip blood from a person who is relatively durable when all it's done is take it from normal humans?

Their straight forward abilities that are well scripted, i.e, they tell you exactly what they do. If a character has no resistances for their souls, their blood, etc then their powerless. If they have no technique against someone who can mind control, then their powerless.

No, because your assuming durability has anything to do with it. If it was a projectile based on physical damage then saying it could break anyones body would be a no limit fallacy. This is not the same.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Let's note that none of those spells have feats in regards to general power. Similar to all of Kain's blood powers and his mind control stuff.

Isn't it a no limit fallacy when you assume something like, say, blood shower can rip blood from a person who is relatively durable when all it's done is take it from normal humans?

Don't tell BT that. Hell as far as BT is concerned Kain can do this to people who can withstand temperatures of 1 million degrees, no problem.

Yes because withstanding temperature protects your blood from sorcery. Not that current Demitri has that feat ofc.

Originally posted by Burning thought
They havnt been backed up with good evidence. Theres a scan for Pyron whos not in the thread and theres gameplay mechanics for Ganon. Heres all the evidence that provides Kain a win;

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

The soul spells, blood shower and mind powers will beat any of team 1 in one move.

Time for a little exercise/experiment. Any of those been used outside of gameplay?

At 0:38

"vampires immortal flesh close as soon as its cleaved"

"They need only fear those that impale or enflame."

Point of that video?

1:08 shows Kain teleporting too quick for any of round 1 to react, Kain reacts in 0.2 seconds at each teleport, faster than their reflexes can even keep up with based on a lack of feats.

That looks like game mechanics. Has he ever done that in a cutscene?

If you like math:

Raziel moves around blocks that have been mathed even by scream at about 45 tonnes, he then moves around two on top of the other with ease. With around 100 tonnes of strength he can strike Kain and deal no damage, despite being able to slice into concrete. The PSI on the edge of his sharp blades is unlike anything Ganon has faced and repelled and beyond anything he has dealt either.

Looks like it was only in regard to pushing and lifting things. If he could hit that hard, those little enemies would have been instantly destroyed. Game mechanics.

Kain reacted and moved meters in under 0.2 seconds in this vid at 5;18, Artifical Glory, me and Bloodrain got 0.2, if not under consistently. Me and Artifical got about 0.18, this is blinding speed for Kratos and Demitri. Even Ganon has not reacted at these speeds, Kain has.

That's supposed to be a reaction? Raziel took a while to stand up, and longer for Kain to even notice. Then Kain made a short dash. Why don't you prove he can move that fast consistently?

Ganondorf already his own feat to match this, when he killed the Sage (though not consistent, either). Does Kain have defenses for a touch that makes people disintegrate?

Any more evidence you may need should be on that Dark chronicle site I gave you.

It's got a lot of featless spells. One thing I found interesting, though:

YouTube video

2:08 Ganondorf coughs up blood. Only problem? It's green.

xD Good job finding the green blood part, does it count?

And the disintegrating thing was on the sages who look more spirit then physical form