Odin's heralds VS Galactus's heralds

Originally posted by Naija boy
Regardless of whether bill is dumb or not, Bill will be vulnerable to such a tactic for most of the fight. Given the speed of surfers board, avoiding it even if it came at Bill head on would be difficult let alone from behind or some other angle. THe simple method of attacking bill with blasts and such while the board blitzes him from another angle is pretty effective. Moreover constantly having to think about the board blitz might divert bills attention and thus make surfers other attacks more dangerous.

Not saying the board would be completely ineffective, just saying that there is a few things he could do to to avoid a repeated sneak attack.

Originally posted by janus77
everytime Surfer casually tanks a Savage Hulk attack, he proves it.

UniLord, T&A, mindless Hulk, Green Scar, Savage Hulk ... not anyone of these could Thor handle as well as Surfer does.

Thor is more popular, but not in Surfer's power class. not close even, imo.

Thor's more powerful than the Surfer, by far if we take into account his best showings Surfer's isn't close.

Originally posted by kgkg
Because that was not Post Annihilation Surfer plus he wasn't trying to beat Thor.

Again thanks for not answer the question and jumping to another boat.

Again how is Thor going to block a blast from Surfer while the Board K.O's him from behind.

Ya it was stated like 10 times it was Warrior Madness. 🙄 Whatever you want to call it. Thor does not operate at this level on his regular bases so it's pointless bringing it here.

BRB has had better feats than Current Thor and Surfer beat him pretty easily. It's only natural he beats him here.

He could block it and move. Skill, brah.

It was guessed it was but then later on they said it wasn't more than once and Odin confirmed it. It kinda shows you didn't read the arc if you want me tbh.

Originally posted by Galan007
Or, you know, Bill fights smart and uses shielding. Or he creates a warp tunnel and BFR's the board.

Not saying the board would be completely ineffective, just saying that there is a few things he could do to to avoid a repeated sneak attack.

I agree there are things he could do to perhaps avoid the attack temporarily, but it would remain a huge danger to him throughout the fight and its rate of success would exceed its failure rate.

Using shielding would be his best bet, but that is only a temporary solution. If he hopes to go on the attack then he has to drop his shield sometime.

And given its speed and surfers control of the board, the warp tunnel defense would be pretty ineffective imo.

Originally posted by Naija boy
I agree there are things he could do to perhaps avoid the attack temporarily, but it would remain a huge danger to him throughout the fight and its rate of success would exceed its failure rate.

Using shielding would be his best bet, but that is only a temporary solution. If he hopes to go on the attack then he has to drop his shield sometime.

And given its speed and surfers control of the board, the warp tunnel defense would be pretty ineffective imo.

True, but he'd still be protected. Omni-blasts would also be helpful, as Surfer and his board could be struck at the same time. Just another possibility.

Bill had no problem countering Surfer's energy attacks, don't know why it's hard to believe he could warp tunnel the board away..?

Originally posted by Galan007
If Bill plays it smart, the board wouldn't hinder him too much at all, imo - especially when he would also have Thor to deal with. I mean let's face it, Stardust is a borderline non-factor here.

True, but he'd still be protected. Omni-blasts would also be helpful, as Surfer and his board could be struck at the same time. Just another possibility.

Bill had no problem countering Surfer's energy attacks, don't know why it's hard to believe he could warp tunnel the board away..?

SAying stardust is a non-factor here is quite an exageration. He has stalemated with bill on one occasion and though he recently lost to bill in Godhunter, he seemed to be unharmed and he willbe pretty hard to KO.

An omni blast may help on offence but defensively not so much. Surfer is faster than Bill and can dodge + has shields. If bill attacks with the omni blast and surfer avoids it, it would make him vulnerable to a board blitz on the counter attack.

I see the warp tunnel as being ineffective because bill doesnt have the ability to be blocking surfers blasts with the hammer while also using that same hammer to create a warp tunnel to bfr a board coming from a different angle. Moreover, given the speed and control surfer has over his board as well as the distances in which they are fighting, i doubt bill can even create a warp tunnel in the time the board is launched and the time it takes to reach him. Further surfer has absolute control of his board and even if such a tunnel is created he could simply navigate the board in another direction. Additionally, the fact that surfer wil be attacking bill via blasts/encasment/matter manip etc simultaneously while using the board blitz, would make it even more difficult for bill to warp tunnel surfers board away without making himself vulnerable to some other form of attack.

Originally posted by Naija boy
SAying stardust is a non-factor here is quite an exageration. He has stalemated with bill on one occasion and though he recently lost to bill in Godhunter, he seemed to be unharmed and he willbe pretty hard to KO.

An omni blast may help on offence but defensively not so much. Surfer is faster than Bill and can dodge + has shields. If bill attacks with the omni blast and surfer avoids it, it would make him vulnerable to a board blitz on the counter attack.

I see the warp tunnel as being ineffective because bill doesnt have the ability to be blocking surfers blasts with the hammer while also using that same hammer to create a warp tunnel to bfr a board coming from a different angle. Moreover, given the speed and control surfer has over his board as well as the distances in which they are fighting, i doubt bill can even create a warp tunnel in the time the board is launched and the time it takes to reach him. Further surfer has absolute control of his board and even if such a tunnel is created he could simply navigate the board in another direction. Additionally, the fact that surfer wil be attacking bill via blasts/encasment/matter manip etc simultaneously while using the board blitz, would make it even more difficult for bill to warp tunnel surfers board away without making himself vulnerable to some other form of attack.

An omni-blasts main purpose is that you don't really need to aim it, because it's pretty much unavoidable - so I don't see Surfer dodging it. Such an attack is also favorable, because we already know it is capable of downing Surfer (as Thor once downed both Surfer and Warlock with an omni-blast.) Again, just throwing some possibilities out there.

Bill has BFR'd a tiny singularity that was charging at him like it was nothing. Tack on the fact that Bill has never had trouble perceiving Surfer (or his attacks) in the past, and I really don't see him having trouble warp tunneling Surfer's board away, before he was struck by it (especially now, since he knows Surfer will likely try to use his board as a weapon.)

Anyhow, I see Stardust being taken out almost immediately after the battle begins - he/she is not much of a threat to the likes of Bill/Thor. With 'dust out of the picture this would quickly turn into a 2 on 1 situation... And I don't see Surfer defeating both Thor and Bill simultaneously.

Originally posted by Galan007
The 'standard' version of Stardust is really not much of a threat to either Thor or Bill - each of them could swat 'dust away with a fair amount of ease. In fact, I'd wager that Thor could potentially absorb him/her (could never figure out a gender for it) with Mjolnir.

An omni-blasts main purpose is that you don't really need to aim it, because it's pretty much unavoidable - so I don't see Surfer dodging it. Such an attack is also favorable, because we already know it is capable of downing Surfer (as Thor once downed both Surfer and Warlock with an omni-blast.) Again, just throwing some possibilities out there.

Bill has BFR'd a tiny singularity that was charging at him like it was nothing. Tack on the fact that Bill has never had trouble perceiving Surfer (or his attacks) in the past, and I really don't see him having trouble warp tunneling Surfer's board away, before he was struck by it (especially now, since he knows Surfer will likely try to use his board as a weapon.)

Anyhow, I see Stardust being taken out almost immediately after the battle begins - he/she is not much of a threat to the likes of Bill/Thor. With 'dust out of the picture this would quickly turn into a 2 on 1 situation... And I don't see Surfer defeating both Thor and Bill simultaneously.

Simply swatting stardust away wont really suffice to eliminate him from the fight. Moreover we know that he/she can evolve on the fly into its more powerful form, a form in which he could certainly more than hold his own against Bill or Thor. The fact that Stardust cant really be taken out physically will be an important factor here imo. Also given stardusts own matter/energy absorbtion abilities i dont see Thor simply absobring its entire being into mjolnir.

An omni blast doesnt need to be aimed as it fires in nearly all directions simultaneously. This however does not mean it cant be avoided. The range of the omniblast will certainly not cover the entire battlefield (unless bill wants to hurt thor as well) and so it can certainly be avoided by moving out of its range. Shielding is also an easy option. Moreover, while admittedly an omniblast is a good form of offense and has the highest rate of accuracy when bill is attacking, it will provide little help in defending the board blitz when surfer is the one blasting with omni blasts of his own/matter manip/encasment etc. Moreover Bill will certainly not be downing surfer with a single omniblast akin to B and T thor. Bill feats arent interchangeable with Thors and they are certainly not interchangeable with a thor who was portrayed more powerfully than we have ever seen him.

The singularity that was charging at bill was not doing so at speeds even comparable to surfers board, considering that even Quasar could perceive it with no problems. Moreover in that scenario both bill and quasar had time to track the singularities flight path and then jump in with the sole purpose of teleporting it away. Its an entirely different scenario when bill will be engaged actively in battle defending numerous other attacks from surfer and then suddenly have to warp tunnel away an object travelling at vastly greater speeds that could come at him from any angle. The board blitz is perhaps surfers fastest and most unpredictable attack and being able to block surfers blasts with his hammer (which may be attributed to aim blocking) is not analogous to warp tunnelling away the board.

Additionally, even if bill does succeed in creating a warp tunnel in the time surfer launches the board blitz and the time it takes the board to hit him (which is highly unlikely), theres nothing stopping surfer from simply moving the board in another direction and hitting bill as he would have already committed to that particular defence. Then there is the fact that by using the warp tunnel defence he would be leaving himself wide open to other
attacks from surfer. All in all therefore, attempting to warp tunnel away surfers board is not at all an efficient strategy to counter the board blitz.

I believe u are vastly underrating stardust. He can certainly prove to be very dangerous to either Thor or Bill in this fight.

^ Didn't feel like reading and responding to all of that. I'll just assume you disagreed with everything I said, and move on. 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Didn't feel like reading and responding to that. I'll just assume you disagreed with everything I said, and move on. 😛

You guessed it 😄

Galan and savant are interchangeable words, you know. vin

Bate Ray Bill can do this by himself.

He is a true badass. Marvel version of Black Adams.

He already took on Silver Surfer and Stardust.

He was doing a good job.

Made Galactus look like a wuss.

Read his comic when he seeks vengence on Galactus.

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
Bate Ray Bill can do this by himself.

He is a true badass. Marvel version of Black Adams.

He already took on Silver Surfer and Stardust.

He was doing a good job.

Made Galactus look like a wuss.

Read his comic when he seeks vengence on Galactus.

It should be Silver Surfer and Stardust vs Bate Ray Bill.

He took on SS powerfulest Version and was kicking ass.

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
It should be Silver Surfer and Stardust vs Bate Ray Bill.

He took on SS powerfulest Version and was kicking ass.

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
It should be Silver Surfer and Stardust vs Bate Ray Bill.

He took on SS powerfulest Version and was kicking ass.

Originally posted by Galan007
Bill isn't that powerful. srsly

Shhh. Let him dream.

Originally posted by Blanket
what

Originally posted by Galan007
Bill isn't that powerful. srsly

I didnt say he was powerful.

I said he went toe to toe with SS.

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
I didnt say he was powerful.

I said he went toe to toe with SS.

Originally posted by Stranglehold300
Bate Ray Bill can do this by himself.

He is a true badass. Marvel version of Black Adams.

He already took on Silver Surfer and Stardust.

He was doing a good job.

Made Galactus look like a wuss.

Read his comic when he seeks vengence on Galactus.

Let it be known that I fully endorse the notion of BRB soloing some Heralds. 😛