Originally posted by Galan007 By the end of the B&T arc it was confirmed that Thor was not experiencing true WM.That might be the case but the point was it was refereed as WM a few times and I believe even at the end they said it wasn't true WM but Thor was still operating at level he does not operate on a regular bases. Like I was telling Quan using feat from that era is pretty much useless for Current Thor.
Originally posted by Galan007 I doubt the board to the back cheap shot that Surfer used against Bill to gain the upper hand would be as successful a second time. Bill is many things, but a dumb fighter he is not.It really didn't have to do with being dumb. It's hard to block something that moves faster than Light< and a lot faster than Bill can move even with SB he had to put mines to outrun Surfer>
While Surfer is blasting from the front it will be very hard/nearly impossible to block the board. Considering the output level Surfer can generate a Omni shield will not hold and evenly BB will get hit.
You have to remember Surfer was the one holding back here and even tells Bill flat out that he can't match his power.
Originally posted by kgkgWhy is it useless to current Thor?
That might be the case but the point was it was refereed as WM a few times and I believe even at the end they said it wasn't true WM but Thor was still operating at level he does not operate on a regular bases. Like I was telling Quan using feat from that era is pretty much useless for Current Thor.It really didn't have to do with being dumb. It's hard to block something that moves faster than Light< and a lot faster than Bill can move even with SB he had to put mines to outrun Surfer>
While Surfer is blasting from the front it will be very hard/nearly impossible to block the board. Considering the output level Surfer can generate a Omni shield will not hold and evenly BB will get hit.
You have to remember Surfer was the one holding back here and even tells Bill flat out that he can't match his power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Comics are what really happens otherwise you just end up being delusional.
Yes and No. Yes for comics and no for comic fights. Comics tell us what really happened. That means SS can annihilate Thor easily based off the things he's shown to be capable of. But their fights against each other falls into Story and Popularity of character.
Originally posted by kgkgThere is really no way to know for sure if Bill could or could not have blocked the board - it did strike him from behind, after all. However, the fact that just prior to getting cheap shotted with the board, Bill was easily perceiving Surfer and countering his attacks, tells me he could have countered the board as well (had he been prepared.)
It really didn't have to do with being dumb. It's hard to block something that moves faster than Light<and a lot faster than Bill can move even with SB he had to put mines to outrun Surfer
Bill was trying to reach the planet before Surfer and Galactus arrived there, because he wanted to blow it up before Galactus himself had a chance to feed on it (which was basically the premise of the "Godhunter" series.) That said, the mines were only meant to distract Surfer long enough for Bill to reach said planet, activate the charges, and detonate them, before Surfer got in the way again. But yeah, no one is debating Surfer's superiority in the travel speed department - he's likely even faster than Skuttlebutt where that's concerned.
Originally posted by Galan007
There is really no way to know for sure if Bill could or could not have blocked the board - it did strike him from behind, after all. However, the fact that just prior to getting cheap shotted with the board, Bill was easily perceiving Surfer and countering his attacks, tells me he could have countered the board as well (had he been prepared.)
Rasing his hammer and then aim blocking surfers blasts =/= to countering the board attack. The board blitz is a faster attack first of all. Then there is the fact that simply raising his hammer to block the boards aim wouldnt work in regards to the blast because he wouldnt be able to telegraph its flight path (surfer could change it at any time) as well as the fact that the hammer itself isnt large enough to outright block the board. Then we also have to consider that even if bill would be able to counter the board blitz as an isolated attack (which is unlikely) its a whole different story when surfer is using both blasts and the board simultaneously (which is what he did in their fight).
So basically Surfer only way of beating the Hammer bro is using his board against them.
I dont know why people consider Surfer above Bill when he cheap shotted him for an advantage. Bill had the advantage before that board slap. Surfer used tactic to take Bill out, it was nothing suggested or shown to even make me think Surfer is more powerful than Bill.
Originally posted by carver9
So basically Surfer only way of beating the Hammer bro is using his board against them.I dont know why people consider Surfer above Bill when he cheap shotted him for an advantage. Bill had the advantage before that board slap. Surfer used tactic to take Bill out, it was nothing suggested or shown to even make me think Surfer is more powerful than Bill.
When did anyone argue that was surfers only way of winning? Honestly i dont know if u deliberately type some of the nonsense u spout or if ur reading comprehension is really this poor.
Surfers board attack is an attack he has used on multiple occasions and which is a valid tactic. Call it a cheap shot if a makes u feel better but it is an attack that can be replicated over and over. In regards to who is more powerful, it has been outright stated on panel that surfer > BRB overall powerwise as well as having superior feats etc.
Originally posted by Naija boy
When did anyone argue that was surfers only way of winning? Honestly i dont know if u deliberately type some of the nonsense u spout or if ur reading comprehension is really this poor.Surfers board attack is an attack he has used on multiple occasions and which is a valid tactic. Call it a cheap shot if a makes u feel better but it is an attack that can be replicated over and over. In regards to who is more powerful, it has been outright stated on panel that surfer > BRB overall powerwise as well as having superior feats etc.
I brought that up because that is the only thing that has been mentioned throughout the thread.
Of course Surfer has more feats, he shows up more than Bill but its pretty much safe to say that Bill is Surfers equal. Bill ripping through Galactus hull with a blast proves this.
I know Surfers board attack is a valuable tactic but I also think that is his ONLY tactic against someone like Bill that has shown that he can keep up and absorb Surfer attacks along with delivering a crucial blow.
Originally posted by carver9
So basically Surfer only way of beating the Hammer bro is using his board against them.I dont know why people consider Surfer above Bill when he cheap shotted him for an advantage. Bill had the advantage before that board slap. Surfer used tactic to take Bill out, it was nothing suggested or shown to even make me think Surfer is more powerful than Bill.
You are wrong on many things:
1- Surfer can outpower Beta Ray Bill, has Surfer said himself: "You cannot match me, Bill. Why do you persist?" And then Bill answer to Surfer, suggesting that Surfer would have probably kick his ass.
2- Bill taked advantage by cheap-shotting Surfer at the first place: Surfer was following the space ship and BRB just got out to smack Surfer.
3- Surfer didn't cheap-shotted Bill: He used a tactic to bring him down: He first created a diversion with a blast, that Bill blocked to hit him with the board from behind.
4- After the hit, Bill is resignated, after having his face smash by a good punch from Surfer.
An all-out Surfer would murder Bill, and since they are at least supposed to be equal, he should take a majority on Thor too.
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Originally posted by Bouboumaster
You are wrong on many things:1- Surfer can outpower Beta Ray Bill, has Surfer said himself: "You cannot match me, Bill. Why do you persist?" And then Bill answer to Surfer, suggesting that Surfer would have probably kick his ass.
2- Bill taked advantage by cheap-shotting Surfer at the first place: Surfer was following the space ship and BRB just got out to smack Surfer.
3- Surfer didn't cheap-shotted Bill: He used a tactic to bring him down: He first created a diversion with a blast, that Bill blocked to hit him with the board from behind.
4- After the hit, Bill is resignated, after having his face smash by a good punch from Surfer.
An all-out Surfer would murder Bill, and since they are at least supposed to be equal, he should take a majority on Thor too.
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What are you talking about? Surfer wasnt aiming at the ship, he was shooting at Bill and got pimp slapped twice.
Surfer gained the advantage AFTER the board to the back of the head.
Originally posted by carver9
I brought that up because that is the only thing that has been mentioned throughout the thread.Of course Surfer has more feats, he shows up more than Bill but its pretty much safe to say that Bill is Surfers equal. Bill ripping through Galactus hull with a blast proves this.
I know Surfers board attack is a valuable tactic but I also think that is his ONLY tactic against someone like Bill that has shown that he can keep up and absorb Surfer attacks along with delivery a crucial blow.
Its not safe to say bill is surfers equal at all. Its been mentioned that surfer is outright more powerful than he is first of all. U cant then attempt to disregard surfers better feats than bill by saying he has more apearances and then go ahead and try to use one of bills highest feat to prove him being equal to surfer even though surfer has better feats. than that. Double standard much?
Further that fight was pretty decisive, Surfer was holding back immensely against a an extremely pissed off bill, took bills based attacks unharmed and then beat him into the fetal position. Surfers board attack is just a very effective tactic he can use against Bill. Its by no means the only tactic. Blasting (bill can absorb his attacks yes but certainly not eery single one of them) as well as encasment and matter manip are all very valid tactics he can use as well.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Its not safe to say bill is surfers equal at all. Its been mentioned that surfer is outright more powerful than he is first of all. U cant then attempt to disregard surfers better feats than bill by saying he has more apearances and then go ahead and try to use one of bills highest feat to prove him being equal to surfer even though surfer has better feats. than that. Double standard much?Further that fight was pretty decisive, Surfer was holding back immensely against a an extremely pissed off bill, took bills based attacks unharmed and then beat him into the fetal position. Surfers board attack is just a very effective tactic he can use against Bill. Its by no means the only tactic. Blasting (bill can absorb his attacks yes but certainly not eery single one of them) as well as encasment and matter manip are all very valid tactics he can use as well.
So basically with your assumption we are basing things off of what was shown during a fight because if thats the case, Thor>Surfer if we look at everything on panel.
During that fight Bill was blocking every attack Surfer sent his way and he did the same thing while fighting Star Dust. I see no reason why he cant block them on a forum fight since he has proven reflex wise as being capable of doing so. I agree, Surfer did shrug off the hammer hits but I think the fight would have lasted far longer than it did without that smart but yet cheap shot tactic.
Originally posted by Naija boyShields. Warp tunnel. Omni-blast.
Rasing his hammer and then aim blocking surfers blasts =/= to countering the board attack. The board blitz is a faster attack first of all. Then there is the fact that simply raising his hammer to block the boards aim wouldnt work in regards to the blast because he wouldnt be able to telegraph its flight path (surfer could change it at any time) as well as the fact that the hammer itself isnt large enough to outright block the board. Then we also have to consider that even if bill would be able to counter the board blitz as an isolated attack (which is unlikely) its a whole different story when surfer is using both blasts and the board simultaneously (which is what he did in their fight).
...Just circling around to our former debate (which I really don't want to start again.) 😛
Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about? Surfer wasnt aiming at the ship, he was shooting at Bill and got pimp slapped twice.Surfer gained the advantage AFTER the board to the back of the head.
I didn't say that Surfer was aiming the ship: I say that he was following it. Also, Beta Ray Bill got out of it to hit Surfer, when Surfer was there to talk.
Also, since the board is part of Silver Surfer itself, can we really call that a cheap shot?
