Alucard vs Dark Evangeline

I'd think her barrier spells could likely forcefully materialize him.

And note if Alucard releases his avatars, Aveline gets her puppets 🙂 Lotsa badass there, including Chachamaru (Magic powered/enhanced robot, has a built-in laser, often carries an anti-material rifle with enchanted shells including large-scale binding shells that prevent teleportation or other means of escape).

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Phantasmagoria steals all of his souls

While it's a fun ability, I think Alucard has the willpower to break free.

Chachamaru is an independent character and is not specified in the fight, therefore she is not allowed by default.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Wait, when has Alucard used lightning?

Alucard = Bram Stoker's Dracula who possessed control over the weather and can do stuff like use lightning, and mist. Alucard has displayed the same weather powers, as shown when he covered Dover in mist.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How about never. 😬

I'm pretty sure he only used intangability was only used in the non-canon TV series as well.

Also, I don't think he was TK'ing that blood, Hellsing-verse Vamps have control over blood when they drink, it just seems to be drawn into them. Heck, they don't even drink it, just absorb it. Seras does the same thing to Pips blood I recall.

Nup, Alucard was hiding in the walls when Seras met Pip and when Integra was meeting with Maxwell.

Only Alucard has shown that, and he already has established TK powers.

No, Seras drank his blood.

Originally posted by Q99
I'd think her barrier spells could likely forcefully materialize him.

And note if Alucard releases his avatars, Aveline gets her puppets 🙂 Lotsa badass there, including Chachamaru (Magic powered/enhanced robot, has a built-in laser, often carries an anti-material rifle with enchanted shells including large-scale binding shells that prevent teleportation or other means of escape)..

Why =l

Nup, Alucard can use his familiar's powers himself, as shown with Schrodinger's Quantum Reality Manipulation.

Endless Mike
Chachamaru is an independent character and is not specified in the fight, therefore she is not allowed by default.

The conditions she can be used is specified in the first post 🙂

Originally posted by FinalAnswer

Nup, Alucard can use his familiar's powers himself, as shown with Schrodinger's Quantum Reality Manipulation.

That's the Op: If he fights as himself at any level, Eva doesn't get access to her puppets. If he releases his army, she is allow to summon hers.

Evangeline is called the "Puppet Master," uses puppets is a primary part of her style too, and she has summoning magic via a 'doll' contract with them.

Originally posted by Q99
The conditions she can be used is specified in the first post 🙂

That's the Op: If he fights as himself at any level, Eva doesn't get access to her puppets. If he releases his army, she is allow to summon hers.

Evangeline is called the "Puppet Master," uses puppets is a primary part of her style too, and she has summoning magic via a 'doll' contract with them.

No, Alucard doesn't even need to summon his familiars to use their powers, He can use, say, Rip's bullets and Dandy Man's cards without summoning them. It does not contradict the OP

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
No, Alucard doesn't even need to summon his familiars to use their powers, He can use, say, Rip's bullets and Dandy Man's cards without summoning them. It does not contradict the OP

Wait, since when can he do that? I don't remember that cropping up (it shouldn't be game-breaking, I just didn't think he had that option).

Because he can use Schro's power without summoning him =l

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Because he can use Schro's power without summoning him =l

I think that's a fairly different situation. Shrodinger's 'power' was an always-on thing, more of a state of being, and in fact he couldn't turn it off, hence having to get rid of all the other souls.

That's bullshit. Negi doesn't get all of his partners in any fight he's in (although he does have an artifact that allows him to use all of their pactio abilities)

Originally posted by Q99
I think that's a fairly different situation. Shrodinger's 'power' was an always-on thing, more of a state of being, and in fact he couldn't turn it off, hence having to get rid of all the other souls.

But it should have only applied Schrodinger, unless Alucard has access to his familiar's powers.

Endless Mike
That's bullshit. Negi doesn't get all of his partners in any fight he's in (although he does have an artifact that allows him to use all of their pactio abilities)

Nor does Alucard normally release his army, plus Evangeline is more known for using puppets than Negi is by a lot (and Negi does still have the *ability* to summon his allies as he's done with Asuna on several occasions, as well as Setsuna a few times. So the option is there).

It's also in the very first post and has been from the start. I wanted things more symmetrical, and didn't want 'puppet army Eva' facing non-army released Alucard either. One gets an army, both do.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
But it should have only applied Schrodinger, unless Alucard has access to his familiar's powers.

I think it did only apply to Schrodinger, which is why Alucard had to get rid of all the other souls- until he did so, something that was trapped inside him was everywhere/no-where and thus he was stuck there too, but had no control of it.

It was only when he was down to one that he was able to properly use the power.

The situation was weird, and he obviously didn't have control of the ability until it was just him and Schrodinger.

Originally posted by Q99
Nor does Alucard normally release his army, plus Evangeline is more known for using puppets than Negi is by a lot (and Negi does still have the *ability* to summon his allies as he's done with Asuna on several occasions, as well as Setsuna a few times. So the option is there).

It's also in the very first post and has been from the start. I wanted things more symmetrical, and didn't want 'puppet army Eva' facing non-army released Alucard either. One gets an army, both do.

I think it did only apply to Schrodinger, which is why Alucard had to get rid of all the other souls- until he did so, something that was trapped inside him was everywhere/no-where and thus he was stuck there too, but had no control of it.

It was only when he was down to one that he was able to properly use the power.

The situation was weird, and he obviously didn't have control of the ability until it was just him and Schrodinger.

Then why did it affect Alucard? If it only affected Schrodinger, only Schrodinger should have become nothing.

Originally posted by Q99
[B]Nor does Alucard normally release his army, plus Evangeline is more known for using puppets than Negi is by a lot (and Negi does still have the *ability* to summon his allies as he's done with Asuna on several occasions, as well as Setsuna a few times. So the option is there).

He can't forcefully summon them against their will. Alucard can. That's the difference.

FinalAnswer
Then why did it affect Alucard? If it only affected Schrodinger, only Schrodinger should have become nothing.

Because Schrodinger was actually inside Alucard at the time. Like a nail pinning him in, holding him 'no-where'.

He couldn't manifest Schrodinger's powers to control them, and as long as one soul in his soul bank was stuck no-where, so was the rest of him.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He can't forcefully summon them against their will. Alucard can. That's the difference.

But for Evangeline, they have a puppet contract instead of a partner contract, and are puppets or robots programmed for 100% loyalty. They have no choice in the matter, they'll always obey.

First of all, that's not even true, as Chachamaru was released from being forced to obey orders at the end of the Chao arc, and it's even confirmed that she has a soul now. Second of all, it's irrelevant. If I have an army that will always obey me, do I get my army in a fight by default if someone just says "me vs. X"?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
First of all, that's not even true, as Chachamaru was released from being forced to obey orders at the end of the Chao arc, and it's even confirmed that she has a soul now. Second of all, it's irrelevant. If I have an army that will always obey me, do I get my army in a fight by default if someone just says "me vs. X"?

If you can summon them at will due to a puppet contract, sure. And yea, Chachamaru- and pretty much only Chachamaru, has free will as-of late, but she's still totally loyal and still has a puppet contract with Eva, as she mentioned right before pacto-ing Negi. We do see that Eva brought Chachamaru all the way from Tokyo to Kyoto for the Fate fight too.

Really, there's nothing stopping Eva from summoning her army when Alucard hasn't released his either, since it is after all one of her major abilities, one of the primary reasons she's feared across the magic world. I just wanted to discuss the scenarios with some symmetry, because otherwise there's no reason for *both* of them to not bust out their armies in scenario one.

Call it orders- either both get told "No armies" by Integra and the Thousand Master beforehand, or both get told "bring 'em out".

It is purely to make the thread more interesting.

Originally posted by Q99
Because Schrodinger was actually inside Alucard at the time. Like a nail pinning him in, holding him 'no-where'.

But why?

Alucard's army comes from inside him. That is the difference.