Alucard vs Dark Evangeline

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
But why?

Let's say there's a piece of food that can't move. And let's say that food is in China. Once you eat it, you'll be stuck in China until you get it out of you or you can figure out how to make it move.

Because it was inside him, it's location limited where he could be. Because he had no control, that meant no-where. Once he got rid of all the other souls, he gained control and was able to use it's abilities to move.

EndlessMike
Alucard's army comes from inside him. That is the difference.

And Eva can summon the puppets she made easier than Alucard can release his army. Nothing in the first post says it matters whether their armies are external or not- they have their guns and wires and hats and all that too.

Yea, there's a difference in source of the armies, but it doesn't matter. It's solo vs solo and army vs army because it's more fun that way and because Integra has denied him permission to use it in the solo fight.

The point is it's not standard equipment

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The point is it's not standard equipment

Sure it is, it's why she's the "Puppet Mistress," feared throughout the magic world, and pretty much no-one who has one goes without their contracts.

When training Negi, she'd almost always have Chachamaru and Chachazero, when she came to Kyoto she brought Chachamaru with her hundreds of miles away. She didn't in the tournament, but that was a one-on-one tournament. She brings puppets even when she didn't need them.

And also she's *allowed* to summon, nothing in scenario 2 say "but only standard equipment." It says armies. It's explicitly allowed for one to bring their army, however they happen to have one, if the other person does, period.

Chachamaru isn't forced to obey her any longer

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Chachamaru isn't forced to obey her any longer

I don't think Alucard's going to talk her into switching sides.

To make it clear: Armies are explicitly allowed to be called to fight armies. Period. Internal or external, if they've been eaten by Alucard or have a puppet contract, they can be used.

Only if the characters can be controlled directly, as an extension of the combatant's own being. Eva's army doesn't qualify.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Only if the characters can be controlled directly, as an extension of the combatant's own being. Eva's army doesn't qualify.

Since when?

"B) Alucard can release his familiars, but Evangeline gets her puppets and robots, including Chachamaru and her sisters."

You're arguing restrictions that aren't there.

I was talking about the first scenario

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I was talking about the first scenario

"A) No familiars or puppets"?

I think familiars should be allowed as they are a natural part of his powerset instead of something external.

That you think that has been noted. Nothing in the scenario is about internal vs external power though.

His guns are external, and he gets them in scenario one because he uses them in his sealed state. His familiars are internal, and he doesn't because they're only released for massive foes. Evangeline's puppers are external but they're part of her power set she uses much more often than Alucard releases everyone he's eaten, and the ability to summon them is internal.

In short, internal vs external doesn't matter for the course of the scenario, stop arguing about them.

Originally posted by Q99
Let's say there's a piece of food that can't move. And let's say that food is in China. Once you eat it, you'll be stuck in China until you get it out of you or you can figure out how to make it move.

Because it was inside him, it's location limited where he could be. Because he had no control, that meant no-where. Once he got rid of all the other souls, he gained control and was able to use it's abilities to move.

K, though dun't understand how Alucard could use Quantum Reality Manipulation without summoning Schrodinger.

Also realize he can still spam TK and litninz

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
K, though dun't understand how Alucard could use Quantum Reality Manipulation without summoning Schrodinger.

He couldn't, that was the problem. Schrodinger in his soul bank was still full of quantum weirdness even though he had no control and couldn't call Schrodinger out.

Stuff when not summoned is still inside the vampire after all.

Also realize he can still spam TK and litninz

He can use all of his non-familiar based powers, yea.

Then how would Evangeline fare against Intangible Alucard spamming lightning and TK?

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Then how would Evangeline fare against Intangible Alucard spamming lightning and TK?

One, his TK isn't exactly his most effective combat ability, his melee is what he relies on against powerful foes (and when does he use lightning?).

Two, he can't die, he's invincible in that form. So he'd win sooner or later for sure unless he has some weakness I don't know about.

Not true. He used TK to essentially disentegrate Nail Anderson's thorns.

Alucard = Bram Stoker's Dracula. Dracula can control the weather to create rain, mist, lightning, ect. Alucard displayed identical weather control when he covered Dover in mist.

Powerful Holy magic and attacks might be able to harm him, even while intangible. I doubt it, but, does Evangeline have holy power? (Would need to be atleast on the level of Jesus Christ to work)

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Not true. He used TK to essentially disentegrate Nail Anderson's thorns.

He used it, yea, but for the kill he almost always does the 'hand of death' or bite. I think he can focus more magic into his body directly.

Alucard = Bram Stoker's Dracula. Dracula can control the weather to create rain, mist, lightning, ect. Alucard displayed identical weather control when he covered Dover in mist.

Ok, but it's not exactly his primary form of attack. Anyway, her past opponents have used lightning and she can do some herself, so it's manageable in any case.

Powerful Holy magic and attacks might be able to harm him, even while intangible. I doubt it, but, does Evangeline have holy power? (Would need to be atleast on the level of Jesus Christ to work)

Hah, quite the opposite 🙂

Her specialities are Dark magic, Ice magic, Puppetry and mind control, and absorbing magic into herself.

Unless she can win simply by killing, she's screwed. Since I doubt Alucard's mind is weak enough to take out that way (one of her attacks is to trap an opponent inside an illusion and fight them until their mind gives out, but with enough willpower the target can break free).

Originally posted by Q99
He used it, yea, but for the kill he almost always does the 'hand of death' or bite. I think he can focus more magic into his body directly.

Ok, but it's not exactly his primary form of attack. Anyway, her past opponents have used lightning and she can do some herself, so it's manageable in any case.

Hah, quite the opposite 🙂

Her specialities are Dark magic, Ice magic, Puppetry and mind control, and absorbing magic into herself.

Unless she can win simply by killing, she's screwed. Since I doubt Alucard's mind is weak enough to take out that way (one of her attacks is to trap an opponent inside an illusion and fight them until their mind gives out, but with enough willpower the target can break free).

That's because it's moar epic 😛

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Alucard himself is proficient with mind attacks, his Third Eye can break illusions, and also, Seras displayed that having atleast one other soul in you makes you nigh-invulnerable to mind attacks, as Zorin Blitz was unable to attack Seras' mind because it was mixed with Pip's. Though Alucard destroyed all his souls, he still has Schrodinger's, meaning he has Schrodinger's mind.

All versions include base-mode, in addition to TK and weather control and guns, I'll note he also has his shadow control/shadow hounds that he turns into.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer

Alucard himself is proficient with mind attacks, his Third Eye can break illusions, and also, Seras displayed that having atleast one other soul in you makes you nigh-invulnerable to mind attacks, as Zorin Blitz was unable to attack Seras' mind because it was mixed with Pip's. Though Alucard destroyed all his souls, he still has Schrodinger's, meaning he has Schrodinger's mind.

Yea, I figure either trying to mentally control the other is pretty pointless.

Even without Schrodinger, his own mind is a toughie.

In order to beat post-Schrodiner Alucard more than simple strength is needed. Someone like Carmen Sandiego would be better off.