Originally posted by Black bolt zScope of the power involved is different. One nullifies a tiny marble. The other nullifies AND RECREATES the entire Marvel Multiverse instantly. There's a difference in the power involved.
That is true.your point...the scope is the only thing that changed.
Consider this: Pretend you didn't know anything about the Abraxas story-arc and you only saw what the UN nullified before that story, e.g., Korvac, Quasar, Morg and Galactus (and not even those two). Somebody showed you a scan of the marble-sized sphere from Infinity War. Somebody then argues: "Hey, since the UN can nullify anything inside that marble-sized sphere, it can nullify and then RECREATE the entire Marvel Multiverse."
Do you know how you would reply? It'd be something like: "Are you stupid? Since when has the UN shown the power to destroy the entire Marvel Multiverse? They say it's powerful enough to destroy a universe, and that's arguable... but the entire Multiverse? Based on a marble-sized sphere? And even moreso, you think it can RECREATE the entire Multiverse? Since when has the UN recreated anything it nullified? Prove the UN has the power to do that otherwise you're argument is stupid."
Think about it. Or don't. Nullifying a tiny marble =/= nullifying AND RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse instantly. I can't dumb it down anymore than that.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0It requires a larger amount of power but only to increase the scope.I'm not sure about the recreating part but as for the destroying the power levels never vary.Therefore incomplete IG wtfpwned nullifier.
Scope of the power involved is different. One nullifies a tiny marble. The other nullifies AND RECREATES the entire Marvel Multiverse instantly. There's a difference in the power involved.Consider this: Pretend you didn't know anything about the Abraxas story-arc and you only saw what the UN nullified before that story, e.g., Korvac, Quasar, Morg and Galactus (and not even those two). Somebody showed you a scan of the marble-sized sphere from Infinity War. Somebody then argues: "Hey, since the UN can nullify anything inside that marble-sized sphere, it can nullify and then RECREATE the entire Marvel Multiverse."
Do you know how you would reply? It'd be something like: "Are you stupid? Since when has the UN shown the power to destroy the entire Marvel Multiverse? They say it's powerful enough to destroy a universe, and that's arguable... but the entire Multiverse? Based on a marble-sized sphere? And even moreso, you think it can RECREATE the entire Multiverse? Since when has the UN recreated anything it nullified? Prove the UN has the power to do that otherwise you're argument is stupid."
Think about it. Or don't. Nullifying a tiny marble =/= nullifying AND RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse instantly. I can't dumb it down anymore than that.
^ You're trying to make a false distinction and your argument essentially is: "It requires a larger amount of power, but the power was the same anyway." I'm not going to waste my time trying to pick apart an inane statement that contradicts itself.
An incomplete IG wtfpwned Quasar with the UN itself. So what? The UN doesn't grant protection to its users. In fact, it threatens its user. If you're suggesting that the only way the UN could be more powerful than the IG is if Quasar was immune to Magus' tampering then you're ready to acknowledge this: Maelstrom w/ Anomaly was greater than the IG because he was immune to an IG blast. Do you acknolwedge that?
Or you can just ask yourself the obvious, what takes more power? Nullifying a tiny marble or nullifying AND THEN RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse?
This isn't meant to be a trick question. And logic/common sense doesn't get warped/dicarded simply because we happen to be discussing Thanos and dem Infinity Nuts.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Nullfying the marble takes much less power than the multiverse.However the amount of damage/destruction done is the same no matter how large/small the scope is.
^ You're trying to make a false distinction and your argument essentially is: "It requires a larger amount of power, but the power was the same anyway." I'm not going to waste my time trying to pick apart an inane statement that contradicts itself.An incomplete IG wtfpwned Quasar with the UN itself. So what? The UN doesn't grant protection to its users. In fact, it threatens its user. If you're suggesting that the only way the UN could be more powerful than the IG is if Quasar was immune to Magus' tampering then you're ready to acknowledge this: Maelstrom w/ Anomaly was greater than the IG because he was immune to an IG blast. Do you acknolwedge that?
Or you can just ask yourself the obvious, what takes more power? Nullifying a tiny marble or nullifying AND THEN RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse?
This isn't meant to be a trick question. And logic/common sense doesn't get warped/dicarded simply because we happen to be discussing Thanos and dem Infinity Nuts.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Nullfying the marble takes much less power than the multiverse.However the amount of damage/destruction done is the same no matter how large/small the scope is.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I am relying on an actual comparison and stories which had them both in it to justify the ig's superior power.
So you're relying on a no limit fallacy to justify your erroneous use of a negative proof fallacy against me? Superb technique. 👆
Originally posted by Black bolt zHe can't. He will just keep typing the same response over and over again daring people but when it comes time to prove it he's posturing and nothing more.
ODG prove that the UN varies in power...it doesn't.
Originally posted by quanchi112An outdated story. Where Magus wtfpwned a marble-sized sphere and not a Multiverse destroying/RECREATING blast. You want to use an outdated story where Ironman wtfpwns the Infinity Nuts' power? By all means.
I am relying on an actual comparison and stories which had them both in it to justify the ig's superior power.He can't. He will just keep typing the same response over and over again daring people but when it comes time to prove it he's posturing and nothing more.
I did prove it. And Black bolt z does agree with me: "Nullfying the marble takes much less power than the multiverse." It was only a miscommunication between him and I. Sorry you can't come to grips with the fact that a marble-sized sphere is not as powerful as a blast that instantly nullifies AND RECREATES the entire Marvel Multiverse.
Originally posted by quanchi112Well he does have valid points.Don't act like he doesn't.But if you believe that IG>UN then nothing will change your mind.If you believe UN>IG then nothing will change your mind.Of course people will always try to get more people on their side.
He can't. He will just keep typing the same response over and over again daring people but when it comes time to prove it he's posturing and nothing more.
I did prove it. And Black bolt z does agree with me. It was a miscommunication between him and I.I'm sorry what did we agree on...?
Originally posted by Black bolt zThe ig was described as absolute power when Eternity sought for it. The ig would be a challenge for the Lt and I can't see the un making Lt even blink tbh.
Well he does have valid points.Don't act like he doesn't.But if you believe that IG>UN then nothing will change your mind.If you believe UN>IG then nothing will change your mind.Of course people will always try to get more people on their side.
Edit [b]I'm sorry what did we agree on...? [/B]
Originally posted by OneDumbG0What do you mean outdated? So a Hulk/Thor fight from thirty years ago is cast aside since Hulk just trashed him? Wow.
An outdated story. Where Magus wtfpwned a marble-sized sphere and not a Multiverse destroying/RECREATING blast. You want to use an outdated story where Ironman wtfpwns the Infinity Nuts' power? By all means.I did prove it. And Black bolt z does agree with me: "Nullfying the marble takes much less power than the multiverse." It was only a miscommunication between him and I. Sorry you can't come to grips with the fact that a marble-sized sphere is not as powerful as a blast that instantly nullifies AND RECREATES the entire Marvel Multiverse.
The un hasn't changed while the gems have.
The power level doesn't vary is the point.
Originally posted by quanchi112When Hulk reveals he has the power to trash the Multiverse and then recreate it, yes a fight from 30 years ago with Thor would be outdated.
The ig was described as absolute power when Eternity sought for it. The ig would be a challenge for the Lt and I can't see the un making Lt even blink tbh. What do you mean outdated? So a Hulk/Thor fight from thirty years ago is cast aside since Hulk just trashed him? Wow.The un hasn't changed while the gems have.
The power level doesn't vary is the point.
It did happen a week or more ago, but we already deconstructed and utterly dismissed your whole, "the Gems changed" garbage. Nobody bought it.
Your made-up point that completely belies any logic such that you think nullifying a marble requires as much power as nullifying AND RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse? That made-up point which discards all logic just because the thread involves Thanos and his Infinity Nuts? Logic doesn't stop just because they're involved. Stop hugging dem nuts. Stop hugging dem Infinity Nuts.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0So you ignore other examples yet again because your logic is terrible to be frank.
When Hulk reveals he has the power to trash the Multiverse and then recreate it, yes a fight from 30 years ago with Thor would be outdated.It did happen a week or more ago, but we already deconstructed and utterly dismissed your whole, "the Gems changed" garbage. Nobody bought it.
Your made-up point that completely belies any logic such that you think nullifying a marble requires as much power as nullifying AND RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse? That made-up point which discards all logic just because the thread involves Thanos and his Infinity Nuts? Logic doesn't stop just because they're involved. Stop hugging dem nuts. Stop hugging dem Infinity Nuts.
The gems power and purpose changed to the point it made you supreme being in 616. The un can still blow stuff up.
the same old tired statement with no proof to back it up. Keep chirping.
Originally posted by quanchi112The gems power and purpose never changed.Just the way they were used.ODG is right on that.
So you ignore other examples yet again because your logic is terrible to be frank.The gems power and purpose changed to the point it made you supreme being in 616. The un can still blow stuff up.
the same old tired statement with no proof to back it up. Keep chirping.
^ I don't ignore outdated stories. I understand they happened. I also understand that new events occur that change the dynamic. If Hulk reveals he has the strength to thunderclap the Multiverse dead, that changes the dynamic between Hulk and Thor. This isn't a difficult concept.
The Infinity Nuts' power didn't change, nor did their purpose. The only thing that changed was how their user's used dem Nuts. Your lies and quaneuvers on this tangent were revealed several pages ago. Keep up.
There's a difference between nullifying a marble and nullifying AND RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse. It's not my fault you continue to pretend like there's no difference.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Hulk just revelaed he can get angry enough to dominate Thor so iyo toss the other fights aside as we have seen his true strength. Ig is absolute power the un isn't.
^ I don't ignore outdated stories. I understand they happened. I also understand that new events occur that change the dynamic. If Hulk reveals he has the strength to thunderclap the Multiverse dead, that changes the dynamic between Hulk and Thor. This isn't a difficult concept.The Infinity Nuts' power didn't change, nor did their purpose. The only thing that changed was how their user's used dem Nuts. Your lies and quaneuvers on this tangent were revealed several pages ago. Keep up.
There's a difference between nullifying a marble and nullifying AND RECREATING the entire Marvel Multiverse. It's not my fault you continue to pretend like there's no difference.
Originally posted by Black bolt zTheir powers were revealed to have complete mastery over time, etc.
Fine explain [b]in detail how their power and purpose changed. [/B]
This made you become supreme being on panel when used.