HOM Wanda vs. Thanos w/ IG

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thank you for clearly laying out those scans to support my point. As you can see by the order youve laid them out in, the wave hits otherworld and then you see realities collapsing into Otherworld. Roma is then shown fighting against the collapsing structure around her. Not against the wave itself.

That seems quite clear to me.

Just read it. Claremont and Davis quite depicted the Chaos Wave as a wave sweeping from left to right. This is just plain presentation of the comics at this point.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I have no hatred for non Phoenix female characters. My fave character is actually Storm and i've created a Respect She Hulk thread my friend. What i do not like is the hyping up of other characters due to misinterpretation of Marvel sources. A thorough unbiased read is all thats required

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Don't straw-man my rebuttal. We all know you're trying to suggest that it was the 616 reality warp that eventually led to everything. What you have to recognize and it's been staring you straight in the face -- is that no 616 reality warp ever had these disastrous consequences.

There is no explanation for the difference other than HOM Wanda's power to disrupt causality is that potent OR that HOM Wanda's power is just that gargantuan.

Next time, think.

Already been handled quite effectively in a previous post of mine. Youre quite headstrong arent you? 🙂

There is no confirmation of why, its just speculation so leave it at that. Dont present your unsupported assertions here as if they mean anything or should be given serious consideration. And please dont tell me there is no other explanation when i have given you an equally feasible one, she was inexperienced and out of control. Simples 🙂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It affected the Marvel Omniverse simultaneously. On-panel. I don't even know how you're even justifying trying to downplay its power. Is this a surreptitious attempt to provide qualification for downplaying Meggan's power?

Yeah. I guess so. Keep trying to avoid what Meggan did. Your quaneuvers over low-balling Meggan as a sub-herald character were idiotic from the start.

Get over the fact that I threw it back in your face.

It never affected the Marvel omniverse simultaneously. Not directly and not out of its own power. Thats like me saying Dweller in the Darkness destroyed the Marvel multiverse and attributing the feat to him directly and as a result of his own power when in fact he triggered it by tampering with a primary intersection of reality the M'kraan crystal 🙂

The Chaos Wave collided with Otherworld and in the same issue the comic makes the clear point of marking out Otherworld as a place where all realities are fundamentally connected. So by hitting this keystone of reality, the wave indirectly caused the collapse of many realities into one another. So your statement that the wave directly and simultaneously did the deed is conclusively incorrect.

Fall back and reassess the shambles that is your argument 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Already been handled quite effectively in a previous post of mine. Youre quite headstrong arent you?

There is no confirmation of why, its just speculation so leave it at that. Dont present your unsupported assertions here as if they mean anything or should be given serious consideration. And please dont tell me there is no other explanation when i have given you an equally feasible one, she was inexperienced and out of control. Simples

Knock it off with the "confirmation" bit. This isn't meant to be hard or difficult or requiring citations from handbooks. 616 reality warps =/= omniversal upheaval. HOM Wanda's 616 reality = omniversal sh1tstorm. Her "lack of experience" or "out of control" nature doesn't change what happened. And nobody's arguing that she's experienced, if she was in control. Stop devolving back into your original straw-mans after they've already been dispelled.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It never affected the Marvel omniverse simultaneously. Not directly and not out of its own power. Thats like me saying Dweller in the Darkness destroyed the Marvel multiverse and attributing the feat to him directly and as a result of his own power when in fact he triggered it by tampering with a primary intersection of reality the M'kraan crystal

The Chaos Wave collided with Otherworld and in the same issue the comic make the clear point of marking out Otherworld as a place where all realities are fundamentally connected t. So by hitting this keystone of reality, the wave indirectly caused the collapse of many realities into one another. So your statement that the wave directly and simultaneously did the deed is conclusively incorrect.

Fall back and reassess the shambles that is your argument

And there's a reason why no 616 reality warp has ever destroyed Otherworld. Uh duh.

Get over yourself.

Knock it off with the confirmation bit? If youre acknowledging that your question has no confirmed answer and that any answer put forward is just an exercise in speculation as we both no it is then leave it at that. We dont need to go back and forth on the point because it means absolutely nothing. Your one point that you seem to be priding yourself on bringing up is unfortunately inconsequential and has no bearing on the most severe dissection and dismissal your entire argument has received 🙁

And with your 2nd paragraph you admit that the destruction across the multiverse was a result of the wave colliding with Otherworld and Otherworlds nature meaning other realities connected to it were automatically affected. Im glad you are accepting of this Chaos Wave downgrade however defiant your acceptance might be.

I'm happy with this result.

I enjoyed myself. Did you? 🙂

Wow. Almost forgot. 😖hifty:

Thanos wins 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Knock it off with the confirmation bit? If youre acknowledging that your question has no confirmed answer and that any answer put forward is just an exercise in speculation as we both no it is then leave it at that. We dont need to go back and forth on the point because it means absolutely nothing. Youre one pojnt that you seem to be priding yourself on bringing up is unfortunately inconsequential and has no bearing on the most severe dissection and dismissal your entire argument has received

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And with your 2nd paragraph you admit that the destruction across the multiverse was a result of the wave colliding with Otherworld and Otherworlds nature meaning other realities connected to it were automatically affected. Im glad you are accepting of this Chaos Wave downgrade however defiant your acceptance might be.

I'm happy with this result.

I enjoyed myself. Did you?

You're happy that you're still cowering in fright over the plain difference between every other 616 reality warp and HOM Wanda's 616 reality warp?

As much as I do when I argue with any other poster who projects himself onto me and acts like the shoe's on the other foot.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This is quanchi-lite. It's not inconsequential that dozens upon dozens of 616 reality warps =/= omniversal upheaval and HOM Wanda's 616 reality warp = omniversal sh1tstorm. Keep deflecting.

And yet the reasons it did so arent confirmed or explained so any speculation you come up with has no bearing on this debate because it has no basis in fact. So do you know what that means? 😖hifty:

INCONSEQUENTIAL 😱

Heres a useful link i think you may want to reference each time you debate with me-

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/supposition

🙂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Great. Now you're resorting to putting words in my mouth. The destruction across the multiverse was caused by HOM Wanda's distortion of causality. It wasn't localized. It actually expanded beyond into Otherworld and the omniverse simultaneously was distorted via the same stripping of causality and all boundaries. That's the distinction of Wanda's power that makes it different from every other 616 reality warp. Wanda disrupts causality to do what she does. It's not a simple disruption or manipulation of space/time. And that's why it did what it did simultaneously across the entire Marvel Omniverse.

You're happy that you're still cowering in fright over the plain difference between every other 616 reality warp and HOM Wanda's reality warp?

As much as I do when I argue with any other poster who projects himself onto me and acts like the shoe's on the other foot.

As for this rubbish. Dear oh dear. death

Can you please tell me where the retcon took place that made it so that Wandas warp reached across and stripped all causality boundaries within the multiverse as opposed to doing so within Otherworld inadvertently affecting all the realities Otherworld is connected to? 😕

Fall back son. The point was made explicitly in the issue, the nature of Otherworld was defined clearly, its place and significance in the multiversal structure detailed as the Chaos Wave collided with it.

Your speculation has no place here. Please refrain from posting it 🙂

I'm going to retire now. Theres nothing new you can bring to this debate to necessitate any further typing from me.

Good day to you 🙂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
OBVIOUS IRONY IS IRONY.

what?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And yet the reasons it did so arent confirmed or explained so any speculation you come up with has no bearing on this debate because it has no basis in fact. So do you know what that means?

INCONSEQUENTIAL

Heres a useful link i think you may want to reference each time you debate with me-

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/supposition

You wish to characterize that difference as inconsequential. That's just you being obtuse. You now wish to characterize the fact there is a difference as pure supposition. That's just you being an idiot.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As for this rubbish. Dear oh dear.

Can you please tell me where the retcon took place that made it so that Wandas warp reached across and stripped all causality boundaries within the multiverse as opposed to doing so within Otherworld inadvertently affecting all the realities Otherworld is connected to?

Fall back son. The point was made explicitly in the issue, the nature of Otherworld was defined clearly, its place and significance in the multiversal structure detailed as the Chaos Wave collided with it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your speculation has no place here. Please refrain from posting it

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Meggan curbstomped the "all powerful" Chaos Wave

Meggan after absorbing the power of:

616 Earth

&

Otherworld (a magical universe that houses the omniversal nexus)

And the Pan-Dimensional Beyond: (something ONLY Meggan was able to do)
Imo, this is the power of the Beyonders.

"Only She can claim the Pan-Dimensional Power of the Beyond for her own ...
... Knows that by her side, ALL things are possible"

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** "until she sees what she's up against" ** 🙂

Still, she was only able to give the Chaos Wave pause for a moment:

So, stating that Meggan stomped,
let alone "curbstomped" anything is laughable to say the least.

As for the Wanda hating:

Yip yap yoop ...

It was Wanda (with a thought)
that put the Omniverse back in place after her power tore it to pieces:

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it

After a time, it put everything back the way it was"

swank

Wanda was like unto GOD in this arc!