HOM Wanda vs. Thanos w/ IG

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're straw-manning me and misrepresenting me by suggesting I equate power = size. I don't.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I already explained that I don't believe power = size.

And exactly how am I (or you) destroying my argument that the UN's sheer power > IG's sheer power when we both agree that is the case? And exactly how are you avoiding a double-standard for relying on Magus' wtfpwning of a marble-sized sphere, while dismissing Maelstrom's wtfpwning of a IG blast? You can't have it both ways, buddy.

When did I say I dismissed maelstrom?
If your not contridicting then explain how multiverse blast has a high potency then a marble sized blast.
Yes we agree on the sheer power but in a fight IG wins due to versitility.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
When did I say I dismissed maelstrom?

If your not contridicting then explain how multiverse blast has a high [b]potency then a marble sized blast.

Yes we agree on the sheer power but in a fight IG wins due to versitility. [/B]

I'm not going to equivocate over your use of the word, "potency." You already agree that the multiverse destruction/recreation blast was exponentially more powerful than the marble-sized sphere. And that's that. Whether you feel the need to struggle between your own colloquial definitions of "potency" and "power" is your own conundrum.

Yes, because a 1,001 function plastic robot clearly withstands a nuke falling on it's head due to sheer versatility.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So you think Maelstrom >>>>> Thanos w/ IG based on him being immune to that one blast?

I'm not going to equivocate over your use of the word, "potency." You already agree that the multiverse destruction/recreation blast was exponentially more powerful than the marble-sized sphere. And that's that. Whether you feel the need to struggle between your own colloquial definitions of "potency" and "power" is your own conundrum.

Yes, because a 1,001 function plastic robot clearly withstands a nuke falling on it's head due to sheer versatility.

^ False distinction. There was exponentially more power to deal with, but the blast wasn't as potent... ? How does that change the fact that Magus dealt with an exponentially weaker obstacle than Thanos w/ IG might have to?

The damage/destruction level varies because a marble-sized sphere nullifies a marble and a Multiverse-wide destruction/recreation blast destroys and recreates a Multiverse. And you don't get this? I couldn't care less how you're twisting the word "potency" here, as if it somehow dehabilitated my argument. It does not. You agree that the UN > IG in sheer power. You agree that the marble-sized sphere is exponentially less powerful than a Multiverse-destroying/recreating blast. That's enough.

However you justify suggesting that it's ok to use Magus wtfpwning an exponentially less powerful manifestation of the UN's true power, while dismissing Maelstrom wtfpwning an exponentially less powerful manifestation of the IG's true power or while dismissing Ironman's repulsors wtfpwning an exponentially less powerful manifestation of the IG's true power is your problem, not mine. It's your double-standard, not mine. It's your hollow argument, not mine.

Simply inserting the word "potency" here, and twisting its meaning, doesn't serve to rehabilitate your hypocrisies. And I'm ok with that.

You just won't answer the question will you?Prove the UN varies in potency/damage/level of destruction/however you want to word it and no just scope.You can't.It doesn't exist.So when incomplete IG wtfpwned UN that WAS it's true power.

^ I don't even comprehend how you're using the word, "potency." Because we both agree that the level of power between the marble-size sphere and the Multiverse-blast is exponentially greater. It's fairly evident that the level of damage was exponentially greater between a marble getting nullified and the Multiverse getting nullified. You also have to consider that the "x element" is exponentially greater because one nullified a marble and the other didn't just nullify -- IT ALSO RECREATED -- a whole comic company's Multiverse.

Whether it's purposeful or not, all this amounts to: is a transparent manufacturing of a false distinction, via your ambiguous use of the word "potency," to somehow cover up your double-standard. However you're defining "potency" to yourself or to me, doesn't change the fact that you're justifying reliance on Magus wtfpwning a miniscule manifestation of the UN's true power, while dismissing Maelstrom wtfpwning a miniscule manifestation of the IG's true power.

And to me, that's what it boils down to. Frankly, I couldn't care less how you justify that double-standard to yourself. But I won't sit here and wave a white flag on my argument that doesn't require a double-standard simply because I have no idea how you're distinguishing "potency" from "power" or "cause" or "destruction level" or damage."

One nullifies a marble. The other nullifies AND RECREATES a Multiverse. A pedantic definition of "potency" somehow changes this fairly obvious comparison?

Not really. 😬

Heres how I'm trying to use potency:when a marble is nullified vs. a multiverse nullified the scope changes.The potency doesn't.It the larger the scope doesn;t make it any more or less nullified.It still gets nullified.The potency doesn't change so the blast that quasar used wouldn't have any more or less nullified then when reed did it.
So that means that when incomplete IG wtfpwned the UN it proves the overall IG>UN.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Nullfying the marble takes much less power than the multiverse.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Therefore, the level of power that Thanos w/IG would hypothetically deal with when confronting a Multiverse-blast is exponentially more powerful than what Magus w/IG dealt with. This isn't hard. Throwing ambiguous definitions of "potency" at me doesn't change that.

^ No. Potency =/= size. Power =/= size. Exponentially greater power = exponentially greater power. You seem to think that an incomplete IG can wtfpwn a marble-sized sphere as easily as it can an instantaneous Multiverse-destroying/recreating blast.

That makes no sense. crackers

That's like saying Maelstrom can wtfpwn a single hand-blast as easily as he could a universe destroying full-power IG blast. 😐

W. T. F. 😬

Once again i'm not entirely sure about the recreating part.
Answer this question in detail:How does the UN vary in power?

Again there is ZERO proof either through narration or depiction that the nullification potency changes just because you nullify a larger area. Show me any scan that speaks or depicts this being the case. More energy to cover a larger area, is just that, more energy needed. That doesn't however make whatever is nullified in said area nullified more potently. This is basic logic. Your saying... ooo once the size is increased things within that are nullified to a greater degree.. wtf.. PROOF of this. Coupled that with there is no evidence it requires any more energy. I'm conceding that point because it's not worth arguing over. Point is... more energy is needed to cover more area.. cool.. things aren't nullified to a greater degree just because your increasing the area. The more energy goes towards covering a larger area.. not also going to doing so more potently.

Furthermore, M. Thor didn't do jack to Thanos with the IG.. all he did was tank a blast from Thanos for whatever reason. He didn't hurt or beat Thanos in any way. Now compare that with what Magus and the IG did to Quasar and the UN and they are totally different.

You've already conceded the UN didn't get an increase in power from one story to the next. It was always able to do destroy and recreate the multiverse, even when it confronted Magus. Thus what you can't get around and what Starlin laid out as clear as say is the direct narration letting us know which is more powerful... Quasar finds out the word ULTIMATE and little meaning in this matchup... with BUT A THOUGHT the IG turns the universe MOST POWERFUL weapon upon its user. It's simple and plain as day which is more powerful.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again there is ZERO proof either through narration or depiction that the nullification potency changes just because you nullify a larger area. Show me any scan that speaks or depicts this being the case. More energy to cover a larger area, is just that, more energy needed. That doesn't however make whatever is nullified in said area nullified more potently. This is basic logic. Your saying... ooo once the size is increased things within that are nullified to a greater degree.. wtf.. PROOF of this. Coupled that with there is no evidence it requires any more energy. I'm conceding that point because it's not worth arguing over. Point is... more energy is needed to cover more area.. cool.. things aren't nullified to a greater degree just because your increasing the area. The more energy goes towards covering a larger area.. not also going to doing so more potently.

Furthermore, M. Thor didn't do jack to Thanos with the IG.. all he did was tank a blast from Thanos for whatever reason. He didn't hurt or beat Thanos in any way. Now compare that with what Magus and the IG did to Quasar and the UN and they are totally different.

You've already conceded the UN didn't get an increase in power from one story to the next. It was always able to do destroy and recreate the multiverse, even when it confronted Magus. Thus what you can't get around and what Starlin laid out as clear as say is the direct narration letting us know which is more powerful... Quasar finds out the word ULTIMATE and little meaning in this matchup... with BUT A THOUGHT the IG turns the universe MOST POWERFUL weapon upon its user. It's simple and plain as day which is more powerful.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ No. Potency =/= size. Power =/= size. Exponentially greater power = exponentially greater power. You seem to think that an incomplete IG can wtfpwn a marble-sized sphere as easily as it can an instantaneous Multiverse-destroying/recreating blast.

That makes no sense. crackers

That's like saying Maelstrom can wtfpwn a single hand-blast as easily as he could a universe destroying full-power IG blast. 😐

W. T. F. 😬

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The question is whether you can fairly analogize "Hulk getting the better of Thor" to "the UN manifesting exponentially more power, such that instead of nullifying a marble, it nullifies AND RECREATES the Marvel Multiverse." Hulk getting the better of Thor is not an exponentially more powerful manifestation of his strength that utterly changes the dynamic between Hulk and Thor. Accordingly, your analogy attempt is woefully inadequate and transparently shallow.

Focus on this: UN destroys AND RECREATES the Marvel Multiverse instantly. The IG not so much. At all. kindaThat's the point. It was Thanos' lack of knowledge and concurrent inability to use them properly that changed. Not the Infinity Nuts' power or purpose.

Except not at all. 🙄

The writer changed how they worked and we saw Thanos wasn't aware of it because a writer chose to change how they functioned meaning their purpose changed while the un's remained the same.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
facepalm2 You just don't get it do you!It always was able to do those.It just wasn't known so they weren't used that way.Their powers didn't change one bit and neither did their purpose...[b]just the was they were used!Get it!!! What he said [/B]

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again there is ZERO proof either through narration or depiction that the nullification potency changes just because you nullify a larger area. Show me any scan that speaks or depicts this being the case. More energy to cover a larger area, is just that, more energy needed. That doesn't however make whatever is nullified in said area nullified more potently. This is basic logic. Your saying... ooo once the size is increased things within that are nullified to a greater degree.. wtf.. PROOF of this. Coupled that with there is no evidence it requires any more energy. I'm conceding that point because it's not worth arguing over. Point is... more energy is needed to cover more area.. cool.. things aren't nullified to a greater degree just because your increasing the area. The more energy goes towards covering a larger area.. not also going to doing so more potently.

Furthermore, M. Thor didn't do jack to Thanos with the IG.. all he did was tank a blast from Thanos for whatever reason. He didn't hurt or beat Thanos in any way. Now compare that with what Magus and the IG did to Quasar and the UN and they are totally different.

You've already conceded the UN didn't get an increase in power from one story to the next. It was always able to do destroy and recreate the multiverse, even when it confronted Magus. Thus what you can't get around and what Starlin laid out as clear as say is the direct narration letting us know which is more powerful... Quasar finds out the word ULTIMATE and little meaning in this matchup... with BUT A THOUGHT the IG turns the universe MOST POWERFUL weapon upon its user. It's simple and plain as day which is more powerful.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Once again i'm not entirely sure about the recreating part.
Answer this question in detail:How does the UN vary in power?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Nullfying the marble takes much less power than the multiverse.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again there is ZERO proof either through narration or depiction that the nullification potency changes just because you nullify a larger area. Show me any scan that speaks or depicts this being the case. More energy to cover a larger area, is just that, more energy needed. That doesn't however make whatever is nullified in said area nullified more potently. This is basic logic. Your saying... ooo once the size is increased things within that are nullified to a greater degree.. wtf.. PROOF of this.

And just how many times are you going to keep wishing that you can simply recast my argument as if it were some shallow statement that power = size? crackers

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Furthermore, M. Thor didn't do jack to Thanos with the IG.. all he did was tank a blast from Thanos for whatever reason. He didn't hurt or beat Thanos in any way. Now compare that with what Magus and the IG did to Quasar and the UN and they are totally different.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You've already conceded the UN didn't get an increase in power from one story to the next. It was always able to do destroy and recreate the multiverse, even when it confronted Magus. Thus what you can't get around and what Starlin laid out as clear as say is the direct narration letting us know which is more powerful... Quasar finds out the word ULTIMATE and little meaning in this matchup... with BUT A THOUGHT the IG turns the universe MOST POWERFUL weapon upon its user. It's simple and plain as day which is more powerful.

I mean... this isn't even the only argument I have for utterly deconstructing your shallow reliance on Magus wtfpwning a marble-sized nullification sphere. But I thought this debate was done once I managed to corner you all into essentially realizing that, for your logic to hold true, you'd have to believe that nullifying a marble = nullifying AND RECREATING the Marvel Multiverse. I figured that once I put you into such an untenable position, you'd give up. But no! You embrace it completely like it actually proves your argument is logical! W. T. F.

Nullifying a marble =/= instantly nullifying AND THEN INSTANTLY RECREATING the Marvel Multiverse. How much more obvious do I need to make this? shocklaugh

Originally posted by quanchi112
It can manipulate the energies no matter the size. The size of the blast doesn't matter to the ig as it manipulates the very energies no matter how big or small.

You don't get to use no-limit fallacies whenever you don't want to lose an argument. Once you start relying on no-limit fallacies to justify your position, that means you've already lost. laughcry

Originally posted by quanchi112
You seem to ignore what my point is while insisting a feat somehow changes how it relates in comparison to something else which was out of the loeb written story. The un was always capable of destroying the universe and even though it destroyed the multi that doesn't change it's overall power level in my mind. It's a nice feat but in comparison to the ig it still falls short.

The writer changed how they worked and we saw Thanos wasn't aware of it because a writer chose to change how they functioned meaning their purpose changed while the un's remained the same.

Inanity doesn't prevail simply because you cannot admit that Thanos w/ IG is utterly outclassed. Get over it. kinda

Dem Infinity Nuts didn't inherently change anymore than the UN inherently changed. And if you keep acting like Thanos' more adept use of the Gems meant the Infinity Nuts didn't remain the same, then the UN's function did not "remain the same" since it was never hinted that it could instantly destroy an entire Multiverse AND THEN INSTANTLY RECREATE IT.

facepalm

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So manipulating a marble = manipulating a Multiverse blast? On what planet do you derive this logic? Planet R-Tard? belch

You don't get to use no-limit fallacies whenever you don't want to lose an argument. Once you start relying on no-limit fallacies to justify your position, that means you've already lost. laughcry Who cares about Loeb? There's an exponential difference between possibly destroying a universe and instantly destroying and THEN INSTANTLY RECREATING the Marvel Multiverse. How do use an outdated story where someone managed to overcome a marble-sized sphere and act like they're the same? That's like Spiderman turning around and one-shotting Juggernaut with his pinky and then arguing that Venom used to be able to deal with him, so he'd likely deal with Spidey still.

Inanity doesn't prevail simply because you cannot admit that Thanos w/ IG is utterly outclassed. Get over it. kinda

Dem Infinity Nuts didn't inherently change anymore than the UN inherently changed. And if you keep acting like Thanos' more adept use of the Gems meant the Infinity Nuts didn't remain the same, then the UN's function did not "remain the same" since it was never hinted that it could instantly destroy an entire Multiverse AND THEN INSTANTLY RECREATE IT.

facepalm

Absolute power and the word ultimate mean very little when discussing the ig.

Here we go with an outdated story excuse. You have to prove the un's power has changed. If you don't then you literally have no case. Too late.

Their powers changed while the un's haven't. Feel the burn.

^ Yes, Magus arguably manipulated a marble-sized sphere of nullification energy. That doesn't translate into him manipulating a Multiverse nullifying AND RECREATING blast. If that's too hard for you to comprehend, think of Human Torch with a matchstick and Human Torch with a Sun.

Logic, consistency and updated facts mean very little when discussing the ig apparently. crackers

I don't have to prove the UN's own power changed. I just have to point at the fact that Magus only dealt with an infinitesmally miniscule manifestation of the UN's true power. He dealt with a marble-sized sphere, not a Multiverse-destroying/recreating blast. Think.

Dem Infinity Nuts never changed. Their power never changed, their purpose never changed, their powers never changed. The only thing that changed was how they were used. The same way the only thing that changed with the UN was how it was used.

How can you possibly pretend otherwise? kinda

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yes, Magus arguably manipulated a marble-sized sphere of nullification energy. That doesn't translate into him manipulating a Multiverse nullifying AND RECREATING blast. If that's too hard for you to comprehend, think of Human Torch with a matchstick and Human Torch with a Sun.

Logic, consistency and updated facts mean very little when discussing the ig apparently. crackers

I don't have to prove the UN's own power changed. I just have to point at the fact that Magus only dealt with an infinitesmally miniscule manifestation of the UN's true power. He dealt with a marble-sized sphere, not a Multiverse-destroying/recreating blast. Think.

Dem Infinity Nuts never changed. Their power never changed, their purpose never changed, their powers never changed. The only thing that changed was how they were used. The same way the only thing that changed with the UN was how it was used.

How can you possibly pretend otherwise? kinda

You ignore things while I don't. You say outdated simply because you realize you don't have a legit argument.

Magus was also minus the reality gem and still did so.
Yes, dey did. Un stayed der same.