Originally posted by avatarestIt's common sense and I don't have the link. WW Hulk matched him in strength and easily bfr'd him.
first of all show me a proof of the writer stating that they were equal in that clintchits funny how every single time someone show you something you dont like you are bringing some statement on some forum from someone ... the on pannel fight shows you that hulk was pushed back by juggernaut which basically stated that juggernaut is slightly stronger then WWH but you dont like it so you are trying to argue that.. only you got nothing to back you up
so you are saying hulk won? lets see they were slugging it out ending with juggernaut besting hulk and steping on his head making him eat some dirt , thentheyclintch and push each other causing juggernaut to slightly push hulk back showing he is stronger... and then hulk is stating he doesnt have the time to fight juggernaut so he steps to the side and let juggernaut continue his momentum? and thats what you call a win? he didnt even bfr juggernaut because juggernaut bfr himself out of the fight and you say hulk won? its interesting how in the first place hulk was fighting juggernaut but when he saw he is losing suddenly he "didnt have the time " to fight juggernaut ... he sure had the time to fight the entire x-men instead of just attacking xavier and getting done with that but he didnt want to fight 1 guy? GTFO juggernaut owned him and made hulk look like a hypocrite
Originally posted by SamZEDHulk crushed his helmet and his blows on the Hulk were about as effective as the two mutant teams blows were. Actually less effective as we have seen the Hulk bleed countless times but with his increased rage and healing factor it's like insignificant damage.
Please read what I post. His PUNCHES would make about as much damage as if it was Luke Cagr punching. He can punch all day with Juggernaut easilly taking them, the ame cant be said about Hulk. He'll go down, and you arguing that is ridiculous.
When it comes to ignoring facts and taking into account only what suits your argument im an amature compared to you. You can whine about increasing power all day, Juggernaut is as strong as he needs to be. Fact remains - he was shown to be superior to WWH in strength, something you fail to grasp. Talk about ignoring stuff.
Excuses. Off-pannel or not doesnt matter. And its only not recognised by you because you dont like it. And its not the only example. I just dont see you supporting Venom in a vs Supermna thread.
Im not upset im rofling at you refusing to admit PIS. You aknowledge that Hulk loses to strange but have no problem with WWH story and make up excuses instead of simply admitting that it's poorly written. 🙄
I would like to see an interview of writer saying that they were equel. Even if it exists sounds like something he'd say not to offend Hulk fanboys because who was stronger is pretty clear in the book. Of Juggernaut overpowering as well as delivering a onesided beating with Hulk landing one hit that simply annoyed Juggernaut a little.
Now you're back from "equel" to "stronger" again eh? Seriously make up your mind, and the guy is talking about HIS opinion of Hulk's POTENTIAL strength. Which is great but nothing compared to on-pannel proof that Juggernaut is stronger than normal Hulk and a book with him displaying strength greater than WWHulk.
😂 No totally! Look at Hulk having the time of his life.
😂No problem.. 🙄 Juggernaut givving his best shot in depowered state only proves he's a fighter. Walking away is something a coward would do. And now after talking about how super awesome Hulk's healig factor is you tell me that he was tired and injured after the fight with X-men thus his fight with Juggernaut was totally unfair and he was at disadvantage. You're even controdicting yourself. It seems to me now that you see I proved that Hulk is inferior and you have nothing to disprove it with you're starting to make excuses for Hulk. Again shocking..
You said it's for some reason not possible and again failed to explain why. What a surprise.
Apperantly in your perfectly logical and unbiased world if Juggernaut didn't bfr Hulk it means Hulk is unBFRable lol Going by your logic if Spider-man has never been killed with a bullet in the head it proves he is immune to getting killed by a bullet in the head. 😆 Fact - Juggernaut has all it takes to bfr Hulk, got strength and speed needed for that. Fact[b].
How does it make it moot? Off panel or not we know for a fact that she beat him as was confirmed by the Watcher and nowhere does it say that its not recognised. And its not the only example I brought. So again, if you like something it's 100% well written story even if's clearly bs but if you don't like something it's PIS. You have a funny way of debating.
I have A BOOK written by Marvel, drawn by Marvel, colored by Marvel, edited by Marvel and published by Marvel that clearly shows Juggernaut to be physically superior to WW Hulk. So unless you're Stan Lee behind this nickname you can go play with a traffic. A link of one guy givving his personal humble opinion on the subject many years ago that could've chage 50 times for all you know means jack comparing to opinion presented by Marvel itself that btw supports MY view. Good luck cleaning the mud off your face by the way. 😉A "fool" as in everyone except you? 🙄 lol ok. Did it 10 times but will do it again. But I expect something in return.
I claimed:
claim 1) Juggernaut is cpapable of BFRing Hulk.
My proofs - Hulk weights under a ton. Juggernaut can lift over a 100 tons with ease. Thus he's physically capable of throwing a 1 ton weight to a great distance. And he's got a strength roughly on the same level as Hulk so it is well within his ability to do that. Thank you.
claim 2) Juggernaut can't be knocked out by Hulk.
My proof - Hulk was never able to even come close to knocking out the Juggernaut. Not normal Hulk nor WWH. And attacks far FAR more powerful than anything Hulk is capable of were taken by the Juggernaut without getting knocked out. Which leads me to believe that Hulk can't knock out the Juggernaut. Again, thank you.
claim 3) Juggernaut can knock out the Hulk.
My proof - Hulk is not unkoable. That's one. Juggernaut has koed Hulk before. That's two. Jugg's punches were equely useful against WW Hulk as they were useful against other version of the Hulk whom Juggernaut has koed and WW Hulk was just AS hurt by them as any other Hulk. that's four. And all that not only makes Juggernaut koing Hulk possible, but makes it a most definite outcome of the battle.
Class dismissed. I rest my case etc etcNow as said I expect something in return. So far you've made several claims.
Claim 1) Hulk can't possibly be BFRed by a being superior than him.
Claim 2) Hulk can't be knocked out and doesn't get hurt by Juggernaut's punches.
3) With his PHYSICAL attacks the Hulk can overcome the magic of Cytorak that makes Juggernaut unkillable and unKOable by PHYSICAL attacks.
Those are you claims, now you're gonna have to present proofs for each and every one of them even if you want anyone to take you seriously. Without changing the subject and without making excuses. Solid PROOFS ONLY. Not a POSSIBILITY of you SPECULATIONS being correct but SOLID PROOFS like I did it. Good luck with that, you're gonna need it "proving" such nonsense. [/B]
Not at all. Hulk isn't going down because he is getting stronger and eventually he can affect Juggs physically since he was already his equal when the met up.
No, they were viewed as dead equals. Juggs isn't as strong as he needs to be that's the most fanboyish thing I have heard in a while.
There are ridiculous examples and then there's hulk and juggs who are in the same weight class.
Why would I show you since you will ignore it anyways? Hmmmmm. You will say the writer stated this to appease hulk fans meaning I don't care what you show me I'll disregard it anyways.
It's not canon and it's off panel meaning it means nothing.
Yes, he said with rage involved he is stronger than Juggs while at ww hulk's base levels he was equal so if a bee stings his butthole he is stronger than juggs that easily.
I have always stated equal at base level strength as ww hulk but with any increased anger he far surpasses him. Yeah, Tom B agrees any old Hulk can become stronger with rage. Looks like I win yet again.
So knocking Hulk down equals beating him? Seriously? Do you have any idea of who the Hulk is.
It still means the odds were against him. As WW Hulk he can defeat Cain twice and two teams. That's how badass he was while juggs was just some idiot he had to go through two times to get to Prof. X.
I never said it was impossible but highly unlikely as Hulk has done so to Juggs. What showings did Juggs bfr someone to back up your claim? When has he punched people off of the planet?
Off panel means we don't know what happened so it holds little if any weight. It was a joke showing anyways and one that isn't taken seriously meaning it's not canon. This thread isn't about Thanos anyways so stick to the subject at hand.
No, we saw WW Hulk was his physical equal and that another guy from marvel stated any old Hulk can shoot past his strength with increased rage meaning I was right.
1) When has he bfr'd someone? So anyone with physical strength can bfr the Hulk at any tim like Herc? You really don't read comics at all do you? I need for you to prove it's in character for Juggs to do so mr. powerset wanna be arguer.
2)Because hulk didn't have the time to do so. His powers increase with rage so it's definitely a possibility unless you think juggs is impervious to all force and nothing can hurt him.
3)Everything that happened in the past is dead. Juggs didn't phsae WW Hulk so acting as if Juggs has ko'd weaker, dumber Hulks are proof of anything other than your bias think again. By that logic Hulk destroys him like he did the first time they fought when he was depowered since you seem to want to discuss weaker hulks I will discuss weaker juggs.
Originally posted by Omega VisionWas Hulk down? Do you really think the writer intended the reader to think the hulk is in trouble here?
Only Quan can look at a literal curb-stomp and see an even fight. 😂
Originally posted by r0nm0n88Hulk wins when he bfr's and his strength can hurt Juggs.
quan you mention hulk being stronger than juggs.
a fact i never disagreed with. it was the superior durability that makes me believe that juggs win. His FF and enchantment are to much for even hulk to over come. Hulk can bfr him but juggs can do that right back to hulk. so in the end i say juggs wins a majority
Originally posted by psycho gundam
a very minor part of what transpired.the glaring part is the utter pounding juggernaut got when his powers were reduced, not saying it would be the same as that but breaking the stalemate of strength would put juggernaut closer to that happening again.
No it wouldn't. Juggernaut was WAY reduced when they first fought. That was the same Juggernaut who apparently struggled to lift the same weight Colossus could lift.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
cause we all know hulk/juggernaut regularly threaten the eastern seaboard every time they do the hokey-pokey
So that = Hulk being so much more amped than he was when he fought Juggernaut? Anything else? Perhaps something more substantial?
You know, Juggernaut was causing magnitude 8 tremors with his punches and he wasn't even punching that hard, and this was Juggernaut at classic levels.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33So despite the fact WW Hulk wasn't causing anywhere near that damage and the fact the writer corroborated wb hulk to be hulk at extreme levels you don't accept it why?
So that = Hulk being so much more amped than he was when he fought Juggernaut? Anything else? Perhaps something more substantial?You know, Juggernaut was causing magnitude 8 tremors with his punches and he wasn't even punching that hard, and this was Juggernaut at classic levels.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33that step was not a concerted effort either, and it caused many magnitudes of damage greater than a meager category 8.
So that = Hulk being so much more amped than he was when he fought Juggernaut? Anything else? Perhaps something more substantial?You know, Juggernaut was causing magnitude 8 tremors with his punches and he wasn't even punching that hard, and this was Juggernaut at classic levels.
again, it was a footstep.
a stomp....... complete devastation
he was amped bro
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33You don't have to respond back to me at all. I just can't believe you would deny the very obvious fact wb hulk>>>ww hulk. It's common sense.
Quan, in a bid to help you stop looking stupid, I don't read your posts. I have you on ignore and in order for me to read your posts I have to open up a new window. Your responses aren't worth that much effort.
